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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4740 on: May 26, 2021, 03:17:11 PM »
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I do not believe the FBI was corrupt or covering anything up as it pertains to the Cooper case. They were just tasked with a very difficult case and made some mistakes along the way. Additionally, Cooper was very good at covering his tracks and not talking. I believe that essentially explains why this case is still unsolved 50 years later.
I would agree with this. Were mistakes made? Absolutely. Did the FBI act in an arrogant, irresponsible manner at times? Yes.

But that doesn’t mean the FBI is corrupt or incompetent.

My original point remains that I think Tina has little to offer this case in terms of important information

Technology and procedures play a massive role in this 1971 case. None of the technology or training was available in 71 like it is today.   
 

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« Reply #4741 on: May 28, 2021, 05:05:09 AM »
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What say ye of those crop circles in England from the early 80's' that they still have not solved?  Hmmm.  Some strange crap going on in this world.

The people who made those crop circles eventually confessed and explained how they did it.  Same with the Loch Ness picture, Bigfoot film, and other such nonsense.  The "Phoenix Lights" were real and came from an aircraft that can easily be identified even if the manufacturer has not publicly admitted to it so far.

Baloney about UFO-type occurrences is easy to start but it will live forever even after it has been debunked.  There is indeed some strange crap going on in this world, and the internet has more than its fair share. :(

Not all of them.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4742 on: July 05, 2021, 12:11:57 AM »
Just finished the Walter Reca documentary, is there any reason to get the book?
 

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« Reply #4743 on: July 05, 2021, 05:32:55 PM »
Yes and no, Marty.

The book tells us about the author, Carl Laurin, as much as it does about Walter Reca. It's a comparable take to the docu, which tells us about Principia Media, Dirk Wierenga and Vern Jones as much as it does Reca.

Got a question for ya: In the docu there are plenty of recordings of Walter Reca speaking. I hear a feint but discernible northern Michigan/Minnesotan accent, such as "out and about" sounding like "ouht and abouht," with a drawn-out "o" sound. Do you hear it? Laurin's accent is similar and quite noticeable, while Reca's is less pronounced, in my view.

I've challenged Joe Koenig on this, but he says he doesn't hear any accent.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4744 on: July 05, 2021, 06:06:11 PM »
I would not make a big deal over it, but I definitely picked up on his accent. I think Tina would too, but that's a guess.

More to the point, Reca swears unconsciously, like a lot of guys in construction. Cooper did not swear at all. Minor points compared to the other problems with this story...
 

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« Reply #4745 on: July 06, 2021, 01:23:20 AM »
It all points to a resounding NO on DBC.
 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4746 on: July 07, 2021, 12:48:31 AM »
It's like a multiple choice question where one answer is ridiculous and they just throw it in there to be funny:

What's the capital of Russia?

a) Moscow
b) St. Petersburg
c) lasagna

Reca is lasagna. It's like people made him a suspect just to be silly

He looks the exact opposite of the sketch in every way. If I wanted to steer people away from Reca i'd give them a sketch of Cooper.

As for the cowboy seeing him come out of the woods in Cle Elum that's not really a witness so much as an alibi. It's just proof he was nowhere near the crime and therefore innocent.

That said, I still quite enjoyed the book and recommend it as Reca is an interesting man and Laurin a talented writer




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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4747 on: July 08, 2021, 03:53:47 AM »
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It's like a multiple choice question where one answer is ridiculous and they just throw it in there to be funny:

What's the capital of Russia?

a) Moscow
b) St. Petersburg
c) lasagna

Reca is lasagna. It's like people made him a suspect just to be silly

He looks the exact opposite of the sketch in every way. If I wanted to steer people away from Reca i'd give them a sketch of Cooper.

As for the cowboy seeing him come out of the woods in Cle Elum that's not really a witness so much as an alibi. It's just proof he was nowhere near the crime and therefore innocent.

That said, I still quite enjoyed the book and recommend it as Reca is an interesting man and Laurin a talented writer

I have spoken with the cowboy, Jeff Osaidiacz, and I believe him. The Big Question is not whether Walter Reca was DB Cooper, but rather, why was he walking in the woods of Cle Elum, Washington on November 24, 1971.

Vern Jones invited me to research that question and write a book, promising me that he would publish it. I declined the invite as it is beyond my current resources to investigate this angle.

I suggest one of you Youngbloods out there consider picking up this mantle.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4748 on: July 08, 2021, 04:58:30 AM »
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It's like a multiple choice question where one answer is ridiculous and they just throw it in there to be funny:

What's the capital of Russia?

a) Moscow
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It's like a multiple choice question where one answer is ridiculous and they just throw it in there to be funny:

What's the capital of Russia?

a) Moscow
b) St. Petersburg
c) lasagna

Reca is lasagna. It's like people made him a suspect just to be silly

He looks the exact opposite of the sketch in every way. If I wanted to steer people away from Reca i'd give them a sketch of Cooper.

As for the cowboy seeing him come out of the woods in Cle Elum that's not really a witness so much as an alibi. It's just proof he was nowhere near the crime and therefore innocent.

That said, I still quite enjoyed the book and recommend it as Reca is an interesting man and Laurin a talented writer

I have spoken with the cowboy, Jeff Osaidiacz, and I believe him. The Big Question is not whether Walter Reca was DB Cooper, but rather, why was he walking in the woods of Cle Elum, Washington on November 24, 1971.

Vern Jones invited me to research that question and write a book, promising me that he would publish it. I declined the invite as it is beyond my current resources to investigate this angle.

