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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4605 on: February 06, 2021, 08:44:20 PM »
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« Reply #4606 on: February 06, 2021, 09:02:46 PM »
Was a joke...Eric's latest news...?
 

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« Reply #4607 on: February 13, 2021, 03:18:49 PM »
So I am watching this show on YouTube that is based on Richard Floyd McCoy being DB Cooper.  Some of them are hell bent it was him.  It sure looked like a copy cat job but they said he could not have known that DB wrote the demands on the same type of form McCoy used?  I wonder how he could have made it to Vegas but I guess he could have gotten a ride or had a car hidden had he made it out of the woods quickly.  A bit of a tall order given the weather.  So do you all have evidence that it could not have been him?

So this show says 4 weeks ago but much of it is from the show with the late Robert Stack from Unsolved Mysteries.  So it was perhaps put together recently?  By some other nobody fly by night that wants a piece of the action.
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« Reply #4608 on: February 13, 2021, 03:33:38 PM »
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So I am watching this show on YouTube that is based on Richard Floyd McCoy being DB Cooper.  Some of them are hell bent it was him.  It sure looked like a copy cat job but they said he could not have known that DB wrote the demands on the same type of form McCoy used?  I wonder how he could have made it to Vegas but I guess he could have gotten a ride or had a car hidden had he made it out of the woods quickly.  A bit of a tall order given the weather.  So do you all have evidence that it could not have been him?

So this show says 4 weeks ago but much of it is from the show with the late Robert Stack from Unsolved Mysteries.  So it was perhaps put together recently?  By some other nobody fly by night that wants a piece of the action.

witnesses dissqualified McCoy. No hard evidence could connect him. Simple as that.
 
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« Reply #4609 on: February 13, 2021, 03:50:02 PM »
Much of the "evidence" connecting McCoy to the crime in the Rhodes/Calume book was straight-up fabricated. Cooper did not have typewritten notes on cards, there was no BYU pin found on 305, the tie did not and COULD NOT have belonged to McCoy. McCoy WAS at his home on Thanksgiving, friends of the family put him there at 10am Thanksgiving day. Rhodes and Calume say they had 20+ connections to the case, but I only ever found eight in the book itself, and most were simply caused by the fact it was a copycat crime. The McCoy nonsense needs to be put to rest forever.
 
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« Reply #4610 on: February 13, 2021, 03:52:36 PM »
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Much of the "evidence" connecting McCoy to the crime in the Rhodes/Calume book was straight-up fabricated. Cooper did not have typewritten notes on cards, there was no BYU pin found on 305, the tie did not and COULD NOT have belonged to McCoy. McCoy WAS at his home on Thanksgiving, friends of the family put him there at 10am Thanksgiving day. Rhodes and Calume say they had 20+ connections to the case, but I only ever found eight in the book itself, and most were simply caused by the fact it was a copycat crime. The McCoy nonsense needs to be put to rest forever.

McCoy was not Latin   ........ in any form!
 
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« Reply #4611 on: February 13, 2021, 04:52:24 PM »
Hard for me to get past his ears. Seems like they would have stuck out (pun intended) to any of the eye witnesses that gave a description.
 

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« Reply #4612 on: February 13, 2021, 06:41:26 PM »
I don't think McCoy was Cooper, but I do believe McCoy was in Las Vegas on Thanksgiving Day - at least in the evening when he made a collect phone call to his home in Provo. Calame had the documents on that, and I believe him.

The Big Question is: What was Rick doing in Vegas????
 

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« Reply #4613 on: February 13, 2021, 07:08:23 PM »
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I don't think McCoy was Cooper, but I do believe McCoy was in Las Vegas on Thanksgiving Day - at least in the evening when he made a collect phone call to his home in Provo. Calame had the documents on that, and I believe him.

The Big Question is: What was Rick doing in Vegas????

He was gambling. He had money problems.

From what I remember in the FBI files, the FBI had him going to Vegas more than once. I remember one file showing that he and a group of guys got a hotel room. Not sure if it was before or after Norjak. Regardless, he likely went out there once in a while with military buddies. My guess is, he started to gamble when finances got tight at home and things spiraled from there.
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« Reply #4614 on: February 13, 2021, 08:05:37 PM »
Rick was in Vegas for two days in early November.

