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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #315 on: November 08, 2021, 02:58:25 PM »
Will an E-book version of the book be available ?
 
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« Reply #316 on: November 08, 2021, 03:05:32 PM »
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Will an E-book version of the book be available ?
I will ask Schiffer.
 

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« Reply #317 on: November 08, 2021, 03:39:06 PM »
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Years ago I tried to get the statistician John Allen Paulos interested in the Cooper case, to no avail. John is the author of "Innumeracy": You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login    I am sure Edwards knows who Paulos is. This could become very interesting. Edward's ability to challenge long held assumptions is long overdue. It's long passed due. 

I have felt for a long time that the Cooper case was sliding into oblivion - Edwards may just have saved it!

Edwards is a breath of fresh air.  :congrats:
That said, based on his implications on the podcast, his conclusions will stand in stark contrast to those of several high-profile researchers and will almost certainly frustrate their narratives.

Whether he is right or wrong is dependent on his evidence and data. I look forward to reading his book and seeing what he's got.
 
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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #318 on: November 09, 2021, 02:29:58 PM »
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Will an E-book version of the book be available ?
Schiffer replied: "we will do so at a later stage – for the moment only the book is available".
 

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« Reply #319 on: November 09, 2021, 11:31:14 PM »
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Will an E-book version of the book be available ?
Schiffer replied: "we will do so at a later stage – for the moment only the book is available".

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« Reply #320 on: November 10, 2021, 11:05:39 AM »
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Will an E-book version of the book be available ?
Schiffer replied: "we will do so at a later stage – for the moment only the book is available".

Thanks Dfs ...

I finished listening to the podcast.  It was just enough of a teaser for the book. Good job.  I was surprised at how hard it is to get a book published.  It sort of underlines the fact that interest in the case may be focused amongst a small group of people.  I hope the book sells well.  The other interesting piece was the discussion about the sled test.  Did I understand correctly that the FBI has a video of that and just has not released it yet? 

Anyone know how many 302's are still left to be released?  10% of total? 50%?

DFS if you do an audiobook, you could narrate it yourself.  It took me a bit to place your voice, but you are a dead ringer for the actor Terrence Stamp (Young Guns, Superman, Star Wars).
 
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« Reply #321 on: November 10, 2021, 12:02:06 PM »
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Will an E-book version of the book be available ?
Schiffer replied: "we will do so at a later stage – for the moment only the book is available".

Thanks Dfs ...

I finished listening to the podcast.  It was just enough of a teaser for the book. Good job.  I was surprised at how hard it is to get a book published.  It sort of underlines the fact that interest in the case may be focused amongst a small group of people.  I hope the book sells well.  The other interesting piece was the discussion about the sled test.  Did I understand correctly that the FBI has a video of that and just has not released it yet? 

Anyone know how many 302's are still left to be released?  10% of total? 50%?

DFS if you do an audiobook, you could narrate it yourself.  It took me a bit to place your voice, but you are a dead ringer for the actor Terrence Stamp (Young Guns, Superman, Star Wars).

Great call on the accent/voice...."Regulators, mount up !"
 

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« Reply #322 on: November 10, 2021, 01:21:52 PM »
I listened. To the entire Podcast ! Very impressed with both Darren’s questions and Robert’s entire way he approaches the case. He deals with facts and goes in without any preconceived suspects or opinions !
 
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« Reply #323 on: November 10, 2021, 01:55:04 PM »
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DFS if you do an audiobook, you could narrate it yourself.  It took me a bit to place your voice, but you are a dead ringer for the actor Terrence Stamp (Young Guns, Superman, Star Wars).

Fcastle, Dr. Robert Edwards is also a dead ringer for Robert Isaac Harker which is his motion picture screen name.  I also understand that he does presentations of various types in connection with his Edwards Economic Research organization.

Check out  <https://www.mandy.com>uk>robert-isaac-harker/uk/actor/robert-isaac-harker> for more information.
 
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« Reply #324 on: November 10, 2021, 03:14:19 PM »
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<> discussion about the sled test.  Did I understand correctly that the FBI has a video of that and just has not released it yet?
Having seen the color still image on the archived site n467us.com and the three monochrome stills (by courtesy of Robert99), I submitted a FOIA request to the FBI for the full video. That was on 06.14.2020. The request was denied as "not consistent with FBI terms of service". I resubmitted the request on 11.12.2020 citing the FBI's previous release of the video to Unsolved Mysteries/History Channel, as per their letter dated 06.23.2005 (attached). My second request is still in the database and the current status is "The information you have requested is part of a previously requested subject matter and will be preprocessed in accordance to the prior releasable information."
 

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« Reply #325 on: November 10, 2021, 03:21:03 PM »
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surprised at how hard it is to get a book published.  It sort of underlines the fact that interest in the case may be focused amongst a small group of people.

I learned that most publishers (and all the big names) work exclusively through literary agents and will generally not accept a proposal from an author. Literary agents universally require an author's proposal to conform to their personal reading tastes, which they specify on their webpages and which are often narrowly defined. Schiffer is one of the few publishers who are happy to receive proposals direct from authors.

I think there's a wide audience for a new narrative of the case of Flight 305, providing that it's framed within the "mystery" or "true crime" genres.
 
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« Reply #326 on: November 10, 2021, 03:27:45 PM »
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how many 302's are still left to be released?  10% of total? 50%?

