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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4995 on: May 26, 2022, 04:23:17 PM »
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FWIW, Flyjack has a pretty good breakdown of the RemCru stuff on Dropzone. TL;DR is that some very large and unfounded assumptions were made in the EU vid, unsupported by either the particles or the patent. (Tom Kaye's original analysis did not suggest the alloy that EU runs with, and even if it had, it's not the one in the patent, and even if it were, there's nothing that says it can't be found elsewhere.)

I will let you in on a BIG SECRET.   

We know!   :rofl:

   
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4996 on: May 26, 2022, 11:08:04 PM »
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I think Eric, much like anyone else with a theory deserves to be heard out. His theory and his evidence, like everyone else's, should be thoroughly investigated and vetted. This is an ideal place to do that. My point is let's not dismiss it out of hand.

For my part, the first step is actually identifying the alloy EU is referring to. I posted the identifyers in the McCrone speadsheets on the CS site above. Anyone want to take a stab at find out the titanium-antimony alloy that Eric is talking about?

Chaucer, I think this is how to find it in the Mcrone Spreadsheet:

Sample 674, #1163  ---> Mcrone 600 Series, Tab: MA-16-550-674F, Row 136


Sample 675, #14370 and #26436  ---> Mcrone 600 Series, Tab: MA-16-550-675F, Row 16 and Row 15 respectively.

See attached pics for the 674/1163 reference....looks like Titanium and Antimony samples to me, the percentages are specified, keep scrolling to right once you highlight the row.

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« Reply #4997 on: May 27, 2022, 12:19:25 PM »
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I think Eric, much like anyone else with a theory deserves to be heard out. His theory and his evidence, like everyone else's, should be thoroughly investigated and vetted. This is an ideal place to do that. My point is let's not dismiss it out of hand.

For my part, the first step is actually identifying the alloy EU is referring to. I posted the identifyers in the McCrone speadsheets on the CS site above. Anyone want to take a stab at find out the titanium-antimony alloy that Eric is talking about?



Chaucer, I think this is how to find it in the Mcrone Spreadsheet:

Sample 674, #1163  ---> Mcrone 600 Series, Tab: MA-16-550-674F, Row 136


Sample 675, #14370 and #26436  ---> Mcrone 600 Series, Tab: MA-16-550-675F, Row 16 and Row 15 respectively.

See attached pics for the 674/1163 reference....looks like Titanium and Antimony samples to me, the percentages are specified, keep scrolling to right once you highlight the row.

Yes, they are indeed three individual particles of titanium antimony alloy (TiSb). I have been doing my due dill in regards to EU's discovery and here is what I know so far. There are three inventors credited on the patent EU found none of which actually were employed by crucible steel or REM-CRU. They all appeared to work for a company called Battelle in Columbus OH. This got me curious about what the actual relationship was between these guys at Battelle and REM-CRU. So I did some more digging and learned that around 1950 - 51 alloy development studies were getting underway funded by various government agencies. A commercial research project on alloy development began at Battelle Memorial Institute in Columbus OH. This project was headed by Robert Jaffe and his team of engineers at what they called the titanium metals research lab there at Battelle. Of note Robert Jaffe is one of the inventors credited on the TiSb patent. It turns out Battelle is a non profit corporation and legally couldn't generate any revenue from any patents they filled so they needed a for profit company to assign them to and that's where I suspect REM-CRU comes in on the business side of things for whatever arrangement they had. This research project was ultimately a success in a metallurgical sense as it birthed the Ti 6/4 alloy which would become the most important for aerospace applications and used on the sr-71 blackbird. Over the course of this research project at Battelle many compositions for a broad range of alloys were examined and numerous patents were filed. It was early early days of R&D and often these guys would have to go down some blind alleys before they figure out what worked. This experimental phase of the project seems to have birthed this TiSb alloy of which we see three particles of on coopers tie. Unfortunately a commercial application wasn't in the cards for this alloy which ended up being of no significance to Jaffe and his team but for us finding cooper it could be HUGE as these circumstances greatly limit the exposure that would of been had to this particular TiSb alloy. Now EU has come to the conclusion that Battelle sent the TiSb alloy to the crucible steel/REM-CRU research team which were only like 8-9 guys that worked out of the Robinson research lab in Pitt and they continued to toy/experiment with the alloy as they owned the patent rights... which could very well be but I want to make certain this isn't a red herring. Eric is in talk with a former member of the crucible research team who started in 55... a nice Indian gent by the name of Vijay who has provided EU with the name of a coworker he thinks fits the Bill for candidacy. Eric is in the process of vetting this individual and I am furthering my investigation into the backstory of the TiSb seemingly trying to retrace it's steps. I was able to locate the principal metallurgical engineer at Battelle from 1955 to 1962. Based on his voicemail mail recording which I got this morning (left vm) he's still alive and coherent enough to have a conversation with. I'm hoping he can shed some more light on the TiSb for us... if not it's down to an old basement at the old rem-cru building in Midland PA I go... where all there files and titanium samples still remain. This is very much a real time active investigation going on right now and I'll try my best to keep you guys a breast over here at the forum as things continue to unfold.

