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« Reply #3165 on: August 03, 2018, 01:52:42 PM »
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Well over a million $s.. No, I don't know how they accounted for it.

I feel like we're getting our signals crossed a little on this one.  If the government could pay this higher ransom of "well over a million $s," without accounting for it in some way, why couldn't they just pay off Hahneman's cousin from that same slush fund, without using the hijacking as a red herring?  Your theory only makes sense if the hijacking provides some sort of cover for the payoff to Hahneman's cousin.  If they had the ability to pay Hahneman's ransom without accounting for it, they would have had the money to pay Hahneman's cousin without accounting for it.  That would make the hijacking pointless.

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The statement response to the Ransom recovery inquiry just confirms what they already released,, so it adds "virtually nothing".

My mistake on that one.  Sorry about that.  I thought you were saying that the joint statement from FBI / Florida Police said "virtually nothing."  I agree that the comment about the joint statement said "virtually nothing."
 

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« Reply #3166 on: August 03, 2018, 01:57:48 PM »
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Well over a million $s.. No, I don't know how they accounted for it.

I feel like we're getting our signals crossed a little on this one.  If the government could pay this higher ransom of "well over a million $s," without accounting for it in some way, why couldn't they just pay off Hahneman's cousin from that same slush fund, without using the hijacking as a red herring?  Your theory only makes sense if the hijacking provides some sort of cover for the payoff to Hahneman's cousin.  If they had the ability to pay Hahneman's ransom without accounting for it, they would have had the money to pay Hahneman's cousin without accounting for it.  That would make the hijacking pointless.

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The statement response to the Ransom recovery inquiry just confirms what they already released,, so it adds "virtually nothing".

My mistake on that one.  Sorry about that.  I thought you were saying that the joint statement from FBI / Florida Police said "virtually nothing."  I agree that the comment about the joint statement said "virtually nothing."

OK, the ransom didn't go to Hahneman's cousin...  the recipient was not known to the FBI/CIA at the time of the hijacking. The first cover-up was the amount... a month later when Hahneman was caught, they needed to suppress the recipient ID.
 

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« Reply #3167 on: August 03, 2018, 02:05:55 PM »
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OK, the ransom didn't go to Hahneman's cousin...  the recipient was not known to the FBI/CIA at the time of the hijacking. The first cover-up was the amount... a month later when Hahneman was caught, they needed to suppress the recipient ID.

OK.  So, Hahneman hijacks 305 for $200k.  Then he hijacks another plane after that, for more than five times as much money.  The FBI lies about the amount of the ransom at that time.  This is before they know where the ransom went.  If they didn't stage the hijacking, it would also be before they knew the identity of the hijacker.  So, why would they lie about the amount?
 

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« Reply #3168 on: August 03, 2018, 02:25:02 PM »
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OK, the ransom didn't go to Hahneman's cousin...  the recipient was not known to the FBI/CIA at the time of the hijacking. The first cover-up was the amount... a month later when Hahneman was caught, they needed to suppress the recipient ID.

OK.  So, Hahneman hijacks 305 for $200k.  Then he hijacks another plane after that, for more than five times as much money.  The FBI lies about the amount of the ransom at that time.  This is before they know where the ransom went.  If they didn't stage the hijacking, it would also be before they knew the identity of the hijacker.  So, why would they lie about the amount?

Good question,, they lied/understated the '72 Hahneman ransom amount because it was just so large at the time, highest ever by far. It would have spurned more hijackings..  Hahneman successfully jumped into Honduras with well over a million $'s... if he wasn't caught and money recovered they'd have a PR nightmare and countless copycats.. the truth was dangerous.

The amount was so high that $100 bills were too heavy/large to jump with, it could only be in $500/$1000 bills. Those bills were rare and being phased out..

It makes no sense that Hahneman rejected 6lbs of cash for 1lb for his jump.. the evidence I have that the total amount was actually far higher confirms they lied and then it all makes perfect sense.

Imagine.. if the FBI announced a hijacker successfully got away with x million $'s in Honduras.. understating the ransom amount gave them a more palatable public narrative if Hahneman wasn't caught.
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« Reply #3169 on: August 03, 2018, 02:33:41 PM »
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OK, the ransom didn't go to Hahneman's cousin...  the recipient was not known to the FBI/CIA at the time of the hijacking. The first cover-up was the amount... a month later when Hahneman was caught, they needed to suppress the recipient ID.

OK.  So, Hahneman hijacks 305 for $200k.  Then he hijacks another plane after that, for more than five times as much money.  The FBI lies about the amount of the ransom at that time.  This is before they know where the ransom went.  If they didn't stage the hijacking, it would also be before they knew the identity of the hijacker.  So, why would they lie about the amount?

