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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3180 on: August 04, 2018, 02:43:18 AM »
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Frederick hahnemans brother william at one time lived at 3626 constance in new orleans

Which was at one time the adres of john murat

Who was questioned regarding lee harvey oswald

Ah there it is - Cooper was  lee harvey oswald. Uhhhhhh no. Oswald was dead by 71. But his mother was still alive.

Lee Harvey Oswald was shot to death by Jack Ruby on November 24, 1963.  The airliner was hijacked on November 24, 1971.  My birthday is also November 24th (I can't remember the exact year).  Further, I was on an airliner, and probably also a 727, at the very time the NWA aircraft was being hijacked.  But my flying was all east of the Mississippi River that night.

Do you see a connection here?  Do you think it would stand up in court?

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3181 on: August 04, 2018, 04:36:48 PM »
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... I did look into Hahneman's brother, not much there, he seems to have disappeared in the late 60's, either he died or went back to Honduras. He was in air force WW2, 45 in 1971 and 5'10" mixed German/Honduran. He had a bank account 9 miles from Tina Mucklow attending a German school in 1968.. strange coincidence? I looked for any connection between them, was he a school janitor? (maybe he died in NORJAK?) but there is nothing that I could find. So, I have Frederick Hahneman as the #1 suspect but the brother is still in play.


Sorry to spoil a wonder scenario, Flapjack, but Tina did not attend a German school in 1968. Rather, she attended the Lankenau School for Girls in Germantown, PA. There were Germans in the town in the 1700s when it was an outpost of Philly, but by the 20th Century it was a working class neighborhood well ensconced into the Philadelphia metroplex.

Why the derogatory remark? Bruce. Very unbecoming and unnecessary. A misfire..

You are correct, but so am I, it was founded by a German philanthropist and has a German cultural background.

and I never said it meant anything other than a strange coincidence as I found no connections.

The Lankenau School for Girls that Tina attended was 9 miles from a bank where Henry Hahneman had an account up to at least 1968. It is what it is, strange.

It is strange, and I was not intending to be derogatory. Rather, I just wanted to add some information when I sensed we were veering off course. I accept your perspective and connection.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3182 on: August 04, 2018, 06:37:16 PM »
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... I did look into Hahneman's brother, not much there, he seems to have disappeared in the late 60's, either he died or went back to Honduras. He was in air force WW2, 45 in 1971 and 5'10" mixed German/Honduran. He had a bank account 9 miles from Tina Mucklow attending a German school in 1968.. strange coincidence? I looked for any connection between them, was he a school janitor? (maybe he died in NORJAK?) but there is nothing that I could find. So, I have Frederick Hahneman as the #1 suspect but the brother is still in play.


Sorry to spoil a wonder scenario, Flapjack, but Tina did not attend a German school in 1968. Rather, she attended the Lankenau School for Girls in Germantown, PA. There were Germans in the town in the 1700s when it was an outpost of Philly, but by the 20th Century it was a working class neighborhood well ensconced into the Philadelphia metroplex.

Why the derogatory remark? Bruce. Very unbecoming and unnecessary. A misfire..

You are correct, but so am I, it was founded by a German philanthropist and has a German cultural background.

and I never said it meant anything other than a strange coincidence as I found no connections.

The Lankenau School for Girls that Tina attended was 9 miles from a bank where Henry Hahneman had an account up to at least 1968. It is what it is, strange.

It is strange, and I was not intending to be derogatory. Rather, I just wanted to add some information when I sensed we were veering off course. I accept your perspective and connection.

However, the age difference stands as an impediment to any contention there was a "relationship" between the two - unless of course the older gent was a .... pedophile working in Tina's school? To then surmise such a relation continued until 1971 with Tina now 22 and miles away, post training, working as a stew for NWA ? ... that's a stretch to say the least. How does this work:... Cooper rubs up against his former student and says: Hey Tina - I was your former janitor at Lankenau! Tina blushes and replies: Oh janitor - I love yous so muches! Yes I remember those days in the mop closet and at the drive in theatre in the trunk of your 51 Chevy. Please, take more money, let me get my purse for you Dear Partner in Lifes and Hijackings.