What a time to be a Cooperite!

Over and Out,

Nicky
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« Reply #4998 on: May 27, 2022, 02:51:16 PM »
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I think Eric, much like anyone else with a theory deserves to be heard out. His theory and his evidence, like everyone else's, should be thoroughly investigated and vetted. This is an ideal place to do that. My point is let's not dismiss it out of hand.

For my part, the first step is actually identifying the alloy EU is referring to. I posted the identifyers in the McCrone speadsheets on the CS site above. Anyone want to take a stab at find out the titanium-antimony alloy that Eric is talking about?



Chaucer, I think this is how to find it in the Mcrone Spreadsheet:

Sample 674, #1163  ---> Mcrone 600 Series, Tab: MA-16-550-674F, Row 136


Sample 675, #14370 and #26436  ---> Mcrone 600 Series, Tab: MA-16-550-675F, Row 16 and Row 15 respectively.

See attached pics for the 674/1163 reference....looks like Titanium and Antimony samples to me, the percentages are specified, keep scrolling to right once you highlight the row.

Yes, they are indeed three individual particles of titanium antimony alloy (TiSb). I have been doing my due dill in regards to EU's discovery and here is what I know so far. There are three inventors credited on the patent EU found none of which actually were employed by crucible steel or REM-CRU. They all appeared to work for a company called Battelle in Columbus OH. This got me curious about what the actual relationship was between these guys at Battelle and REM-CRU. So I did some more digging and learned that around 1950 - 51 alloy development studies were getting underway funded by various government agencies. A commercial research project on alloy development began at Battelle Memorial Institute in Columbus OH. This project was headed by Robert Jaffe and his team of engineers at what they called the titanium metals research lab there at Battelle. Of note Robert Jaffe is one of the inventors credited on the TiSb patent. It turns out Battelle is a non profit corporation and legally couldn't generate any revenue from any patents they filled so they needed a for profit company to assign them to and that's where I suspect REM-CRU comes in on the business side of things for whatever arrangement they had. This research project was ultimately a success in a metallurgical sense as it birthed the Ti 6/4 alloy which would become the most important for aerospace applications and used on the sr-71 blackbird. Over the course of this research project at Battelle many compositions for a broad range of alloys were examined and numerous patents were filed. It was early early days of R&D and often these guys would have to go down some blind alleys before they figure out what worked. This experimental phase of the project seems to have birthed this TiSb alloy of which we see three particles of on coopers tie. Unfortunately a commercial application wasn't in the cards for this alloy which ended up being of no significance to Jaffe and his team but for us finding cooper it could be HUGE as these circumstances greatly limit the exposure that would of been had to this particular TiSb alloy. Now EU has come to the conclusion that Battelle sent the TiSb alloy to the crucible steel/REM-CRU research team which were only like 8-9 guys that worked out of the Robinson research lab in Pitt and they continued to toy/experiment with the alloy as they owned the patent rights... which could very well be but I want to make certain this isn't a red herring. Eric is in talk with a former member of the crucible research team who started in 55... a nice Indian gent by the name of Vijay who has provided EU with the name of a coworker he thinks fits the Bill for candidacy. Eric is in the process of vetting this individual and I am furthering my investigation into the backstory of the TiSb seemingly trying to retrace it's steps. I was able to locate the principal metallurgical engineer at Battelle from 1955 to 1962. Based on his voicemail mail recording which I got this morning (left vm) he's still alive and coherent enough to have a conversation with. I'm hoping he can shed some more light on the TiSb for us... if not it's down to an old basement at the old rem-cru building in Midland PA I go... where all there files and titanium samples still remain. This is very much a real time active investigation going on right now and I'll try my best to keep you guys a breast over here at the forum as things continue to unfold.