Good question,, they lied/understated the '72 Hahneman ransom amount because it was just so large at the time, highest ever by far. It would have spurned more hijackings..  Hahneman successfully jumped into Honduras with well over a million $'s... if he wasn't caught and money recovered they'd have a PR nightmare and countless copycats.. the truth was dangerous.

The amount was so high that $100 bills were too heavy/large to jump with, it could only be in $500/$1000 bills. Those bills were rare and being phased out..

It makes no sense that Hahneman rejected 6lbs of cash for 1lb for his jump.. the evidence I have that the total amount was actually far higher confirms they lied and then it all makes perfect sense.

I agree with the part about Hahneman rejecting 6lbs for 1lb not making sense, but I feel like the rest is a pretty big leap (no pun intended).  Maybe you'll change my mind when you release the details you aren't currently comfortable releasing, though.  I look forward to it.
 

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« Reply #3170 on: August 03, 2018, 02:35:41 PM »
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OK, the ransom didn't go to Hahneman's cousin...  the recipient was not known to the FBI/CIA at the time of the hijacking. The first cover-up was the amount... a month later when Hahneman was caught, they needed to suppress the recipient ID.

OK.  So, Hahneman hijacks 305 for $200k.  Then he hijacks another plane after that, for more than five times as much money.  The FBI lies about the amount of the ransom at that time.  This is before they know where the ransom went.  If they didn't stage the hijacking, it would also be before they knew the identity of the hijacker.  So, why would they lie about the amount?

Good question,, they lied/understated the '72 Hahneman ransom amount because it was just so large at the time, highest ever by far. It would have spurned more hijackings..  Hahneman successfully jumped into Honduras with well over a million $'s... if he wasn't caught and money recovered they'd have a PR nightmare and countless copycats.. the truth was dangerous.

The amount was so high that $100 bills were too heavy/large to jump with, it could only be in $500/$1000 bills. Those bills were rare and being phased out..

It makes no sense that Hahneman rejected 6lbs of cash for 1lb for his jump.. the evidence I have that the total amount was actually far higher confirms they lied and then it all makes perfect sense.

I agree with the part about Hahneman rejecting 6lbs for 1lb not making sense, but I feel like the rest is a pretty big leap (no pun intended).  Maybe you'll change my mind when you release the details you aren't currently comfortable releasing, though.  I look forward to it.

There is no leap, but I understand the doubt without my info source.. it is solid.
 

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« Reply #3171 on: August 03, 2018, 03:28:36 PM »
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OK, the ransom didn't go to Hahneman's cousin...  the recipient was not known to the FBI/CIA at the time of the hijacking. The first cover-up was the amount... a month later when Hahneman was caught, they needed to suppress the recipient ID.

OK.  So, Hahneman hijacks 305 for $200k.  Then he hijacks another plane after that, for more than five times as much money.  The FBI lies about the amount of the ransom at that time.  This is before they know where the ransom went.  If they didn't stage the hijacking, it would also be before they knew the identity of the hijacker.  So, why would they lie about the amount?

Good question,, they lied/understated the '72 Hahneman ransom amount because it was just so large at the time, highest ever by far. It would have spurned more hijackings..  Hahneman successfully jumped into Honduras with well over a million $'s... if he wasn't caught and money recovered they'd have a PR nightmare and countless copycats.. the truth was dangerous.

The amount was so high that $100 bills were too heavy/large to jump with, it could only be in $500/$1000 bills. Those bills were rare and being phased out..

It makes no sense that Hahneman rejected 6lbs of cash for 1lb for his jump.. the evidence I have that the total amount was actually far higher confirms they lied and then it all makes perfect sense.

I agree with the part about Hahneman rejecting 6lbs for 1lb not making sense, but I feel like the rest is a pretty big leap (no pun intended).  Maybe you'll change my mind when you release the details you aren't currently comfortable releasing, though.  I look forward to it.

There is no leap, but I understand the doubt without my info source.. it is solid.

I look forward to seeing it.  I think that there are some issues with Hahneman as a suspect, but I try to keep an open mind.  I think that we can both agree that, if they ever figure out who Cooper was, there is going to be something that doesn't seem right.  If there was a guy out there who looked just like the sketches, had the parachute training, was the right height, had a swarthy complexion, spoke with no accent, and otherwise met all of the attributes suspected; Cooper probably would have been caught a long time ago.  Somewhere, there is an incorrect assumption being relied on as fact, which is allowing Cooper to elude everyone.

