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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4980 on: May 25, 2022, 01:31:09 PM »
Regarding EU's Rem-Cru lead:

Nothing has been kept secret, and it is accessible to anyone. Eric's YouTube page is public, and his Facebook group is available to anyone who joins.

It is an interesting development worthy of discussion - here especially. I still have questions myself.

One, while Tom has said that this tie particle could be a titanium-antimony alloy, he also says it could be titanium coated in antimony. I'd like to see a bit more science to confirm that it is in fact what Eric is claiming.

Second, if it is the alloy that Eric claims, then we need to be sure that there could be no other sources besides Rem-Cru. If this alloy is found elsewhere, it diminishes the idea that it is unique to a particular laboratory.

The other stuff such as his theory about what he did or didn't do with the money is kind of irrelevant. Thus, the question remains: is this particle what we think it is? And if it is, can it be found in other sources?

The other thing that doesn't make sense to me is that I cannot seem to locate the particle that Eric is referring to in the McCrone spreadsheets. These are the reference numbers that he says applies, but it isn't a titanium sample:

Sample 674, #1163
Sample 675, #14370 and #26436

I might be looking incorrecty...
 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4981 on: May 25, 2022, 02:46:02 PM »
I think Eric mentioned a sort of DNA fingerprint with the titanium alloy. Anyone know anything about this and how hard it would be for someone to produce the same alloy on their own account - either accidentally while trying to create a related material or from knowing about it and wanting to experiment?

Could a researcher based at a university in Portland who had been involved in the research have produced the molecules?
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4982 on: May 25, 2022, 03:12:56 PM »
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Read the book by Max Gunther.

Jack - many thanks for posting.

One line does seem to differ from the character in Gunthers book:

"He has a strong attachment to his father, or a father like figure despite having attachment issues to others close to him."

I think 'Dan LeClair' had lost his father early in life. How might that tally with the point above?
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4983 on: May 25, 2022, 03:57:15 PM »
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I think Eric mentioned a sort of DNA fingerprint with the titanium alloy.
I believe Eric used the phrase "commercial DNA" as a euphemism for an alloy that is specific to only one source. He was not referring to biological DNA.

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how hard it would be for someone to produce the same alloy on their own account - either accidentally while trying to create a related material or from knowing about it and wanting to experiment?
Any company or lab similar to Rem-Cru would have the potential to create this kind of alloy. Whether they did or not is a different story.

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Could a researcher based at a university in Portland who had been involved in the research have produced the molecules?
Given the same equipment, I don't see why that would be impossible. I can't answer definitively.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4984 on: May 25, 2022, 05:19:24 PM »
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Read the book by Max Gunther.

Jack - many thanks for posting.

One line does seem to differ from the character in Gunthers book:

"He has a strong attachment to his father, or a father like figure despite having attachment issues to others close to him."

I think 'Dan LeClair' had lost his father early in life. How might that tally with the point above?

Jay Ritchie:
Llosing ones father at whatever time in life unfortunately doesn't give us the necessary information to determine whether said person had a strong attachment to his father or not.

Personally, I am leaning towards God as the father like figure attachment which correlates with his interest/attendance at a Seminary School and this  would explain his personality detachment nature to  other human beings who are close to him like family, siblings, wife, children etc.

Thanks for the question Jay Ritchie.

Jack
 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4985 on: May 25, 2022, 05:47:31 PM »
Jack:

Many thanks for the response. I wonder if you could expand a little on the religious aspect and interest in a seminary school or equivalent. Would you see this as part of a passage through youth or something that may have become important later in life? Any more or less likely to be a convert rather than following the religion of his family?
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4986 on: May 25, 2022, 06:58:50 PM »
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Jack:

Many thanks for the response. I wonder if you could expand a little on the religious aspect and interest in a seminary school or equivalent. Would you see this as part of a passage through youth or something that may have become important later in life? Any more or less likely to be a convert rather than following the religion of his family?

Jay:
Cooper's personality traits towards people during this event were as if he felt personally bound by a higher covenant.
I would say this probably comes from a somewhat extensive exposure to a religion, most likely from growing up with it as it seems to be deeply imbedded in his nature.
The Seminary School training/interest could have been at anytime. In his youth, or even years after the hijacking.
I have contemplated that the 'grudge' may have been in regards a personal struggle with the church in some form.

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4987 on: May 25, 2022, 11:14:50 PM »
Jay:
Sorry, I didn't quite answer your last question.
I don't believe Cooper would have been a convert so to speak.
Maybe a convert from one religion belief to another, but not to religion itself.
It's possible he gave up on it at some point and then found it again.
But all in all, I think it was imbedded in him from an early age. How early, that I cannot say.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4988 on: May 25, 2022, 11:34:01 PM »
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I think Eric mentioned a sort of DNA fingerprint with the titanium alloy. Anyone know anything about this and how hard it would be for someone to produce the same alloy on their own account - either accidentally while trying to create a related material or from knowing about it and wanting to experiment?

