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« Reply #3075 on: July 06, 2018, 11:50:35 AM »
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Strange coincidences...

Found an unclaimed bank account legal notice(1979) for a "William H Hahneman" (Frederick's brother's name) at FIRST CAMDEN NATIONAL BANK AND TRUST COMPANY located at BROADWAY AND COOPER STREETS, CAMDEN, NJ.

This is about 75 miles from William Frederick Hahneman's home in Easton Pa.

It is also only 9 miles from "Lankenau School for Girls" (German Lutheran) were Tina Mucklow went to school.


June, 1969
"NEW STEWARDESS - Miss Tina A. Mucklow of Lang- home recently was presented her stewardess wings by Northeast Orient Airlines, The daughter of Joseph E. Mucklow. 549 Wyoming Ave,, Miss Mucklow is a graduate of Lankenau School for Girls and attended McConnell Airline School , Minneapolis, Minn, She will he assigned to the airline home base in Minneapolis, St. Paul."


So, Tina and Hahneman(s) were from the same area, German background.. (Tina was also in Oregon before the TBAR money was found)

(Speculation warning)
Wonder if Tina had contact with one of the Hahneman's in PA or as a stewardess for Northeast Orient.. Frederick William Hahneman travelled often between PA and the Far East... Tina based in Minn would be on route..

I always thought it odd that she asked for and handled bundles of money, then returned it saying it was against company policy,, HUH? sounds like a cover story for possible prints found on the money.

and

She claimed the packages of money had bank bands, but the TBAR money didn't??

not to omit Tel Tena's public fishing bar.

Were the stews assigned specific flying routes for a time or rotated constantly? You can forget prints on money after years of being in nature. Nevertheless the FBI tried to 'print' the Ingram bills which was a pointless destructive exercise. 

Was info available on which stews were flying what routes at any given time?

Bank bands. Rubber bank bands not paper. Where does Tina claim they were paper bands? Larry talked to the guy who wrapped the bundles ... with rubber bands. The Ingrams were re-interviewed several times about the rubber bands ... I talked to Mrs. Ingram.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3076 on: July 06, 2018, 12:03:01 PM »
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Strange coincidences...

Found an unclaimed bank account legal notice(1979) for a "William H Hahneman" (Frederick's brother's name) at FIRST CAMDEN NATIONAL BANK AND TRUST COMPANY located at BROADWAY AND COOPER STREETS, CAMDEN, NJ.

This is about 75 miles from William Frederick Hahneman's home in Easton Pa.

It is also only 9 miles from "Lankenau School for Girls" (German Lutheran) were Tina Mucklow went to school.


June, 1969
"NEW STEWARDESS - Miss Tina A. Mucklow of Lang- home recently was presented her stewardess wings by Northeast Orient Airlines, The daughter of Joseph E. Mucklow. 549 Wyoming Ave,, Miss Mucklow is a graduate of Lankenau School for Girls and attended McConnell Airline School , Minneapolis, Minn, She will he assigned to the airline home base in Minneapolis, St. Paul."


So, Tina and Hahneman(s) were from the same area, German background.. (Tina was also in Oregon before the TBAR money was found)

(Speculation warning)
Wonder if Tina had contact with one of the Hahneman's in PA or as a stewardess for Northeast Orient.. Frederick William Hahneman travelled often between PA and the Far East... Tina based in Minn would be on route..

I always thought it odd that she asked for and handled bundles of money, then returned it saying it was against company policy,, HUH? sounds like a cover story for possible prints found on the money.

and

She claimed the packages of money had bank bands, but the TBAR money didn't??

not to omit Tel Tena's public fishing bar.

Were the stews assigned specific flying routes for a time or rotated constantly? You can forget prints on money after years of being in nature. Nevertheless the FBI tried to 'print' the Ingram bills which was a pointless destructive exercise. 

Was info available on which stews were flying what routes at any given time?

Bank bands. Rubber bank bands not paper. Where does Tina claim they were paper bands? Larry talked to the guy who wrapped the bundles ... with rubber bands. The Ingrams were re-interviewed several times about the rubber bands ... I talked to Mrs. Ingram.

Tina's FBI interview,,  "bank-type bands around each package"

Telling that story right after NORJAK may have been a cover for future "prints" if bills found and tested.

Was that story in her first interview or added in a later interview?

image.. "bank-type bands"
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3077 on: July 06, 2018, 01:17:03 PM »
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Strange coincidences...

