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« Reply #4620 on: February 14, 2021, 05:15:30 PM »
Weather isn’t necessarily the issue. How well one is protected against the elements is the issue. People have died from exposure in 60 degree weather. All it takes is a three degree drop in body temperature to experience slowed reaction time and confusion.

If the temperature was 40 degrees and wet and Cooper was traveling at high speed in the dark falling in a business suit and loafers, then he would have been at far greater risk for hypothermia than a professional jumper with an insulated outfit, gloves, boots, goggles, and helmet.

I don’t think that’s a particularly provocative thing to say.
 

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« Reply #4621 on: February 14, 2021, 05:21:50 PM »
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Weather isn’t necessarily the issue. How well one is protected against the elements is the issue. People have died from exposure in 60 degree weather. All it takes is a three degree drop in body temperature to experience slowed reaction time and confusion.

If the temperature was 40 degrees and wet and Cooper was traveling at high speed in the dark falling in a business suit and loafers, then he would have been at far greater risk for hypothermia than a professional jumper with an insulated outfit, gloves, boots, goggles, and helmet.

I don’t think that’s a particularly provocative thing to say.

With just a suit and a rain coat and assuming he survived the jump, Cooper would still be soaking wet within minutes.  He would still have major problems for which he was not prepared.
 

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« Reply #4622 on: February 14, 2021, 05:46:26 PM »
The trees would provide some shelter from the rain once he was on the ground. I personally would have taken a few trash bags with me to use as a poncho and cover my feet. Simple solution for staying dry. Of course he probably couldn't have used them until he landed. He wasn't in the air for all that long was he?
 

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« Reply #4623 on: February 14, 2021, 07:19:08 PM »
One way or the other, DBC was on the ground by 8:30 pm. General descent is 1K feet per minute.
 

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« Reply #4624 on: February 15, 2021, 03:07:34 PM »
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So I am watching this show on YouTube that is based on Richard Floyd McCoy being DB Cooper.  Some of them are hell bent it was him.  It sure looked like a copy cat job but they said he could not have known that DB wrote the demands on the same type of form McCoy used?  I wonder how he could have made it to Vegas but I guess he could have gotten a ride or had a car hidden had he made it out of the woods quickly.  A bit of a tall order given the weather.  So do you all have evidence that it could not have been him?

So this show says 4 weeks ago but much of it is from the show with the late Robert Stack from Unsolved Mysteries.  So it was perhaps put together recently?  By some other nobody fly by night that wants a piece of the action.

I’m once again humored by your comment about the weather ! You said “ A bit of a tall order considering the weather “. I’ve lived in Portland most of me life. I delivered mail in Portland for 28 years always an outdoor walking route ! I lived in Portland on Nov 24, 1971. The weather that day was as typical normal as it could possibly have been. Check the weather report for that day ! There was NO snow or ice ! There was NO strong wind ! The temperature was exactly within the typical temperature for that day !The precipitation was like .19 !  Don’t get fooled and caught up in a bunch of BS stories ! I remember the day well ! The FBI probably would love to exaggerate the weather as a fierce stormy day as their inability to solve the crime is embarrassing to them ! They want him dead in the jump !

I made it a point to be in Portland/Vancouver in mid-November 2009 (I think it was) to see what the weather was like.  As I remember it, the temperature was in the mid-40s ever day and night, and it rained off and on ever day I was there.

Kermit and Haggar are right, there is nothing in the actual measured weather data to suggest that it was stormy during the hijacking.
Robert your experience in November was pretty much dead on ! Also the temperature on Nov 24, 1971 was 46 degrees at 7 pm and 44 degrees at 10 Pm ! Now if any of you spent much time in Oregon or Washington fishing or Hunting, you would realize that keeping warm and comfortable in this typical weather is no big deal. I mentioned I delivered mail in far colder and stayed pretty warm in minus 40 wind chill in the High altitudes of the Wallowa Mountains ! What’s the key ? Wear Wool ! Check out the heating qualities of wool in wet weather ! Nobody knows for sure what Cooper was wearing underneath ? Also a wool cap, socks and gloves could easily fit in that bag he brought along ! Why do you think skiers wear wool in Oregon and Washington ? Same for Letter Carriers ! If you get wet, wool sure helps here in the Pacific NW.
 