Could a researcher based at a university in Portland who had been involved in the research have produced the molecules?

What has molecular dna (genetics) got to do with the atomic signature of a (metal)?

Titanium alloys do not have "genetic dna fingerprints"? 

What does: "Could a researcher based at a university in Portland who had been involved in the research have produced the molecules?" mean?  What molecules? What molecules are in titanium or any titanium alloy?

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 Compounds. In its compounds, titanium exhibits oxidation states of +2, +3, and +4, as in the oxygen compounds titanium monoxide, TiO, dititanium trioxide, Ti2O3, and titanium dioxide, TiO2, respectively. The +4 oxidation state is the most stable. The chemistry of titanium in the +2 state is rather restricted.  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4989 on: May 25, 2022, 11:39:05 PM »
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Jay:
Sorry, I didn't quite answer your last question.
I don't believe Cooper would have been a convert so to speak.
Maybe a convert from one religion belief to another, but not to religion itself.
It's possible he gave up on it at some point and then found it again.
But all in all, I think it was imbedded in him from an early age. How early, that I cannot say.

So from your profiling you have determined a church, or religious training/background for DB Cooper?  embedded in him from an early age. ?  ( I corrected your spelling)...

What were Cooper's views about Saint Mary, according to your analysis of his interactions with others?

How about Peter, Paul, and Mary and the Holy Trinity?   Or Silas and the Bethany String Band? 

What documents, texts/ accounts/ et cetera are you basing your analysis on ?  Any ?  Any standardised testing ?  What is the rock on which the tablet of your analysis is founded? 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4990 on: May 25, 2022, 11:57:38 PM »
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Regarding EU's Rem-Cru lead:

Nothing has been kept secret, and it is accessible to anyone. Eric's YouTube page is public, and his Facebook group is available to anyone who joins.

It is an interesting development worthy of discussion - here especially. I still have questions myself.

One, while Tom has said that this tie particle could be a titanium-antimony alloy, he also says it could be titanium coated in antimony. I'd like to see a bit more science to confirm that it is in fact what Eric is claiming.

Second, if it is the alloy that Eric claims, then we need to be sure that there could be no other sources besides Rem-Cru. If this alloy is found elsewhere, it diminishes the idea that it is unique to a particular laboratory.

The other stuff such as his theory about what he did or didn't do with the money is kind of irrelevant. Thus, the question remains: is this particle what we think it is? And if it is, can it be found in other sources?

The other thing that doesn't make sense to me is that I cannot seem to locate the particle that Eric is referring to in the McCrone spreadsheets. These are the reference numbers that he says applies, but it isn't a titanium sample:

Sample 674, #1163
Sample 675, #14370 and #26436

I might be looking incorrecty...

Not much one can say except it follows what has become the familiar EU pattern: find some alleged obscure factoid which then opens the doors to the Celestial Vault of TV Productions. ! From the obscure to the Grandiose all based on some obscure truth only EU has. Recall, EU is a card reader - card player. The right card opens all doors. All through a single alleged alloy of .... leading directly to DB Cooper himself and a brand new Josh Gates Special ... which only some genius could have discovered in the fine details of gamer chemistry ... Tom Kaye alleged to have signed off on but that is not quite certain yetsome. Tom has yet to play any card, some say ?

Sounds all too familiar. Smells all too familiar.  On a Facebook Group which the "owner" has the power to accept or reject whomever applies.

Time will tell. In these matters, content does not matter. Get ready fans! 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4991 on: May 26, 2022, 09:42:20 AM »
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Regarding EU's Rem-Cru lead:

Nothing has been kept secret, and it is accessible to anyone. Eric's YouTube page is public, and his Facebook group is available to anyone who joins.

It is an interesting development worthy of discussion - here especially. I still have questions myself.

One, while Tom has said that this tie particle could be a titanium-antimony alloy, he also says it could be titanium coated in antimony. I'd like to see a bit more science to confirm that it is in fact what Eric is claiming.

Second, if it is the alloy that Eric claims, then we need to be sure that there could be no other sources besides Rem-Cru. If this alloy is found elsewhere, it diminishes the idea that it is unique to a particular laboratory.

The other stuff such as his theory about what he did or didn't do with the money is kind of irrelevant. Thus, the question remains: is this particle what we think it is? And if it is, can it be found in other sources?

The other thing that doesn't make sense to me is that I cannot seem to locate the particle that Eric is referring to in the McCrone spreadsheets. These are the reference numbers that he says applies, but it isn't a titanium sample:

Sample 674, #1163
Sample 675, #14370 and #26436

I might be looking incorrecty...