Found an unclaimed bank account legal notice(1979) for a "William H Hahneman" (Frederick's brother's name) at FIRST CAMDEN NATIONAL BANK AND TRUST COMPANY located at BROADWAY AND COOPER STREETS, CAMDEN, NJ.

This is about 75 miles from William Frederick Hahneman's home in Easton Pa.

It is also only 9 miles from "Lankenau School for Girls" (German Lutheran) were Tina Mucklow went to school.


June, 1969
"NEW STEWARDESS - Miss Tina A. Mucklow of Lang- home recently was presented her stewardess wings by Northeast Orient Airlines, The daughter of Joseph E. Mucklow. 549 Wyoming Ave,, Miss Mucklow is a graduate of Lankenau School for Girls and attended McConnell Airline School , Minneapolis, Minn, She will he assigned to the airline home base in Minneapolis, St. Paul."


So, Tina and Hahneman(s) were from the same area, German background.. (Tina was also in Oregon before the TBAR money was found)

(Speculation warning)
Wonder if Tina had contact with one of the Hahneman's in PA or as a stewardess for Northeast Orient.. Frederick William Hahneman travelled often between PA and the Far East... Tina based in Minn would be on route..

I always thought it odd that she asked for and handled bundles of money, then returned it saying it was against company policy,, HUH? sounds like a cover story for possible prints found on the money.

and

She claimed the packages of money had bank bands, but the TBAR money didn't??

Found the Dormancy period for NJ was 10 years..

That means the "William H Hahneman" abandoned bank account in Camden NJ was last used in 1968.. (Pre-NORJAK) same timeframe and 9 miles from Tina's attendance at Lankenau School for Girls...
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3078 on: July 06, 2018, 02:51:28 PM »
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Strange coincidences...

Found an unclaimed bank account legal notice(1979) for a "William H Hahneman" (Frederick's brother's name) at FIRST CAMDEN NATIONAL BANK AND TRUST COMPANY located at BROADWAY AND COOPER STREETS, CAMDEN, NJ.

This is about 75 miles from William Frederick Hahneman's home in Easton Pa.

It is also only 9 miles from "Lankenau School for Girls" (German Lutheran) were Tina Mucklow went to school.


June, 1969
"NEW STEWARDESS - Miss Tina A. Mucklow of Lang- home recently was presented her stewardess wings by Northeast Orient Airlines, The daughter of Joseph E. Mucklow. 549 Wyoming Ave,, Miss Mucklow is a graduate of Lankenau School for Girls and attended McConnell Airline School , Minneapolis, Minn, She will he assigned to the airline home base in Minneapolis, St. Paul."


So, Tina and Hahneman(s) were from the same area, German background.. (Tina was also in Oregon before the TBAR money was found)

(Speculation warning)
Wonder if Tina had contact with one of the Hahneman's in PA or as a stewardess for Northeast Orient.. Frederick William Hahneman travelled often between PA and the Far East... Tina based in Minn would be on route..

I always thought it odd that she asked for and handled bundles of money, then returned it saying it was against company policy,, HUH? sounds like a cover story for possible prints found on the money.

and

She claimed the packages of money had bank bands, but the TBAR money didn't??

not to omit Tel Tena's public fishing bar.

Were the stews assigned specific flying routes for a time or rotated constantly? You can forget prints on money after years of being in nature. Nevertheless the FBI tried to 'print' the Ingram bills which was a pointless destructive exercise. 

Was info available on which stews were flying what routes at any given time?

Bank bands. Rubber bank bands not paper. Where does Tina claim they were paper bands? Larry talked to the guy who wrapped the bundles ... with rubber bands. The Ingrams were re-interviewed several times about the rubber bands ... I talked to Mrs. Ingram.

Tina's FBI interview,,  "bank-type bands around each package"

Telling that story right after NORJAK may have been a cover for future "prints" if bills found and tested.

Was that story in her first interview or added in a later interview?

image.. "bank-type bands"

There you go again - inventing what is not there. We all know that passage; it came up years ago and Ckret checked it out. We had to know. 

She said bands, not straps, not paper. She meant rubber bands. She was contacted and asked. And as I have already said so was Mrs Ingram ... the common ENGLISH meaning of 'bank bands' is "rubber bands"

But, you will go ahead as you always do and reject this. You have a theory to invent. 

PS, the passage includes:

"The hijacker agreed with her suggestion and reached in and took out one package of the money, denominations not recalled by Mucklow, and he handed the (single) bundle of money to her! Mucklow states that she laughed and gave the money back to the hijacker stating ‘she was not permitted to accept gratuities’, or words to that effect."