By the way, have you ever looked at Hahneman's brother as a possible Cooper suspect?  Without knowing all of the details of your theory, it's tough for me to guess whether the brother could be a fit, but one brother doing the job for $200k then the other brother trying to outdo him might explain the reason for the differences in ransom amounts.
 

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« Reply #3172 on: August 03, 2018, 04:10:59 PM »
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OK, the ransom didn't go to Hahneman's cousin...  the recipient was not known to the FBI/CIA at the time of the hijacking. The first cover-up was the amount... a month later when Hahneman was caught, they needed to suppress the recipient ID.

OK.  So, Hahneman hijacks 305 for $200k.  Then he hijacks another plane after that, for more than five times as much money.  The FBI lies about the amount of the ransom at that time.  This is before they know where the ransom went.  If they didn't stage the hijacking, it would also be before they knew the identity of the hijacker.  So, why would they lie about the amount?

Good question,, they lied/understated the '72 Hahneman ransom amount because it was just so large at the time, highest ever by far. It would have spurned more hijackings..  Hahneman successfully jumped into Honduras with well over a million $'s... if he wasn't caught and money recovered they'd have a PR nightmare and countless copycats.. the truth was dangerous.

The amount was so high that $100 bills were too heavy/large to jump with, it could only be in $500/$1000 bills. Those bills were rare and being phased out..

It makes no sense that Hahneman rejected 6lbs of cash for 1lb for his jump.. the evidence I have that the total amount was actually far higher confirms they lied and then it all makes perfect sense.

I agree with the part about Hahneman rejecting 6lbs for 1lb not making sense, but I feel like the rest is a pretty big leap (no pun intended).  Maybe you'll change my mind when you release the details you aren't currently comfortable releasing, though.  I look forward to it.

There is no leap, but I understand the doubt without my info source.. it is solid.

I look forward to seeing it.  I think that there are some issues with Hahneman as a suspect, but I try to keep an open mind.  I think that we can both agree that, if they ever figure out who Cooper was, there is going to be something that doesn't seem right.  If there was a guy out there who looked just like the sketches, had the parachute training, was the right height, had a swarthy complexion, spoke with no accent, and otherwise met all of the attributes suspected; Cooper probably would have been caught a long time ago.  Somewhere, there is an incorrect assumption being relied on as fact, which is allowing Cooper to elude everyone.

By the way, have you ever looked at Hahneman's brother as a possible Cooper suspect?  Without knowing all of the details of your theory, it's tough for me to guess whether the brother could be a fit, but one brother doing the job for $200k then the other brother trying to outdo him might explain the reason for the differences in ransom amounts.

The incorrect assumption I made was that Hahneman was a copycat and couldn't be Cooper because the FBI would have easily figured that out. Everyone assumed he wasn't because the FBI never mentioned him. However, there is no evidence from the FBI as to why he was eliminated. Then researching Hahneman the similarities are so astounding that he should be the top suspect, yet nothing from the FBI. That is a tell. Now, I find solid info that the FBI covered-up key aspects of the Hahneman hijacking. So, we have a cover up in the '72 hijacking and an excellent NORJAK suspect rolled into one guy... is it 100% proof, no. Is it a theory worth investigating, absolutely. The best one I have ever seen. Unfortunately, the FBI, the only ones that can prove it may not be interested.

I did look into Hahneman's brother, not much there, he seems to have disappeared in the late 60's, either he died or went back to Honduras. He was in air force WW2, 45 in 1971 and 5'10" mixed German/Honduran. He had a bank account 9 miles from Tina Mucklow attending a German school in 1968.. strange coincidence? I looked for any connection between them, was he a school janitor? (maybe he died in NORJAK?) but there is nothing that I could find. So, I have Frederick Hahneman as the #1 suspect but the brother is still in play.
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« Reply #3173 on: August 03, 2018, 05:09:01 PM »
Frederick hahnemans brother william at one time lived at 3626 constance in new orleans

Which was at one time the adres of john murat

Who was questioned regarding lee harvey oswald

 

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« Reply #3174 on: August 03, 2018, 05:44:56 PM »
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Frederick hahnemans brother william at one time lived at 3626 constance in new orleans

Which was at one time the adres of john murat

Who was questioned regarding lee harvey oswald

Ah there it is - Cooper was  lee harvey oswald. Uhhhhhh no. Oswald was dead by 71. But his mother was still alive.
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« Reply #3175 on: August 03, 2018, 07:47:42 PM »
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Frederick hahnemans brother william at one time lived at 3626 constance in new orleans

Which was at one time the adres of john murat

Who was questioned regarding lee harvey oswald

Yes, I read that report. Both lived very close in New Orleans. That house was at one time a New Orleans "rooming house" very close to Oswald's home. Oswald did call the house, nobody knows why, perhaps he knew somebody that had lived there. I looked but never found any connection between Oswald and Henry Hahneman or to pro-communist groups (a political activist).
 