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« Reply #4625 on: February 15, 2021, 04:15:14 PM »
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So I am watching this show on YouTube that is based on Richard Floyd McCoy being DB Cooper.  Some of them are hell bent it was him.  It sure looked like a copy cat job but they said he could not have known that DB wrote the demands on the same type of form McCoy used?  I wonder how he could have made it to Vegas but I guess he could have gotten a ride or had a car hidden had he made it out of the woods quickly.  A bit of a tall order given the weather.  So do you all have evidence that it could not have been him?

So this show says 4 weeks ago but much of it is from the show with the late Robert Stack from Unsolved Mysteries.  So it was perhaps put together recently?  By some other nobody fly by night that wants a piece of the action.

I’m once again humored by your comment about the weather ! You said “ A bit of a tall order considering the weather “. I’ve lived in Portland most of me life. I delivered mail in Portland for 28 years always an outdoor walking route ! I lived in Portland on Nov 24, 1971. The weather that day was as typical normal as it could possibly have been. Check the weather report for that day ! There was NO snow or ice ! There was NO strong wind ! The temperature was exactly within the typical temperature for that day !The precipitation was like .19 !  Don’t get fooled and caught up in a bunch of BS stories ! I remember the day well ! The FBI probably would love to exaggerate the weather as a fierce stormy day as their inability to solve the crime is embarrassing to them ! They want him dead in the jump !

I made it a point to be in Portland/Vancouver in mid-November 2009 (I think it was) to see what the weather was like.  As I remember it, the temperature was in the mid-40s ever day and night, and it rained off and on ever day I was there.

Kermit and Haggar are right, there is nothing in the actual measured weather data to suggest that it was stormy during the hijacking.
Robert your experience in November was pretty much dead on ! Also the temperature on Nov 24, 1971 was 46 degrees at 7 pm and 44 degrees at 10 Pm ! Now if any of you spent much time in Oregon or Washington fishing or Hunting, you would realize that keeping warm and comfortable in this typical weather is no big deal. I mentioned I delivered mail in far colder and stayed pretty warm in minus 40 wind chill in the High altitudes of the Wallowa Mountains ! What’s the key ? Wear Wool ! Check out the heating qualities of wool in wet weather ! Nobody knows for sure what Cooper was wearing underneath ? Also a wool cap, socks and gloves could easily fit in that bag he brought along ! Why do you think skiers wear wool in Oregon and Washington ? Same for Letter Carriers ! If you get wet, wool sure helps here in the Pacific NW.

Testimony like this should be preserved and brought out anytime anyone talks about it being a huge storm, or ice, or below zero, etc. 

The easiest thing for Cooper to do to stay warm would be to wrap himself in a parachute.  Lighting a fire would work too, but that would have been a bit risky.
 
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« Reply #4626 on: February 15, 2021, 04:26:34 PM »
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So I am watching this show on YouTube that is based on Richard Floyd McCoy being DB Cooper.  Some of them are hell bent it was him.  It sure looked like a copy cat job but they said he could not have known that DB wrote the demands on the same type of form McCoy used?  I wonder how he could have made it to Vegas but I guess he could have gotten a ride or had a car hidden had he made it out of the woods quickly.  A bit of a tall order given the weather.  So do you all have evidence that it could not have been him?

So this show says 4 weeks ago but much of it is from the show with the late Robert Stack from Unsolved Mysteries.  So it was perhaps put together recently?  By some other nobody fly by night that wants a piece of the action.