There is nothing in this about Tina fingering, holding, touching, separating, individual bills. Her prints would only be on two bills, if that. Outside bills. 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3079 on: July 06, 2018, 03:09:33 PM »
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Strange coincidences...

Found an unclaimed bank account legal notice(1979) for a "William H Hahneman" (Frederick's brother's name) at FIRST CAMDEN NATIONAL BANK AND TRUST COMPANY located at BROADWAY AND COOPER STREETS, CAMDEN, NJ.

This is about 75 miles from William Frederick Hahneman's home in Easton Pa.

It is also only 9 miles from "Lankenau School for Girls" (German Lutheran) were Tina Mucklow went to school.


June, 1969
"NEW STEWARDESS - Miss Tina A. Mucklow of Lang- home recently was presented her stewardess wings by Northeast Orient Airlines, The daughter of Joseph E. Mucklow. 549 Wyoming Ave,, Miss Mucklow is a graduate of Lankenau School for Girls and attended McConnell Airline School , Minneapolis, Minn, She will he assigned to the airline home base in Minneapolis, St. Paul."


So, Tina and Hahneman(s) were from the same area, German background.. (Tina was also in Oregon before the TBAR money was found)

(Speculation warning)
Wonder if Tina had contact with one of the Hahneman's in PA or as a stewardess for Northeast Orient.. Frederick William Hahneman travelled often between PA and the Far East... Tina based in Minn would be on route..

I always thought it odd that she asked for and handled bundles of money, then returned it saying it was against company policy,, HUH? sounds like a cover story for possible prints found on the money.

and

She claimed the packages of money had bank bands, but the TBAR money didn't??

not to omit Tel Tena's public fishing bar.

Were the stews assigned specific flying routes for a time or rotated constantly? You can forget prints on money after years of being in nature. Nevertheless the FBI tried to 'print' the Ingram bills which was a pointless destructive exercise. 

Was info available on which stews were flying what routes at any given time?

Bank bands. Rubber bank bands not paper. Where does Tina claim they were paper bands? Larry talked to the guy who wrapped the bundles ... with rubber bands. The Ingrams were re-interviewed several times about the rubber bands ... I talked to Mrs. Ingram.

Tina's FBI interview,,  "bank-type bands around each package"

Telling that story right after NORJAK may have been a cover for future "prints" if bills found and tested.

Was that story in her first interview or added in a later interview?

image.. "bank-type bands"

There you go again - inventing what is not there. We all know that passage; it came up years ago and Ckret checked it out. We had to know. 

She said bands, not straps, not paper. She meant rubber bands. She was contacted and asked. And as I have already said so was Mrs Ingram ... the common ENGLISH meaning of 'bank bands' is "rubber bands"

But, you will go ahead as you always do and reject this. You have a theory to force together.

Not inventing anything, the FBI report from Tina is "bank-type bands".

There is another report from the FBI from the bank that the packages were in bank straps (100's)

How do you know what she meant?

"Bank-type bands" is not rubber bands.. 

where do you get she "was contacted and asked"? after TBAR find?


The packages were kept in 100's (not rebanded), the bundles (multiple packages) were re (rubber) banded...

.
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« Reply #3080 on: July 06, 2018, 03:12:31 PM »
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Strange coincidences...

Found an unclaimed bank account legal notice(1979) for a "William H Hahneman" (Frederick's brother's name) at FIRST CAMDEN NATIONAL BANK AND TRUST COMPANY located at BROADWAY AND COOPER STREETS, CAMDEN, NJ.

This is about 75 miles from William Frederick Hahneman's home in Easton Pa.

It is also only 9 miles from "Lankenau School for Girls" (German Lutheran) were Tina Mucklow went to school.


June, 1969
"NEW STEWARDESS - Miss Tina A. Mucklow of Lang- home recently was presented her stewardess wings by Northeast Orient Airlines, The daughter of Joseph E. Mucklow. 549 Wyoming Ave,, Miss Mucklow is a graduate of Lankenau School for Girls and attended McConnell Airline School , Minneapolis, Minn, She will he assigned to the airline home base in Minneapolis, St. Paul."


So, Tina and Hahneman(s) were from the same area, German background.. (Tina was also in Oregon before the TBAR money was found)

(Speculation warning)
Wonder if Tina had contact with one of the Hahneman's in PA or as a stewardess for Northeast Orient.. Frederick William Hahneman travelled often between PA and the Far East... Tina based in Minn would be on route..