Or something like that ...  ;)
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3183 on: August 04, 2018, 11:15:18 PM »
So this is interesting, I went back and checked the timing and found a report that Hahneman received the $303,000 in 100's at Dulles then released the hostages. The plane took off but suddenly he didn't like the size (6 lbs) and wanted larger bills, the plane circled for 5 hours until they could get the $303,000 in $500/$1000 bills and they swapped it. 6 lbs of cash for 1 lb.

This is BS.. 6 lbs was too much...  the total amount was well well over a million.

IMO, $303,000 was just the first payment that they could get easily, that is why it is an odd number. Hahenman released the hostages but waited until they got the rest in the large bills.
 

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« Reply #3184 on: August 05, 2018, 11:31:54 AM »
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... I did look into Hahneman's brother, not much there, he seems to have disappeared in the late 60's, either he died or went back to Honduras. He was in air force WW2, 45 in 1971 and 5'10" mixed German/Honduran. He had a bank account 9 miles from Tina Mucklow attending a German school in 1968.. strange coincidence? I looked for any connection between them, was he a school janitor? (maybe he died in NORJAK?) but there is nothing that I could find. So, I have Frederick Hahneman as the #1 suspect but the brother is still in play.


Sorry to spoil a wonder scenario, Flapjack, but Tina did not attend a German school in 1968. Rather, she attended the Lankenau School for Girls in Germantown, PA. There were Germans in the town in the 1700s when it was an outpost of Philly, but by the 20th Century it was a working class neighborhood well ensconced into the Philadelphia metroplex.

Why the derogatory remark? Bruce. Very unbecoming and unnecessary. A misfire..

You are correct, but so am I, it was founded by a German philanthropist and has a German cultural background.

and I never said it meant anything other than a strange coincidence as I found no connections.

The Lankenau School for Girls that Tina attended was 9 miles from a bank where Henry Hahneman had an account up to at least 1968. It is what it is, strange.

It is strange, and I was not intending to be derogatory. Rather, I just wanted to add some information when I sensed we were veering off course. I accept your perspective and connection.

To be clear the bank account was in the name of the hijacker's brother..  the hijacker Hahneman lived about 45 miles away from Tina in PA. Hahneman frequently flew to the Far East and Tina started with NW Orient around 1968 based in Minneapolis.. They may have crossed paths on those flights.. but no way to confirm it.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3185 on: August 05, 2018, 12:43:05 PM »
Hahneman,,

"The FAA said the hijacker asked that the ransom money be delivered in denominations of $100, $500 and $1000. He was armed, said he carried a brief case full of explosives"

"A source said the hijacker sent out a detailed list of instructions which indicated he had flying experience."

"Passengers interviewed at Dulles described the man as well-dressed, about 40 years old and perhaps 5 feet 10 inches tall. He wore a dark suit white shirt and dark tie."
 

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« Reply #3186 on: August 05, 2018, 10:20:15 PM »
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perhaps 5 feet 10 inches tall

perhaps isn't a good description...
 

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« Reply #3187 on: August 05, 2018, 11:17:34 PM »
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perhaps 5 feet 10 inches tall

perhaps isn't a good description...

Is 5' 9" to 6' 1" a better description..

Hahneman pic - I only darkened his glasses.
 

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« Reply #3188 on: August 05, 2018, 11:37:10 PM »
similar to the sketch, many people are..it's a sketch not a photo...

Cooper's description is 5' 10 - 6'...the FBI claim he's 5' 8" the passengers, or passenger claims "perhaps"

somewhere his actual height can be found...5' 8" is a huge stretch to be mistaken for 6'...
 

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« Reply #3189 on: August 05, 2018, 11:50:39 PM »
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similar to the sketch, many people are..it's a sketch not a photo...

Cooper's description is 5' 10 - 6'...the FBI claim he's 5' 8" the passengers, or passenger claims "perhaps"

somewhere his actual height can be found...5' 8" is a huge stretch to be mistaken for 6'...

It is the updated/corrected sketch and it is an excellent match, proof no but combined with all the other evidence it makes Hahneman a very strong suspect. Closest I have ever seen.


You are wrong,

Witnesses have Cooper's height from 5' 9" to 6' 1". That is a fact.