I’m once again humored by your comment about the weather ! You said “ A bit of a tall order considering the weather “. I’ve lived in Portland most of me life. I delivered mail in Portland for 28 years always an outdoor walking route ! I lived in Portland on Nov 24, 1971. The weather that day was as typical normal as it could possibly have been. Check the weather report for that day ! There was NO snow or ice ! There was NO strong wind ! The temperature was exactly within the typical temperature for that day !The precipitation was like .19 !  Don’t get fooled and caught up in a bunch of BS stories ! I remember the day well ! The FBI probably would love to exaggerate the weather as a fierce stormy day as their inability to solve the crime is embarrassing to them ! They want him dead in the jump !

I made it a point to be in Portland/Vancouver in mid-November 2009 (I think it was) to see what the weather was like.  As I remember it, the temperature was in the mid-40s ever day and night, and it rained off and on ever day I was there.

Kermit and Haggar are right, there is nothing in the actual measured weather data to suggest that it was stormy during the hijacking.
Robert your experience in November was pretty much dead on ! Also the temperature on Nov 24, 1971 was 46 degrees at 7 pm and 44 degrees at 10 Pm ! Now if any of you spent much time in Oregon or Washington fishing or Hunting, you would realize that keeping warm and comfortable in this typical weather is no big deal. I mentioned I delivered mail in far colder and stayed pretty warm in minus 40 wind chill in the High altitudes of the Wallowa Mountains ! What’s the key ? Wear Wool ! Check out the heating qualities of wool in wet weather ! Nobody knows for sure what Cooper was wearing underneath ? Also a wool cap, socks and gloves could easily fit in that bag he brought along ! Why do you think skiers wear wool in Oregon and Washington ? Same for Letter Carriers ! If you get wet, wool sure helps here in the Pacific NW.

Testimony like this should be preserved and brought out anytime anyone talks about it being a huge storm, or ice, or below zero, etc. 

The easiest thing for Cooper to do to stay warm would be to wrap himself in a parachute.  Lighting a fire would work too, but that would have been a bit risky.

During the filming of our History Channel show we featured a survivalist. He was in the field with us on what were conditions very similar to those faced by DBC. He stated that surviving would have been quite easy if DBC wasn't injured. He also stated that the biggest threat was hypothermia which was easily combated by continued walking. Therefore, as long as DBC could walk and continued to walk, he should have easily been able to stay warm and survive.
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« Reply #4627 on: February 15, 2021, 05:22:40 PM »
Excellent points Kermit!
 
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« Reply #4628 on: February 22, 2021, 07:10:32 AM »
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So I am watching this show on YouTube that is based on Richard Floyd McCoy being DB Cooper.  Some of them are hell bent it was him.  It sure looked like a copy cat job but they said he could not have known that DB wrote the demands on the same type of form McCoy used?  I wonder how he could have made it to Vegas but I guess he could have gotten a ride or had a car hidden had he made it out of the woods quickly.  A bit of a tall order given the weather.  So do you all have evidence that it could not have been him?

So this show says 4 weeks ago but much of it is from the show with the late Robert Stack from Unsolved Mysteries.  So it was perhaps put together recently?  By some other nobody fly by night that wants a piece of the action.

I’m once again humored by your comment about the weather ! You said “ A bit of a tall order considering the weather “. I’ve lived in Portland most of me life. I delivered mail in Portland for 28 years always an outdoor walking route ! I lived in Portland on Nov 24, 1971. The weather that day was as typical normal as it could possibly have been. Check the weather report for that day ! There was NO snow or ice ! There was NO strong wind ! The temperature was exactly within the typical temperature for that day !The precipitation was like .19 !  Don’t get fooled and caught up in a bunch of BS stories ! I remember the day well ! The FBI probably would love to exaggerate the weather as a fierce stormy day as their inability to solve the crime is embarrassing to them ! They want him dead in the jump !

I made it a point to be in Portland/Vancouver in mid-November 2009 (I think it was) to see what the weather was like.  As I remember it, the temperature was in the mid-40s ever day and night, and it rained off and on ever day I was there.

