Poll

How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

Author Topic: Tena Bar Money Find  (Read 1797174 times)

Offline Shutter

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9301
  • Thanked: 1027 times
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2445 on: December 17, 2016, 01:48:45 PM »
Quote
                                    It sounds like you need documentation that the local fisherman had been there every day for the last 50 years before I can believe your story.

Jo Weber claims she seen a ticket with Dan Cooper's name on it (zero proof to date)
Robert Blevins (1503) claims the case is closed due to Kenny being dead (zero proof)
Marla Cooper claims he lost the money over farmland (zero proof)

I can go on with dozens of "stories" the lack proof other than what someone told them, or they believe the story because of what's been told. you need actual proof to back a story. specially, if you were not there..
 

Offline Shutter

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9301
  • Thanked: 1027 times
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2446 on: December 17, 2016, 02:07:01 PM »
IMO, I sometimes see people tell stories that try and fill the empty void needed to resolve this case. most of the time, if not all of the time they lack any real proof behind the story. I am very skeptical by nature, so I need proof when people say things.

I see people tell the whole story based on things they have investigated. they speak for all of them, they just want you to rely on what they say. I find this extremely troubling. Blevins (1504) takes the cake on this one. not ONE of his witnesses have come forward to tell THERE side, or to confirm what he has been saying. records have shown that he lies, and takes things out of context constantly, so his credibility is zero.

so it's hard for me to just take the word of someone's story....proof is required...
 

georger

  • Guest
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2447 on: December 17, 2016, 05:40:23 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
IMO, I sometimes see people tell stories that try and fill the empty void needed to resolve this case. most of the time, if not all of the time they lack any real proof behind the story. I am very skeptical by nature, so I need proof when people say things.

I see people tell the whole story based on things they have investigated. they speak for all of them, they just want you to rely on what they say. I find this extremely troubling. Blevins (1504) takes the cake on this one. not ONE of his witnesses have come forward to tell THERE side, or to confirm what he has been saying. records have shown that he lies, and takes things out of context constantly, so his credibility is zero.

so it's hard for me to just take the word of someone's story....proof is required...

... especially when the proof of the Fazio sand business and sand being moved around on the Fazio property 1970-1980, can be had with one or two phone calls!
 

haggarknew

  • Guest
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2448 on: December 17, 2016, 08:22:31 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
IMO, I sometimes see people tell stories that try and fill the empty void needed to resolve this case. most of the time, if not all of the time they lack any real proof behind the story. I am very skeptical by nature, so I need proof when people say things.

I see people tell the whole story based on things they have investigated. they speak for all of them, they just want you to rely on what they say. I find this extremely troubling. Blevins (1504) takes the cake on this one. not ONE of his witnesses have come forward to tell THERE side, or to confirm what he has been saying. records have shown that he lies, and takes things out of context constantly, so his credibility is zero.

so it's hard for me to just take the word of someone's story....proof is required...

... especially when the proof of the Fazio sand business and sand being moved around on the Fazio property 1970-1980, can be had with one or two phone calls!

                              If you are talking about a phone call to the Fazio's, would you really expect them to fess up to something that at best was shady , and probably borderline illegal?
 

Offline Shutter

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9301
  • Thanked: 1027 times
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2449 on: December 17, 2016, 08:43:54 PM »
Haggar, you are talking about something extremely illegal, and just couldn't happen. so you think the river goes without any security protecting it? ever heard of the army corps. engineers? river patrol, local police, Sheriff? they are all notified of anything going on with the river. you are talking about a major shipping channel, not some creek in someone's backyard...ships are notified of any problems on the river...

Go into a football stadium and set up a lemonade stand and see how long you last...



« Last Edit: December 17, 2016, 08:56:07 PM by Shutter »
 

haggarknew

  • Guest
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2450 on: December 17, 2016, 09:22:15 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Haggar, you are talking about something extremely illegal, and just couldn't happen. so you think the river goes without any security protecting it? ever heard of the army corps. engineers? river patrol, local police, Sheriff? they are all notified of anything going on with the river. you are talking about a major shipping channel, not some creek in someone's backyard...ships are notified of any problems on the river...

Go into a football stadium and set up a lemonade stand and see how long you last...