You assume Cooper was 6' and Hahneman was 5' 8" in shoes, neither are known. The accuracy of witness height recall is extremely poor for many reasons. Look it up. Al Lee thought Tina was 5' 6", she claimed 5' 8" but was that in shoes?  I don't know. Cooper was seated almost all the time yet witnesses had him from 5' 9" to 6' 1"... the sources we have for heights are not as accurate as you think they are. Nobody measured Hahneman or Cooper in shoes...

both Cooper and Hahneman could have been 5' 10" in shoes,, does that prove Hahneman was Cooper, no it doesn't, but he can't be eliminated on assumptions.
 

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« Reply #3190 on: August 06, 2018, 12:17:19 AM »
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You are wrong,

Witnesses have Cooper's height from 5' 9" to 6' 1". That is a fact.

I'm not wrong..I go by the actual description given by the FBI, not by one witness...some gave height while never seeing him standing..the official height is 5' 10" - 6'

that's a tactic to get to 5' 8"
 

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« Reply #3191 on: August 06, 2018, 08:04:08 AM »
Nobody measured Hahneman or Cooper in shoes...

they went by height and not with or without shoes...neither were barefoot I can assure you of that...the bottom line is the FBI put him at 5' 8"...you have to find actual proof it's wrong...perhaps doesn't do it...

yes, apparently the FBI did measure his height with shoes on..he has a record and the height is registered with mugshots, especially if you do prison time...
 

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« Reply #3192 on: August 06, 2018, 09:42:44 AM »
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Nobody measured Hahneman or Cooper in shoes...

they went by height and not with or without shoes...neither were barefoot I can assure you of that...the bottom line is the FBI put him at 5' 8"...you have to find actual proof it's wrong...perhaps doesn't do it...

yes, apparently the FBI did measure his height with shoes on..he has a record and the height is registered with mugshots, especially if you do prison time...

You have incorporated poor assumptions into your logic.. and jumped to a bogus conclusion. You are, of course entitled to it.

I'll make this real simple..

Cooper was wearing shoes..  witnesses claimed he was "about" 5' 10"

Hahneman was wearing shoes. witnesses claimed he was "perhaps" 5' 10"

A typical rounded/truncated passport height of 5' 8" plus shoes is "about" 5' 10"


When people get their height measured that is without shoes, the 5' 8" FBI number likely came from his passport (not his prison record) that doesn't include shoes and the passport is rounded/truncated, no fractions.

So, it is typical for a passport number to be 1-2 inches less than in shoes.


Both the witness statements for Hahneman at 5' 10" and a passport reading 5' 8" can be correct.. that is your error. Conflating the context, they are not incompatible when you acknowledge their context.

You assume that 5' 8" is his actual height in shoes. Both my passport and DL read 5' 8" but I am 5' 10 1/4"  in dress shoes.. I checked. The 5' 8" is rounded down and my shoes add 1.5"...

and I have searched for his prison record, it isn't there.
 

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« Reply #3193 on: August 06, 2018, 10:29:28 AM »
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You are wrong,

Witnesses have Cooper's height from 5' 9" to 6' 1". That is a fact.

I'm not wrong..I go by the actual description given by the FBI, not by one witness...some gave height while never seeing him standing..the official height is 5' 10" - 6'

that's a tactic to get to 5' 8"

BULLSHIT.. it is not a tactic. That is your bias.

It was NOT one witness.

Mucklow 5' 10" - 6'
Schaffner 6'
Mitchell 5' 9" - 5' 10"
Spreckel 5' 10"
Labissoniere 5' 10"
Gregory 5' 9"


and without shoes, less 1-2" (to compare to Hahnaman's FBI passport number)

Mucklow 5' 8" - 10'
Schaffner 5" 10"
Mitchell 5' 7" - 5' 8"
Spreckel 5' 8"
Labissoniere 5' 8"
Gregory 5' 7"

Even the FBI's 5' 10" - 6' would be 5' 8" - 5' 10" without shoes. Consistent with Hahnaman's specs..
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« Reply #3194 on: August 06, 2018, 12:51:03 PM »
Flyjack...I don't talk to you like that and sure as hell don't expect you to!