Not much one can say except it follows what has become the familiar EU pattern: find some alleged obscure factoid which then opens the doors to the Celestial Vault of TV Productions. ! From the obscure to the Grandiose all based on some obscure truth only EU has. Recall, EU is a card reader - card player. The right card opens all doors. All through a single alleged alloy of .... leading directly to DB Cooper himself and a brand new Josh Gates Special ... which only some genius could have discovered in the fine details of gamer chemistry ... Tom Kaye alleged to have signed off on but that is not quite certain yetsome. Tom has yet to play any card, some say ?

Sounds all too familiar. Smells all too familiar.  On a Facebook Group which the "owner" has the power to accept or reject whomever applies.

Time will tell. In these matters, content does not matter. Get ready fans!
I think Eric, much like anyone else with a theory deserves to be heard out. His theory and his evidence, like everyone else's, should be thoroughly investigated and vetted. This is an ideal place to do that. My point is let's not dismiss it out of hand.

For my part, the first step is actually identifying the alloy EU is referring to. I posted the identifyers in the McCrone speadsheets on the CS site above. Anyone want to take a stab at find out the titanium-antimony alloy that Eric is talking about?
 

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« Reply #4992 on: May 26, 2022, 01:58:11 PM »
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Regarding EU's Rem-Cru lead:

Nothing has been kept secret, and it is accessible to anyone. Eric's YouTube page is public, and his Facebook group is available to anyone who joins.

It is an interesting development worthy of discussion - here especially. I still have questions myself.

One, while Tom has said that this tie particle could be a titanium-antimony alloy, he also says it could be titanium coated in antimony. I'd like to see a bit more science to confirm that it is in fact what Eric is claiming.

Second, if it is the alloy that Eric claims, then we need to be sure that there could be no other sources besides Rem-Cru. If this alloy is found elsewhere, it diminishes the idea that it is unique to a particular laboratory.

The other stuff such as his theory about what he did or didn't do with the money is kind of irrelevant. Thus, the question remains: is this particle what we think it is? And if it is, can it be found in other sources?

The other thing that doesn't make sense to me is that I cannot seem to locate the particle that Eric is referring to in the McCrone spreadsheets. These are the reference numbers that he says applies, but it isn't a titanium sample:

Sample 674, #1163
Sample 675, #14370 and #26436

I might be looking incorrecty...

Not much one can say except it follows what has become the familiar EU pattern: find some alleged obscure factoid which then opens the doors to the Celestial Vault of TV Productions. ! From the obscure to the Grandiose all based on some obscure truth only EU has. Recall, EU is a card reader - card player. The right card opens all doors. All through a single alleged alloy of .... leading directly to DB Cooper himself and a brand new Josh Gates Special ... which only some genius could have discovered in the fine details of gamer chemistry ... Tom Kaye alleged to have signed off on but that is not quite certain yetsome. Tom has yet to play any card, some say ?

Sounds all too familiar. Smells all too familiar.  On a Facebook Group which the "owner" has the power to accept or reject whomever applies.

Time will tell. In these matters, content does not matter. Get ready fans!
I think Eric, much like anyone else with a theory deserves to be heard out. His theory and his evidence, like everyone else's, should be thoroughly investigated and vetted. This is an ideal place to do that. My point is let's not dismiss it out of hand.

For my part, the first step is actually identifying the alloy EU is referring to. I posted the identifyers in the McCrone speadsheets on the CS site above. Anyone want to take a stab at find out the titanium-antimony alloy that Eric is talking about?

Hmmm. Talk about it.   Do you or EU have the specimen in your labs to test?  Do you plan to have it retested? What proof do you have that 'that specimen' came from the company EU has identified .... was made by them and the guys that worked there? 

Where is TK on this since his name has been thrown out?   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4993 on: May 26, 2022, 02:55:10 PM »
What tests could we conduct on the titanium-antimony alloy that would be beneficial to the investigation?

The evidence that this alloy came from this company is a patent for it from 1954. Whether that company is the ONLY source is a different question. Another question is "How can a rare particle from 1954 end up on a tie in 1971?"

I agree that having Tom weigh in on this issue would be nice. So far, he has been noncommittal.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4994 on: May 26, 2022, 04:05:25 PM »
FWIW, Flyjack has a pretty good breakdown of the RemCru stuff on Dropzone. TL;DR is that some very large and unfounded assumptions were made in the EU vid, unsupported by either the particles or the patent. (Tom Kaye's original analysis did not suggest the alloy that EU runs with, and even if it had, it's not the one in the patent, and even if it were, there's nothing that says it can't be found elsewhere.)
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