                      Do you really think the army corps.  engineers kept tabs on the sand on the beach after dredgings? Do you think that the river patrol could be everywhere at once? Lots of river(s) to patrol for how many river patrolmen?  What local police ? (it is outside city limits) Is the sheriff really going to care what someone is doing quietly on their own farm? Being highly illegal has stopped how many crimes in the past?  ...c'mon
 

Offline Shutter

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9301
  • Thanked: 1027 times
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2451 on: December 17, 2016, 09:35:53 PM »
I'm not talking about sand on the beach. this is about you saying it's possible that dredging was done undocumented. this is becoming rather foolish. we have one incident of dredging that put sand on Tbar, period. you are trying to state that dredging was done (unauthorized) and now possibly putting sand there at other times was also done, and the Fazio's will not admit to this.

Really?
 

haggarknew

  • Guest
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2452 on: December 17, 2016, 09:47:48 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
I'm not talking about sand on the beach. this is about you saying it's possible that dredging was done undocumented. this is becoming rather foolish. we have one incident of dredging that put sand on Tbar, period. you are trying to state that dredging was done (unauthorized) and now possibly putting sand there at other times was also done, and the Fazio's will not admit to this.

Really?

                   I didn't say unauthorized, I said undocumented (big difference). I don't know if anyone asked the Fazios about it. I do doubt that they would admit to it.   yes really
 

Offline Shutter

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9301
  • Thanked: 1027 times
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2453 on: December 17, 2016, 09:49:20 PM »
Undocumented would be impossible.
 

Offline Shutter

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9301
  • Thanked: 1027 times
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2454 on: December 17, 2016, 09:54:36 PM »
You are now trying to say that dredging took place on a major shipping channel, but was not documented? that's illegal in the first place. this is a busy channel, and I don't see any room for undocumented work. people need to be notified of changes in the channel. undocumented work being done would be unsafe to the channel. ships are warned of obstructions ahead. dredging would be an issue with them.

The Clark County Sheriff's Office Marine Unit duties include the enforcement of state and local boating rules and regulations, investigation of boating accidents, water search and rescue operations, identifying and/or removal of navigational hazards, and addressing vessel operation complaints and concerns within the county. Marine deputies also work closely with local U.S. Coast Guard Auxiliary and U.S. Power Squadrons to provide boating education to boaters in local metro area.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2016, 09:58:08 PM by Shutter »
 

haggarknew

  • Guest
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2455 on: December 17, 2016, 09:55:38 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Undocumented would be impossible.
                             According to who?





 

Offline Shutter

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9301
  • Thanked: 1027 times
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2456 on: December 17, 2016, 10:04:06 PM »
Haggar, this is done....you are not making any sense. you don't have any proof of any claims of "undocumented" dredging in front, or near Tina bar. you have constructed a story that can't be verified due no documentation, or the belief that nobody will verify anything...that's nothing but a story, a story that can't be backed up...
 

Offline Shutter

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9301
  • Thanked: 1027 times
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2457 on: December 17, 2016, 10:07:51 PM »
Bob Knoss had all kinds of stories similar to yours. he would say the same thing, it's in no file cabinet, you won't find any paper trail etc. etc. this guy made claims like Rataczak was the one who sewed the chute shut with boots inside for Cooper to use. it goes on and on with "undocumented" stories...he also seen pictures and knows Richard Floyd McCoy personally, and he's still alive!

So, forgive me for not believing undocumented things....
« Last Edit: December 17, 2016, 10:16:54 PM by Shutter »
 

Offline Shutter

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9301
  • Thanked: 1027 times
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2458 on: December 17, 2016, 10:20:31 PM »
Nightjumper71 was on here about a year ago with yet another story set up that couldn't be checked. he started the usual 'you don't want the truth". he had a picture of an old briefcase for his profile photo he claimed was Cooper's. the problem with that was, it was for sale online. the same exact photo. needless to say that was the end of him. he was very convincing, so I've seen and heard it all before...

Paul Geivett told me a story on the phone about who he thinks is Cooper.. that would be Kenny Christiansen. he claimed that Kenny wore a toupee and the FBI took a photo (he seen it) of Kenny looking out through the rear stairs. his latest venture is that Kenny is also the Zodiac killer..
« Last Edit: December 17, 2016, 10:24:07 PM by Shutter »
 

haggarknew

  • Guest
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2459 on: December 17, 2016, 10:45:59 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Haggar, this is done....you are not making any sense. you don't have any proof of any claims of "undocumented" dredging in front, or near Tina bar. you have constructed a story that can't be verified due no documentation, or the belief that nobody will verify anything...that's nothing but a story, a story that can't be backed up...

                    Lol   Sounds like I touched a nerve. I do find it humorous that in a previous post you stated that this is an open forum  where anyone can present their story, yet when it is a story you don't want to hear you cut them off.(I am not just talking about my story). Don't worry ,you won't hear from me anymore.  I don't really like to deal with hypocrites.  goodbye