Kermit and Haggar are right, there is nothing in the actual measured weather data to suggest that it was stormy during the hijacking.
Robert your experience in November was pretty much dead on ! Also the temperature on Nov 24, 1971 was 46 degrees at 7 pm and 44 degrees at 10 Pm ! Now if any of you spent much time in Oregon or Washington fishing or Hunting, you would realize that keeping warm and comfortable in this typical weather is no big deal. I mentioned I delivered mail in far colder and stayed pretty warm in minus 40 wind chill in the High altitudes of the Wallowa Mountains ! What’s the key ? Wear Wool ! Check out the heating qualities of wool in wet weather ! Nobody knows for sure what Cooper was wearing underneath ? Also a wool cap, socks and gloves could easily fit in that bag he brought along ! Why do you think skiers wear wool in Oregon and Washington ? Same for Letter Carriers ! If you get wet, wool sure helps here in the Pacific NW.

Testimony like this should be preserved and brought out anytime anyone talks about it being a huge storm, or ice, or below zero, etc. 

The easiest thing for Cooper to do to stay warm would be to wrap himself in a parachute.  Lighting a fire would work too, but that would have been a bit risky.

During the filming of our History Channel show we featured a survivalist. He was in the field with us on what were conditions very similar to those faced by DBC. He stated that surviving would have been quite easy if DBC wasn't injured. He also stated that the biggest threat was hypothermia which was easily combated by continued walking. Therefore, as long as DBC could walk and continued to walk, he should have easily been able to stay warm and survive.

I am convinced he made it.  If he had perished, much would have been found.   His remains, clothes (with the help of the dogs), and not to mention those shiny red cylinders, and a ton of $20 dollar bills. I just think the late FBI agent, God rest his soul, was just trying to downplay how well DB Cooper had planned this.  Calling him a common criminal when he was anything but that.  He was way ahead of the game given the year, 1971.  More were using guns and robbing Brinks trucks and banks.  This one is for the ages. If anyone on the list is him, I would pick Rackstraw but I believe its been stated he was too young to be DB?
 

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« Reply #4629 on: February 22, 2021, 01:45:09 PM »
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So I am watching this show on YouTube that is based on Richard Floyd McCoy being DB Cooper.  Some of them are hell bent it was him.  It sure looked like a copy cat job but they said he could not have known that DB wrote the demands on the same type of form McCoy used?  I wonder how he could have made it to Vegas but I guess he could have gotten a ride or had a car hidden had he made it out of the woods quickly.  A bit of a tall order given the weather.  So do you all have evidence that it could not have been him?

So this show says 4 weeks ago but much of it is from the show with the late Robert Stack from Unsolved Mysteries.  So it was perhaps put together recently?  By some other nobody fly by night that wants a piece of the action.

I’m once again humored by your comment about the weather ! You said “ A bit of a tall order considering the weather “. I’ve lived in Portland most of me life. I delivered mail in Portland for 28 years always an outdoor walking route ! I lived in Portland on Nov 24, 1971. The weather that day was as typical normal as it could possibly have been. Check the weather report for that day ! There was NO snow or ice ! There was NO strong wind ! The temperature was exactly within the typical temperature for that day !The precipitation was like .19 !  Don’t get fooled and caught up in a bunch of BS stories ! I remember the day well ! The FBI probably would love to exaggerate the weather as a fierce stormy day as their inability to solve the crime is embarrassing to them ! They want him dead in the jump !

I made it a point to be in Portland/Vancouver in mid-November 2009 (I think it was) to see what the weather was like.  As I remember it, the temperature was in the mid-40s ever day and night, and it rained off and on ever day I was there.

Kermit and Haggar are right, there is nothing in the actual measured weather data to suggest that it was stormy during the hijacking.
Robert your experience in November was pretty much dead on ! Also the temperature on Nov 24, 1971 was 46 degrees at 7 pm and 44 degrees at 10 Pm ! Now if any of you spent much time in Oregon or Washington fishing or Hunting, you would realize that keeping warm and comfortable in this typical weather is no big deal. I mentioned I delivered mail in far colder and stayed pretty warm in minus 40 wind chill in the High altitudes of the Wallowa Mountains ! What’s the key ? Wear Wool ! Check out the heating qualities of wool in wet weather ! Nobody knows for sure what Cooper was wearing underneath ? Also a wool cap, socks and gloves could easily fit in that bag he brought along ! Why do you think skiers wear wool in Oregon and Washington ? Same for Letter Carriers ! If you get wet, wool sure helps here in the Pacific NW.