What a time to be a Cooperite!

Over and Out,

Nicky

Has anyone bothered to do some SEM work on this thing? Is it an electronic part (capacitor) as alleged at DZ or something else? Can we see a  photo of the thing! ?

Who has the particle in question? Why has this evolved into a 2000 Act Drama for Prime Time vs simple science! ?  Dont drop the particle on the floor!  :o 

Over & out Veronka
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« Reply #4999 on: May 27, 2022, 03:39:41 PM »
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I think Eric, much like anyone else with a theory deserves to be heard out. His theory and his evidence, like everyone else's, should be thoroughly investigated and vetted. This is an ideal place to do that. My point is let's not dismiss it out of hand.

For my part, the first step is actually identifying the alloy EU is referring to. I posted the identifyers in the McCrone speadsheets on the CS site above. Anyone want to take a stab at find out the titanium-antimony alloy that Eric is talking about?



Chaucer, I think this is how to find it in the Mcrone Spreadsheet:

Sample 674, #1163  ---> Mcrone 600 Series, Tab: MA-16-550-674F, Row 136


Sample 675, #14370 and #26436  ---> Mcrone 600 Series, Tab: MA-16-550-675F, Row 16 and Row 15 respectively.

See attached pics for the 674/1163 reference....looks like Titanium and Antimony samples to me, the percentages are specified, keep scrolling to right once you highlight the row.

Yes, they are indeed three individual particles of titanium antimony alloy (TiSb). I have been doing my due dill in regards to EU's discovery and here is what I know so far. There are three inventors credited on the patent EU found none of which actually were employed by crucible steel or REM-CRU. They all appeared to work for a company called Battelle in Columbus OH. This got me curious about what the actual relationship was between these guys at Battelle and REM-CRU. So I did some more digging and learned that around 1950 - 51 alloy development studies were getting underway funded by various government agencies. A commercial research project on alloy development began at Battelle Memorial Institute in Columbus OH. This project was headed by Robert Jaffe and his team of engineers at what they called the titanium metals research lab there at Battelle. Of note Robert Jaffe is one of the inventors credited on the TiSb patent. It turns out Battelle is a non profit corporation and legally couldn't generate any revenue from any patents they filled so they needed a for profit company to assign them to and that's where I suspect REM-CRU comes in on the business side of things for whatever arrangement they had. This research project was ultimately a success in a metallurgical sense as it birthed the Ti 6/4 alloy which would become the most important for aerospace applications and used on the sr-71 blackbird. Over the course of this research project at Battelle many compositions for a broad range of alloys were examined and numerous patents were filed. It was early early days of R&D and often these guys would have to go down some blind alleys before they figure out what worked. This experimental phase of the project seems to have birthed this TiSb alloy of which we see three particles of on coopers tie. Unfortunately a commercial application wasn't in the cards for this alloy which ended up being of no significance to Jaffe and his team but for us finding cooper it could be HUGE as these circumstances greatly limit the exposure that would of been had to this particular TiSb alloy. Now EU has come to the conclusion that Battelle sent the TiSb alloy to the crucible steel/REM-CRU research team which were only like 8-9 guys that worked out of the Robinson research lab in Pitt and they continued to toy/experiment with the alloy as they owned the patent rights... which could very well be but I want to make certain this isn't a red herring. Eric is in talk with a former member of the crucible research team who started in 55... a nice Indian gent by the name of Vijay who has provided EU with the name of a coworker he thinks fits the Bill for candidacy. Eric is in the process of vetting this individual and I am furthering my investigation into the backstory of the TiSb seemingly trying to retrace it's steps. I was able to locate the principal metallurgical engineer at Battelle from 1955 to 1962. Based on his voicemail mail recording which I got this morning (left vm) he's still alive and coherent enough to have a conversation with. I'm hoping he can shed some more light on the TiSb for us... if not it's down to an old basement at the old rem-cru building in Midland PA I go... where all there files and titanium samples still remain. This is very much a real time active investigation going on right now and I'll try my best to keep you guys a breast over here at the forum as things continue to unfold.