If the FBI were working chronologically through their case files, we might expect that about 30 years' worth (1971-about 2001) have been approved for release with redactions, and about 15 years' worth (2001-2016) remain. But I have the impression that the last 15 batches (#49-#64) are recycling materials from the 1970s.
 
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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #327 on: November 14, 2021, 06:17:37 AM »
Look out for "D. B. Cooper and Flight 305" on "Vanished" with Chris Williamson, broadcasting on November 24, 2021. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #328 on: November 17, 2021, 12:09:52 AM »
DB Cooper and Flight 305 - the new book

I got my copy of Edwards' book today, DB Cooper and Flight 305 - Re-Examining the Hijacking and Disappearanceand just finished reading it. A few thoughts/impressions. I revert to my initial assessment of a few days ago - it's an uneven book. On one hand it is an impressive and substantive work, loaded with details and sound analysis. Some of you guys are gonna have orgasms when you read it. But others of us will be reaching for migraine medication, as it is mind-numbing in its minutiae. Imagine reading a thousand 302s without the redactions. Or reading the instructional manual for repairing a transmission on a Mercedes Benz - laudable but only if you're getting paid to fix the damn vehicle.

A couple basic take-aways from Edwards' conclusions. First, he kind of agrees with the "FBI" flight path, i.e.: V-23 all the way, but disagrees with the time of the jump, claiming the NWO/FBI conclusion of 8:11 pm and over Highland, WA is inaccurate. He says this because he feels the FBI and NWO confused the earlier aftstair oscillations as the pressure jump. Edwards posits that they were two different, but related, phenomena.

As a result, he puts DBC jumping at 8:13, and claims that time frame puts Flight 305 on the southern shore of the Columbia. Further, Edwards says that DBC had a 70% likelihood of landing into the Columbia River. He figures Coop's remains are on the eastern shoreline of Hayden Island, a couple of miles west of PDX.

Edwards relies heavily on the recent "302" document release from the FBI, and he benefited from an very intimate relationship with the WSHM. This book is well-annotated and cited, and in that regard has no peer in the Cooper firmament. However, it is not cross-referenced with interviews with any principals. Everyone is based upon the Norjak documentation left behind after the closing in 2016 - from FBI agents, George Harrison's notes, ARCINC transcripts and such.

In short, DB Cooper and Flight 305 - Re-examining the Hijacking and Disappearance is a powerful book. It's also very weighty, and I mean that both metaphorically and physically. Imagine a thick National Geographic magazine with a bullet-proof hard cover. The darn thing is so heavy it almost slipped out of my hands when I first retrieved it up from my mailbox. It's also a very beautiful book - elegant even - and richly peppered with maps and graphs, which are all in color. It's a classy book and a bargain at $29.95. It's hard to figure how Schiffer Publishing is gonna make a dime on this thing unless half of America buys a copy for Christmas.
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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #329 on: November 17, 2021, 02:15:24 AM »
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DB Cooper and Flight 305 - the new book

I got my copy of Edwards' book today, DB Cooper and Flight 305 - Re-Examining the Hijacking and Disappearanceand just finished reading it. A few thoughts/impressions. I revert to my initial assessment of a few days ago - it's an uneven book. On one hand it is an impressive and substantive work, loaded with details and sound analysis. Some of you guys are gonna have orgasms when you read it. But others of us will be reaching for migraine medication, as it is mind-numbing in its minutiae. Imagine reading a thousand 302s without the redactions. Or reading the instructional manual for repairing a transmission on a Mercedes Benz - laudable but only if you're getting paid to fix the damn vehicle.

A couple basic take-aways from Edwards' conclusions. First, he kind of agrees with the "FBI" flight path, i.e.: V-23 all the way, but disagrees with the time of the jump, claiming the NWO/FBI conclusion of 8:11 pm and over Highland, WA is inaccurate. He says this because he feels the FBI and NWO confused the earlier aftstair oscillations as the pressure jump. Edwards posits that they were two different, but related, phenomena.

As a result, he puts DBC jumping at 8:13, and claims that time frame puts Flight 305 on the southern shore of the Columbia. Further, Edwards says that DBC had a 70% likelihood of landing into the Columbia River. He figures Coop's remains are on the eastern shoreline of Hayden Island, a couple of miles west of PDX.

Edwards relies heavily on the recent "302" document release from the FBI, and he benefited from an very intimate relationship with the WSHM. This book is well-annotated and cited, and in that regard has no peer in the Cooper firmament. However, it is not cross-referenced with interviews with any principals. Everyone is based upon the Norjak documentation left behind after the closing in 2016 - from FBI agents, George Harrison's notes, ARCINC transcripts and such.

In short, DB Cooper and Flight 305 - Re-examining the Hijacking and Disappearance is a powerful book. It's also very weighty, and I mean that both metaphorically and physically. Imagine a thick National Geographic magazine with a bullet-proof hard cover. The darn thing is so heavy it almost slipped out of my hands when I first retrieved it up from my mailbox. It's also a very beautiful book - elegant even - and richly peppered with maps and graphs, which are all in color. It's a classy book and a bargain at $29.95. It's hard to figure how Schiffer Publishing is gonna make a dime on this thing unless half of America buys a copy for Christmas.

There's some wrong math in the 70% calculation. I believe the right equation comes out to 70.33333% ..repeating, of course.