Testimony like this should be preserved and brought out anytime anyone talks about it being a huge storm, or ice, or below zero, etc. 

The easiest thing for Cooper to do to stay warm would be to wrap himself in a parachute.  Lighting a fire would work too, but that would have been a bit risky.

During the filming of our History Channel show we featured a survivalist. He was in the field with us on what were conditions very similar to those faced by DBC. He stated that surviving would have been quite easy if DBC wasn't injured. He also stated that the biggest threat was hypothermia which was easily combated by continued walking. Therefore, as long as DBC could walk and continued to walk, he should have easily been able to stay warm and survive.

I am convinced he made it.  If he had perished, much would have been found.   His remains, clothes (with the help of the dogs), and not to mention those shiny red cylinders, and a ton of $20 dollar bills. I just think the late FBI agent, God rest his soul, was just trying to downplay how well DB Cooper had planned this.  Calling him a common criminal when he was anything but that.  He was way ahead of the game given the year, 1971.  More were using guns and robbing Brinks trucks and banks.  This one is for the ages. If anyone on the list is him, I would pick Rackstraw but I believe its been stated he was too young to be DB?

Cooper probably got lost in the "white noise" of random clutter. 

There was one reject suspect that had a background in the nuclear industry. Not until Tom's work did that even become relevant, years after the fact.   

I posted 302s about this guy months ago but that got swept away quickly in the white noise here... 
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« Reply #4630 on: February 22, 2021, 10:08:34 PM »
We have a lot of variables to consider calling him dead or alive. did they look in the right place, lots of the search area was thick brush. did he take the case or toss it. if he tossed it he might of emptied the contents prior to tossing the case. it's literally, extra luggage. if he survived, he kept his mouth shut which is uncommon with most crimes. they end up telling people at some point.

Certain pictures of Rackstraw do make him appear older than his real age. McCoy is another example of not looking his age. still doesn't make them Cooper. both have been ruled out for multiple reasons, prints, DNA witnesses etc. even Duane Weber in his younger years looks like Cooper. he couldn't even steal a woman's purse without getting caught. the guy spent half his life in prison over stupid mistakes.

I would like to believe he made it and beat them. I just don't know...
 

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So I am watching this show on YouTube that is based on Richard Floyd McCoy being DB Cooper.  Some of them are hell bent it was him.  It sure looked like a copy cat job but they said he could not have known that DB wrote the demands on the same type of form McCoy used?  I wonder how he could have made it to Vegas but I guess he could have gotten a ride or had a car hidden had he made it out of the woods quickly.  A bit of a tall order given the weather.  So do you all have evidence that it could not have been him?

So this show says 4 weeks ago but much of it is from the show with the late Robert Stack from Unsolved Mysteries.  So it was perhaps put together recently?  By some other nobody fly by night that wants a piece of the action.

I’m once again humored by your comment about the weather ! You said “ A bit of a tall order considering the weather “. I’ve lived in Portland most of me life. I delivered mail in Portland for 28 years always an outdoor walking route ! I lived in Portland on Nov 24, 1971. The weather that day was as typical normal as it could possibly have been. Check the weather report for that day ! There was NO snow or ice ! There was NO strong wind ! The temperature was exactly within the typical temperature for that day !The precipitation was like .19 !  Don’t get fooled and caught up in a bunch of BS stories ! I remember the day well ! The FBI probably would love to exaggerate the weather as a fierce stormy day as their inability to solve the crime is embarrassing to them ! They want him dead in the jump !

I made it a point to be in Portland/Vancouver in mid-November 2009 (I think it was) to see what the weather was like.  As I remember it, the temperature was in the mid-40s ever day and night, and it rained off and on ever day I was there.