What a time to be a Cooperite!

Over and Out,

Nicky

Has anyone bothered to do some SEM work on this thing? Is it an electronic part (capacitor) as alleged at DZ or something else? Can we see a  photo of the thing! ?

Who has the particle in question? Why has this evolved into a 2000 Act Drama for Prime Time vs simple science! ?  Dont drop the particle on the floor!  :o 

Over & out Veronka

We got it covered Jerry… just sit back grab your beverage of choice with some popcorn and enjoy the prime time Tv.

Roll Em!

Nicky
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #5000 on: May 27, 2022, 07:04:54 PM »
Just to keep things light, did anyone notice how close we were to check mate ?   :D

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« Reply #5001 on: May 28, 2022, 12:09:31 AM »
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Has anyone bothered to do some SEM work on this thing?
What is SEM work?
 

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« Reply #5002 on: May 28, 2022, 12:28:05 AM »
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Has anyone bothered to do some SEM work on this thing?
What is SEM work?


Electrons microscopy….
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« Reply #5003 on: May 28, 2022, 10:22:35 AM »
What would this reveal about the alloy or particle? Its exact composition?

We already know the exact composition from McCrone.

 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #5004 on: May 29, 2022, 04:39:16 PM »
And you wanna shut down the GOAT podcast at a time like this.. oh yeah and Larry Carr retired as well...

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Ru more. Plus its not even accessible to some. Ulis saw to that! Kaye says this - Kaye says that. Kaye hasnt posted here in a year. We thot we knew him!  :-\   

Ulis has taken the Cooper case to a new level not even accessible to mere mortals. Kaye followed right along. 

Its beyond human comprehension ?  ;)

[DB Cooper was a unicorn from the Fifth Dimension accessible only to a few with the right qualifications.]     

It’s comments like this that explain why it isn’t being discussed here. Are you feeling okay georger? Seems like a lot of the things you post don’t make any sense. I hope you’re okay.
 
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« Reply #5005 on: June 08, 2022, 10:17:50 AM »
Now there is a show on called Astonishing Legends.  2 or 3 part story.   Part 2 released last night.  Two guys talking about it but much nonsense in between.  So does anyone here believe Richard McCoy's daughter should be subjected to a lie detector test based on her allegations?  I certainly do.
 

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« Reply #5006 on: June 08, 2022, 11:13:31 AM »
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Now there is a show on called Astonishing Legends.  2 or 3 part story.   Part 2 released last night.  Two guys talking about it but much nonsense in between.  So does anyone here believe Richard McCoy's daughter should be subjected to a lie detector test based on her allegations?  I certainly do.

She's not obligated to do anything, if she wants people to believe her, then she should do it--it's really her call, she is the one making an extraordinary claim....just my 2 cents.
 

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« Reply #5007 on: June 08, 2022, 11:17:52 AM »
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  So does anyone here believe Richard McCoy's daughter should be subjected to a lie detector test based on her allegations?  I certainly do.

Unfortunately lie detector tests are notoriously inaccurate and prove nothing. She no doubt believes her story to be true, that doesn't mean it is.
 

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« Reply #5008 on: June 08, 2022, 12:32:29 PM »
I don't need Chante McCoy to take a lie-detector test. I just need her to talk to me.
 

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« Reply #5009 on: June 08, 2022, 01:08:20 PM »
Chante and her brother Little Rick are a strange case. They don't talk to anyone other than Dan Gruder, yet they came to CC21 and went drinking with everyone at the Victor 23 tavern. What's that all about? What they afraid of? If they don't like the cruelty of certain individuals, why not select those Cooperites they might be more comfortable with, or trust more deeply? If not me or Eric, for instance, how about Darren? Everybody loves Darren, no?
 
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