it's sounds like you are implying the high waters brought the money, but how did the frags get to different levels, or depths?

Haggar, this is very hard to swallow for many reasons.. the Fazio's themselves have stated they used a front loader to move the sand, and no mention of dump trucks.

There is no such thing as "undocumented" dredging. they have laws in place to make sure dredging is done properly. you would be in a shit load of trouble if you started dredging without authorization. you won't get away with dredging where ever you wish.

the story above sounds like it was taken from comments made previous to your post? Bob Knoss use to do a similar thing.

                             Believe it  or don't.  Hager was there. Were any of you? Didn't think so. As far as previous comments, I really don't listen ( or pay attention to most of the nonsense being posted, let alone use it  in my posts.

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it's sounds like you are implying the high waters brought the money, but how did the frags get to different levels, or depths?

No Im not saying that - the original cause is uncertain. But the high waters and erosion definitely may have redistributed it once it was there.  Along with erosion affects due to tides and winter melts ...

           


                        The Fazio's moved the sand around with dozers. They also had loaders and dump trucks involved in moving some of  that sand further inland to other  locations on their farm. Hager said he witnessed that many times. He also said there were other dredgings between 1971 and 1974, documented or not. I think the money may have been buried higher up on the bank (at some time close to the hijacking).High water events (and erosion)   could have eventually moved some bundles down the bank toward the river.at that point they would be at lower location than original location. Between the dozers and loaders( and possibly dredgings) the shard field would be created. Hager said the shoreline in that area changed a lot over the years due to the erosion.   

                        It would be interesting to see what the location of the 3 bundles looked like in 1971. I am not saying the 3 bundles moved.  I am saying that at the time they were buried that spot was much higher up the bank. It would be interesting to see the shoreline of that area as it looked in 1971.

                       By the way, in reference to comments made on this thread awhile back by 377 and Georger and others....There were some shady characters occupying the other side of the river. Hager knew some of them personally. One of them (D. B.'s partner ran one of his businesses (illegal business) from the docks that are  located almost straight across from Tina Bar.(maybe just a hair to the north) He had booze and other bar supplies delivered there (tax free on the Oregon side) and sold it tax free to many bars on the Washington side.(very illegal but very profitable)

There are not any "docks" on the Oregon side of the Columbia River across from the Tina Bar money find site.  What you see there are basically telephone pole type structures that may, or may not, be known as "wing dams".  Some of them appear to have radar reflectors and/or light reflectors to aid in navigation, especially at night, but they were apparently originally constructed to minimize shoreline erosion as much as possible.

Last August, Meyer Louie and I stood at the Tina Bar money find location, at least as close as we could get to it without wading into the river, and discussed those structures on the Oregon side of the river for several minutes.  They may appear in the background in a forthcoming TV program.

ADDITION:  To reply to haggerknew's last post above, quite a few people on this thread have been there.  My guess is at least 10 people on this thread have been there and most have been there more than once.  Last August was the second time Meyer Louie and I had been there with metal detectors.  Other visits were made without metal detectors.

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                               Docks or not , they were used by locals to tie their boats up. I want to know how many of you were there (living in the area, mingling with the locals, exploring and hunting the area ?) at the time of the hijacking? Like I said, I didn't think so. You are .talking 50 years later, I am talking at that time.

Haggar, you can't prove a story with a story. where you there, what documentation do you have that locals tied boats to a dam? I see boats run right up to the shoreline without the need of a dock? this is a story provided to you from someone else. I could tell you I have friends that were in the area on the same day as the hijacking. it doesn't mean it's true.

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                               Docks or not , they were used by locals to tie their boats up. I want to know how many of you were there (living in the area, mingling with the locals, exploring and hunting the area ?) at the time of the hijacking? Like I said, I didn't think so. You are .talking 50 years later, I am talking at that time.

Haggar, you can't prove a story with a story. where you there, what documentation do you have that locals tied boats to a dam? I see boats run right up to the shoreline without the need of a dock? this is a story provided to you from someone else. I could tell you I have friends that were in the area on the same day as the hijacking. it doesn't mean it's true.

Oddly enough, when Meyer Louie and I were at Tina Bar in 2013, we met a local fisherman who told us he had been there almost every day for the previous 50 years.  His theory was that the dredge put the money on Tina Bar.  And I think I can categorically state that he would never buy haggar's story.

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                               Docks or not , they were used by locals to tie their boats up. I want to know how many of you were there (living in the area, mingling with the locals, exploring and hunting the area ?) at the time of the hijacking? Like I said, I didn't think so. You are .talking 50 years later, I am talking at that time.

Haggar, you can't prove a story with a story. where you there, what documentation do you have that locals tied boats to a dam? I see boats run right up to the shoreline without the need of a dock? this is a story provided to you from someone else. I could tell you I have friends that were in the area on the same day as the hijacking. it doesn't mean it's true.

                        I seen the pics that Hager had of the boats. It was well documented that he was there. There is plenty of documentation to put him in the area at the time, Like I asked ,were any of you?