Kermit and Haggar are right, there is nothing in the actual measured weather data to suggest that it was stormy during the hijacking.
Robert your experience in November was pretty much dead on ! Also the temperature on Nov 24, 1971 was 46 degrees at 7 pm and 44 degrees at 10 Pm ! Now if any of you spent much time in Oregon or Washington fishing or Hunting, you would realize that keeping warm and comfortable in this typical weather is no big deal. I mentioned I delivered mail in far colder and stayed pretty warm in minus 40 wind chill in the High altitudes of the Wallowa Mountains ! What’s the key ? Wear Wool ! Check out the heating qualities of wool in wet weather ! Nobody knows for sure what Cooper was wearing underneath ? Also a wool cap, socks and gloves could easily fit in that bag he brought along ! Why do you think skiers wear wool in Oregon and Washington ? Same for Letter Carriers ! If you get wet, wool sure helps here in the Pacific NW.

Testimony like this should be preserved and brought out anytime anyone talks about it being a huge storm, or ice, or below zero, etc. 

The easiest thing for Cooper to do to stay warm would be to wrap himself in a parachute.  Lighting a fire would work too, but that would have been a bit risky.

During the filming of our History Channel show we featured a survivalist. He was in the field with us on what were conditions very similar to those faced by DBC. He stated that surviving would have been quite easy if DBC wasn't injured. He also stated that the biggest threat was hypothermia which was easily combated by continued walking. Therefore, as long as DBC could walk and continued to walk, he should have easily been able to stay warm and survive.

I am convinced he made it.  If he had perished, much would have been found.   His remains, clothes (with the help of the dogs), and not to mention those shiny red cylinders, and a ton of $20 dollar bills. I just think the late FBI agent, God rest his soul, was just trying to downplay how well DB Cooper had planned this.  Calling him a common criminal when he was anything but that.  He was way ahead of the game given the year, 1971.  More were using guns and robbing Brinks trucks and banks.  This one is for the ages. If anyone on the list is him, I would pick Rackstraw but I believe its been stated he was too young to be DB?

Cooper probably got lost in the "white noise" of random clutter. 

There was one reject suspect that had a background in the nuclear industry. Not until Tom's work did that even become relevant, years after the fact.   

I posted 302s about this guy months ago but that got swept away quickly in the white noise here...

There was an electrician who worked for a chemical company in the last batch that I mentioned. Maybe if that electrician was in a bar in Boseman or something people would notice...
 

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« Reply #4632 on: February 24, 2021, 02:28:22 PM »
Andrade says at DZ: "Himmelsbach may have at one point been convinced by Jo about Duane. FBI agents are real people with differing opinions and are fallible. "

The FBI including H knew exactly who Duane Weber was and who he was not. Jo literally invaded people's lives with her Cooper Franchise and this forced people to have to deal with her. Jo became a social-political force. Two people that became involved with that were Galen Cook and Bruce Smith. Compulsive curiosity forces some people to engage in extreme behavior. Jo's massive networking behind the scenes always offered the chance that Jo might know something, that nobody else knew.

What Cooper Franchises operate today? Robert Blevins is one . . .
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« Reply #4633 on: February 27, 2021, 11:21:28 AM »
I just do not get why so many false confessions. And we know they all cannot be the real DB.  Likely none of them were.  What is their motivation?  To lie?
 

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« Reply #4634 on: February 27, 2021, 12:10:02 PM »
People lie for different reasons. it helps backup things they are trying to say or do. Jo was convinced no matter what you would tell her. she more than likely convinced herself. some do it it for attention. law enforcement has problems with false confessions. people just insert themselves into crimes having nothing to do with the crime.

Many will bend the truth or add mystery to it to make it more convincing. the longer it goes the more protective they become. you start really looking into things and serious doubt begins to surface. conflicts and stories don't add up.

Imagine being a divorce lawyer and hearing both sides. some even try to put each other in prison and will lie as much as they can to try and make it happen or try and ruin your career. these people at one point were very much in love and just threw it out the door.
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