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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #135 on: December 01, 2020, 11:17:57 AM »
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hey darren and martin, so i made my parents listen to the part in the new episode where you talked about how you don't think tina or any of the flight crew was in on it, because after watching some stupid show they believed that they were in on it and it was an inside job and was able to change their minds

There was a fictional TV show a few years back called "Leverage". One of the episodes was called "The D.B. Cooper Job". That was pretty much what they portrayed in that show. If I remember correctly Tina (don't recall if they used her real name or an alias), and Cooper were lovers and escaped with the money....until someone at the FBI figured it out years later. It was a pretty bad show. They even had Cooper wearing a hat during the hijacking, a Fedora if I remember correctly.

They make solving the case seem pretty damn easy...



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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #136 on: December 01, 2020, 09:00:31 PM »
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hey darren and martin, so i made my parents listen to the part in the new episode where you talked about how you don't think tina or any of the flight crew was in on it, because after watching some stupid show they believed that they were in on it and it was an inside job and was able to change their minds

There was a fictional TV show a few years back called "Leverage". One of the episodes was called "The D.B. Cooper Job". That was pretty much what they portrayed in that show. If I remember correctly Tina (don't recall if they used her real name or an alias), and Cooper were lovers and escaped with the money....until someone at the FBI figured it out years later. It was a pretty bad show. They even had Cooper wearing a hat during the hijacking, a Fedora if I remember correctly.

They make solving the case seem pretty damn easy...



yes that was what they watched! and they made me watch it with them and i told them the whole time that it was inaccurate and they told me to be quiet when they barely know shit about db cooper other than the fact that he hijacked/jumped out of a plane. not that i have as much knowledge as you guys do since you guys have access to a lot more stuff than i do but i feel like i know a lot.
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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #137 on: December 13, 2020, 08:19:46 PM »
New episode out now! DB Cooper was not successful with Chris “Chaucer” Cunningham. Enjoy!

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The Cooper Vortex - A Podcast about DB Cooper - Available on most podcast apps
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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #138 on: December 13, 2020, 11:27:20 PM »
A few things heard on the podcast..

The one thing me and Flyjack have always agreed on is the possibility the placard didn't come from 305. FJ found dozens of safety cards surrounding the rear stairs. none have been found showing the emergency release. recently, I noticed looking at the plane after it landed that the stairs were down and locked. had Cooper used the emergency system the stairs would no longer lock. then, FJ posted a picture showing the inside of the plane and the emergency system was not on 305. these are critical problems validating the placard came from 305.

The part found north of the placard was not described as fiberglass. it was described as a part and not a piece of a larger part.

The Air Force map. the Air Force had to track every plane in the sky marking them friend or foe. they also had the civilian radar that airports use across the country. I'm not sure where the data came from in actually plotting the map. the sage radar had limited memory but could recall an event.

Chris, don't be discouraged with presenting things. I know how you feel. I released the first files (302's) surrounding the flight crew and the response was nothing to speak about..
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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #139 on: December 14, 2020, 12:20:31 AM »
I think a lot of people overlook the fact of Cooper being a criminal. I think it was a Facebook post Marla Cooper made when someone asked her her Uncle being Cooper. her response was "isn't it great". personally, I find that offensive IMHO.
 

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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #140 on: December 14, 2020, 02:19:47 AM »
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New episode out now! DB Cooper was not successful with Chris “Chaucer” Cunningham. Enjoy!

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Excellent job by both parties.
 
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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #141 on: December 14, 2020, 04:49:15 AM »
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FJ found dozens of safety cards surrounding the rear stairs. none have been found showing the emergency release. recently, I noticed looking at the plane after it landed that the stairs were down and locked. had Cooper used the emergency system the stairs would no longer lock. then, FJ posted a picture showing the inside of the plane and the emergency system was not on 305.

As I always say, I'm not a dedicated researcher, I don't read all the files and what-not, I have no reason to refute any of that research. However, something doesn't jive, and that is the 'pressure bump' from the door recoiling and slamming shut momentarily after Cooper jumps. If the door is still connected to the hydraulic system, then that would dampen the door's movement and prevent it from recoiling and slamming shut and creating that pressure bump. And that is exactly what is seen in that video you posted the other day from the Treat Williams movie. When the stunt guy jumps, the door doesn't slam shut, it just moves up a bit in the dampened fashion from being connected to the hydraulics. That there was the pressure bump from the door slamming shut when Cooper jumped would seem to indicate that it's disconnected from the hydraulics. But if that emergency disconnect doesn't exist on 305...   Not sure how to reconcile that.
 
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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #142 on: December 14, 2020, 09:23:51 AM »
When you look at the test drop photo's the door doesn't close all the way either. speeds of 150 vs 170 could be a factor with the difference in recoil. we now have photo's from the inside and outside view of the stairs and the control box with no indication the emergency system was installed on 305. I'm guessing the stuntman was probably close to Coopers weight. some of the 727's added the feature later. even if the release was in the main control box we would see it in the interior photo's from the test flight. the crew was obviously in the front of the plane. the term slamming shut isn't an observation but one of sound and what could be heard and physically felt?

Another clip from the movie is just as interesting. it shows Robert Duvall pulling the stairs down and they don't lock. this implies the stairs were in a free fall position.

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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #143 on: December 14, 2020, 11:08:46 AM »
It was an honor to be on the podcast. Darren was terrific, and I encourage any of you who have been invited to go on.

I'm hardly on the level of Cooper knowledge as the rest of you, and many of you are far more worthy of presenting your case than I am.

Since I don't have a suspect or theory I was hoping to use my episode to talk about the basic facts of the case and lay out what i think it the most likely scenario. As I said on the podcast, I'm prepared to be wrong.

Again, thank you, Darren.
 
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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #144 on: December 14, 2020, 06:40:03 PM »
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I think a lot of people overlook the fact of Cooper being a criminal. I think it was a Facebook post Marla Cooper made when someone asked her her Uncle being Cooper. her response was "isn't it great". personally, I find that offensive IMHO.

Well said, Shutter. If my grandfather was being promoted as Cooper, I would be trying to clear his name, not spinning it as a positive. The Cooper case is extremely fascinating, but Cooper should not be venerated as a saint.
 

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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #145 on: December 14, 2020, 06:41:57 PM »
Also, the Cooper family would have legal entanglements after the fact for hiding LD, or not talking to LE.
 

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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #146 on: December 14, 2020, 09:21:23 PM »
Good podcast, well down Chaucer and Darren.
 

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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #147 on: December 14, 2020, 09:28:08 PM »
Good timing on this one as it gave me something to listen to on my drive to West Virginia today. I enjoyed. Chaucer has many of the same views as I do, but I greatly disagree with him and Darren on one thing: If given the choice, I'd much rather know who Cooper was as opposed to knowing everything that happened. If you know who he was, you would probably be able to fill in a lot of those blanks. Plus - and this is a huge plus - if we knew for certain who Cooper was, we wouldn't have to continually hear from the suspect pushers.
 
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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #148 on: December 15, 2020, 04:27:43 PM »
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Marty's episode will be out very soon. Russell went to Mexico for his honeymoon, and my father-in-law died unexpectedly from cancer at 57 a week ago today, and now my mother-in-law is living in my office. It's been a rough few weeks.
My deepest condolences to your family, Darren.
 

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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #149 on: December 17, 2020, 05:28:24 PM »
Finally got the time to listen to the podcast with Chaucer. Really enjoyed it! Great job Darren and Chaucer! Sorry I missed your post about the tie and the metallurgy. I would love to hear more about this.