Marty, I'd love to see those 302s that indicate McCoy was with a  bunch o' buddies in Vegas. I hadn't heard of that before. Could you send me a link or something? Thanks -
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« Reply #4615 on: February 13, 2021, 09:35:10 PM »
I'll go through my notes and see. Otherwise Flyjack has the magic word search. I read the files when they come out, but I don't digitize or categorize every document. Way too much work.
 

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« Reply #4616 on: February 14, 2021, 01:40:03 AM »
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So I am watching this show on YouTube that is based on Richard Floyd McCoy being DB Cooper.  Some of them are hell bent it was him.  It sure looked like a copy cat job but they said he could not have known that DB wrote the demands on the same type of form McCoy used?  I wonder how he could have made it to Vegas but I guess he could have gotten a ride or had a car hidden had he made it out of the woods quickly.  A bit of a tall order given the weather.  So do you all have evidence that it could not have been him?

So this show says 4 weeks ago but much of it is from the show with the late Robert Stack from Unsolved Mysteries.  So it was perhaps put together recently?  By some other nobody fly by night that wants a piece of the action.

I’m once again humored by your comment about the weather ! You said “ A bit of a tall order considering the weather “. I’ve lived in Portland most of me life. I delivered mail in Portland for 28 years always an outdoor walking route ! I lived in Portland on Nov 24, 1971. The weather that day was as typical normal as it could possibly have been. Check the weather report for that day ! There was NO snow or ice ! There was NO strong wind ! The temperature was exactly within the typical temperature for that day !The precipitation was like .19 !  Don’t get fooled and caught up in a bunch of BS stories ! I remember the day well ! The FBI probably would love to exaggerate the weather as a fierce stormy day as their inability to solve the crime is embarrassing to them ! They want him dead in the jump !
 
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« Reply #4617 on: February 14, 2021, 05:34:15 AM »
I agree Kermit. I don't believe the weather was much of a problem. The temperature wouldn't have been a problem. Staying dry might have been an issue. His overcoat would have helped with this. I believe the notion that the weather was a big factor has been totally overblown.
 
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« Reply #4618 on: February 14, 2021, 04:22:45 PM »
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So I am watching this show on YouTube that is based on Richard Floyd McCoy being DB Cooper.  Some of them are hell bent it was him.  It sure looked like a copy cat job but they said he could not have known that DB wrote the demands on the same type of form McCoy used?  I wonder how he could have made it to Vegas but I guess he could have gotten a ride or had a car hidden had he made it out of the woods quickly.  A bit of a tall order given the weather.  So do you all have evidence that it could not have been him?

So this show says 4 weeks ago but much of it is from the show with the late Robert Stack from Unsolved Mysteries.  So it was perhaps put together recently?  By some other nobody fly by night that wants a piece of the action.

I’m once again humored by your comment about the weather ! You said “ A bit of a tall order considering the weather “. I’ve lived in Portland most of me life. I delivered mail in Portland for 28 years always an outdoor walking route ! I lived in Portland on Nov 24, 1971. The weather that day was as typical normal as it could possibly have been. Check the weather report for that day ! There was NO snow or ice ! There was NO strong wind ! The temperature was exactly within the typical temperature for that day !The precipitation was like .19 !  Don’t get fooled and caught up in a bunch of BS stories ! I remember the day well ! The FBI probably would love to exaggerate the weather as a fierce stormy day as their inability to solve the crime is embarrassing to them ! They want him dead in the jump !

I made it a point to be in Portland/Vancouver in mid-November 2009 (I think it was) to see what the weather was like.  As I remember it, the temperature was in the mid-40s ever day and night, and it rained off and on ever day I was there.

Kermit and Haggar are right, there is nothing in the actual measured weather data to suggest that it was stormy during the hijacking.
 
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« Reply #4619 on: February 14, 2021, 05:15:30 PM »
Weather isn’t necessarily the issue. How well one is protected against the elements is the issue. People have died from exposure in 60 degree weather. All it takes is a three degree drop in body temperature to experience slowed reaction time and confusion.

If the temperature was 40 degrees and wet and Cooper was traveling at high speed in the dark falling in a business suit and loafers, then he would have been at far greater risk for hypothermia than a professional jumper with an insulated outfit, gloves, boots, goggles, and helmet.

I don’t think that’s a particularly provocative thing to say.
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