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« Reply #3176 on: August 03, 2018, 10:33:35 PM »
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... I did look into Hahneman's brother, not much there, he seems to have disappeared in the late 60's, either he died or went back to Honduras. He was in air force WW2, 45 in 1971 and 5'10" mixed German/Honduran. He had a bank account 9 miles from Tina Mucklow attending a German school in 1968.. strange coincidence? I looked for any connection between them, was he a school janitor? (maybe he died in NORJAK?) but there is nothing that I could find. So, I have Frederick Hahneman as the #1 suspect but the brother is still in play.


Sorry to spoil a wonder scenario, Flapjack, but Tina did not attend a German school in 1968. Rather, she attended the Lankenau School for Girls in Germantown, PA. There were Germans in the town in the 1700s when it was an outpost of Philly, but by the 20th Century it was a working class neighborhood well ensconced into the Philadelphia metroplex.
 

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« Reply #3177 on: August 03, 2018, 10:49:41 PM »
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... I did look into Hahneman's brother, not much there, he seems to have disappeared in the late 60's, either he died or went back to Honduras. He was in air force WW2, 45 in 1971 and 5'10" mixed German/Honduran. He had a bank account 9 miles from Tina Mucklow attending a German school in 1968.. strange coincidence? I looked for any connection between them, was he a school janitor? (maybe he died in NORJAK?) but there is nothing that I could find. So, I have Frederick Hahneman as the #1 suspect but the brother is still in play.


Sorry to spoil a wonder scenario, Flapjack, but Tina did not attend a German school in 1968. Rather, she attended the Lankenau School for Girls in Germantown, PA. There were Germans in the town in the 1700s when it was an outpost of Philly, but by the 20th Century it was a working class neighborhood well ensconced into the Philadelphia metroplex.

Why the derogatory remark? Bruce. Very unbecoming and unnecessary. A misfire..

You are correct, but so am I, it was founded by a German philanthropist and has a German cultural background.

and I never said it meant anything other than a strange coincidence as I found no connections.

The Lankenau School for Girls that Tina attended was 9 miles from a bank where Henry Hahneman had an account up to at least 1968. It is what it is, strange.
 

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« Reply #3178 on: August 03, 2018, 11:45:21 PM »
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... I did look into Hahneman's brother, not much there, he seems to have disappeared in the late 60's, either he died or went back to Honduras. He was in air force WW2, 45 in 1971 and 5'10" mixed German/Honduran. He had a bank account 9 miles from Tina Mucklow attending a German school in 1968.. strange coincidence? I looked for any connection between them, was he a school janitor? (maybe he died in NORJAK?) but there is nothing that I could find. So, I have Frederick Hahneman as the #1 suspect but the brother is still in play.


Sorry to spoil a wonder scenario, Flapjack, but Tina did not attend a German school in 1968. Rather, she attended the Lankenau School for Girls in Germantown, PA. There were Germans in the town in the 1700s when it was an outpost of Philly, but by the 20th Century it was a working class neighborhood well ensconced into the Philadelphia metroplex.

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and Tina (not Tena's Bar!) was only 18 years old, going on 19, in 1968. Still dealing with pimples and reading Reager's Digest in the bathroom, in 1968. She mustah had a craving for older men! Strange!  But Moma and the Nuns said  "No No No Tina! Nicht Nicht Nicht! oldah men! Invest in plastics and become a Nun or an airline stewardess instead." :nono: :rofl: 

Hahneman' must have been a pervert window peeker in addition to being a budding criminal hijacker? Was he working as a janitor in Tina's school?

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« Reply #3179 on: August 04, 2018, 12:43:05 AM »
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Frederick hahnemans brother william at one time lived at 3626 constance in new orleans

Which was at one time the adres of john murat

Who was questioned regarding lee harvey oswald

Ah there it is - Cooper was  lee harvey oswald. Uhhhhhh no. Oswald was dead by 71. But his mother was still alive.

Lee Harvey Oswald was shot to death by Jack Ruby on November 24, 1963.  The airliner was hijacked on November 24, 1971.  My birthday is also November 24th (I can't remember the exact year).  Further, I was on an airliner, and probably also a 727, at the very time the NWA aircraft was being hijacked.  But my flying was all east of the Mississippi River that night.

Do you see a connection here?  Do you think it would stand up in court?
 
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