I suggest one of you Youngbloods out there consider picking up this mantle.


Yeah I believe Jeff as well and from all accounts he's very credible.

Why Reca was there is a great question, especially given his background
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4749 on: July 09, 2021, 04:31:29 AM »
At the risk of re-stating old information, NFP, Vern Jones told me an interesting tidbit at CC19 when we were talking about Walter and Cle Elum. Vern said that Walter had told Carl Laurin that his "mind had been sculpted" in the 18 months he spent in CIA training at the Vennell Corporation in Seattle.

Sounds like MK-ULTRA to me.
 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4750 on: July 09, 2021, 10:59:03 PM »
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At the risk of re-stating old information, NFP, Vern Jones told me an interesting tidbit at CC19 when we were talking about Walter and Cle Elum. Vern said that Walter had told Carl Laurin that his "mind had been sculpted" in the 18 months he spent in CIA training at the Vennell Corporation in Seattle.

Sounds like MK-ULTRA to me.

I was talking to the other DB the other day (Drew Beeson) and he mentioned Braden had some mental health issues. I wonder if that has anything to do with mk ultra?
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4751 on: July 10, 2021, 05:15:41 AM »
Some of the MAC-V-SOG troopers who served with Ted in Vietnam report him being unstable  and "going schizo." He also is reported to have killed a Vietnamese police officer in a financial dispute. So, Ted had lots of unhealthy behaviors. Certainly later in life he had a major addiction to alcohol.

But MK-ULTRA? With MK I would look for radical shifts in personality that seem healthy, such as the Manchurian Candidate scenario. Further, the few families that I've spoken with that claim a history of MK abuse describe profound depression.

MK-ULTRA is not a process to create craziness. Rather, it is - as Walter called it - a shift in neurology, a sculpting. A new personality is produced or enhanced, akin perhaps to Disassociative Identity Disorder, which many people call Multiple Personality Disorder. However, with those folks, their lives are unstable and fraught with issues, such as family violence, an inability to maintain a consistent work relationship, child-like behaviors, sexualized behavior, etc. People with D.I.D don't make very good intelligence operatives, in my view.

With Ted, I'd say we're looking at a form of PTSD.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4752 on: July 10, 2021, 06:18:52 AM »
At this point I'm officially in the "DB Cooper was a person who is a complete unknown to this day" category.

I have determined that I think it is unlikely that Sheridan Peterson was DB Cooper. This is based in part upon the evidence surrounding Cooper's smoking habit.

I've always said that serious investigators can't be "homers." Meaning, one needs to follow the evidence wherever it goes. More to the point, if DBC was a smoker, and Sheridan was not a smoker, then he must be eliminated. Period.

My official position right now is that DBC was likely involved in the aerospace sector in Connecticut--Pratt & Whitney would be an ideal candidate. And, that the failed Cini skyjacking probably served as inspiration for Cooper's event 11 days later. Finally, that DBC's original plan was to jump near Seattle and literally fly out of SeaTac to JFK before 305 even landed in Reno.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4753 on: July 16, 2021, 08:59:18 PM »
One or two of you on here may know already that my main reason for researching Cooper was a "Eureka" moment I had the first time I saw Larry Carr talk about the Dan Cooper Comic. I immediately knew of someone who fit the description.

Six feet tall. Hair combed to the side. Swarthy complexion. French-speaking. Robbed airlines in the late 60's/early 70's. Used a comic book alias. Eluded the FBI.

The book Catch Me If You Can tells the story of Frank Abagnale, a man whose French Algerian Mother and Italian father divorce in New York when he's 16, and he turns to a life of crime. Frank famously looked older than he was, going gray as a teenager. His brother served in the Marines on a Cruiser stationed in France in the 1960's and would be in a position to send home comics like Dan Cooper to his kid brother. His dad, Frank Sr., whose Army unit's base was directly under Victor-23, is listed as having died in a "fall" in March of 1972 while the FBI was searching for Cooper's body. There is really too much fun stuff to list on this guy.

Highwayman is a synonym for hijacker.
People called Cooper a "Skyjacker."
Abagnale called himself the "Skywayman."

He tells a story of escaping from a moving plane while being tracked by the FBI by using technical information he had gathered about the aircraft. Kind of on-the-nose.

Cooper is the only Skyjacker never identified by the FBI. Never *identified*.
Abagnale is said to have been recruited by the FBI. It was the Cold War. If Abagnale could do a fraction of what he claims, he'd be the Werner Von Braun of espionage. I'd recruit him after a slyjacking.

After about 6 months of digging, I made up my mind that not only was Abagnale NOT Cooper, nor was his father (also 6 feet tall and swarthy), but that Abagnale was a massive ACTIVE con artist - not retired - having made up his life story and also likely used Cooper's story to augment his own. I felt like I had spent 6 months digging for iron pyrite. The silver lining was that now the story was that a massive fraud was roaming the countryside and I had a scoop on it.


Unfortunately, I couldn't interest anyone in the story. Nobody seemed to give a sh*t.  Luckily, one author simultaneously got interested in him while I put my story on the backburner and this guy actually had the time and energy to travel and research. The result is the expose on this con-job, linked below, which I'm reading right now. Great book. Makes me feel like Sean Connery finding out Indiana Jones found the grail without him - still excited regardless.

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Kudos to Alan Logan on what's a great book so far.
 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4754 on: July 18, 2021, 04:22:05 AM »
I feel your pain, Sure Lock.