I always thought it odd that she asked for and handled bundles of money, then returned it saying it was against company policy,, HUH? sounds like a cover story for possible prints found on the money.

and

She claimed the packages of money had bank bands, but the TBAR money didn't??

not to omit Tel Tena's public fishing bar.

Were the stews assigned specific flying routes for a time or rotated constantly? You can forget prints on money after years of being in nature. Nevertheless the FBI tried to 'print' the Ingram bills which was a pointless destructive exercise. 

Was info available on which stews were flying what routes at any given time?

Bank bands. Rubber bank bands not paper. Where does Tina claim they were paper bands? Larry talked to the guy who wrapped the bundles ... with rubber bands. The Ingrams were re-interviewed several times about the rubber bands ... I talked to Mrs. Ingram.

Tina's FBI interview,,  "bank-type bands around each package"

Telling that story right after NORJAK may have been a cover for future "prints" if bills found and tested.

Was that story in her first interview or added in a later interview?

image.. "bank-type bands"

There you go again - inventing what is not there. We all know that passage; it came up years ago and Ckret checked it out. We had to know. 

She said bands, not straps, not paper. She meant rubber bands. She was contacted and asked. And as I have already said so was Mrs Ingram ... the common ENGLISH meaning of 'bank bands' is "rubber bands"

But, you will go ahead as you always do and reject this. You have a theory to force together.

Not inventing anything, the FBI report from Tina is "bank-type bands".

There is another report from the FBI from the bank that the packages were in bank straps (100's)

How do you know what she meant?

"Bank-type bands" is not rubber bands.. 

where do you get she "was contacted and asked"? after TBAR find?


The packages were kept in 100's, the bundles (multiple packages) were re (rubber) banded...

.

Contact Larry for further infor.

BTW, remnants of rubber bands came along with the Ingram bills (brittle crystalline bits that turn to dust when crushed) when they turned them in - since the bundles were wrapped in "RUBBER" bands. There is more but pse contact the FBI for further information. The Ingram story holds true because the forensic evidence is there to support it. Four Ingram family adults confirmed rubber bands and picked the crystallized pieces of bands off the outsides of the bundles they recovered ... this process continued back at the apartment kitchen. The FBI is in possession of that confirming evidence, to this day.

Thank you. Have a good day.  8)
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Strange coincidences...

Found an unclaimed bank account legal notice(1979) for a "William H Hahneman" (Frederick's brother's name) at FIRST CAMDEN NATIONAL BANK AND TRUST COMPANY located at BROADWAY AND COOPER STREETS, CAMDEN, NJ.

This is about 75 miles from William Frederick Hahneman's home in Easton Pa.

It is also only 9 miles from "Lankenau School for Girls" (German Lutheran) were Tina Mucklow went to school.


June, 1969
"NEW STEWARDESS - Miss Tina A. Mucklow of Lang- home recently was presented her stewardess wings by Northeast Orient Airlines, The daughter of Joseph E. Mucklow. 549 Wyoming Ave,, Miss Mucklow is a graduate of Lankenau School for Girls and attended McConnell Airline School , Minneapolis, Minn, She will he assigned to the airline home base in Minneapolis, St. Paul."


So, Tina and Hahneman(s) were from the same area, German background.. (Tina was also in Oregon before the TBAR money was found)

(Speculation warning)
Wonder if Tina had contact with one of the Hahneman's in PA or as a stewardess for Northeast Orient.. Frederick William Hahneman travelled often between PA and the Far East... Tina based in Minn would be on route..

I always thought it odd that she asked for and handled bundles of money, then returned it saying it was against company policy,, HUH? sounds like a cover story for possible prints found on the money.

and

She claimed the packages of money had bank bands, but the TBAR money didn't??

not to omit Tel Tena's public fishing bar.

Were the stews assigned specific flying routes for a time or rotated constantly? You can forget prints on money after years of being in nature. Nevertheless the FBI tried to 'print' the Ingram bills which was a pointless destructive exercise. 

Was info available on which stews were flying what routes at any given time?

Bank bands. Rubber bank bands not paper. Where does Tina claim they were paper bands? Larry talked to the guy who wrapped the bundles ... with rubber bands. The Ingrams were re-interviewed several times about the rubber bands ... I talked to Mrs. Ingram.

Tina's FBI interview,,  "bank-type bands around each package"

Telling that story right after NORJAK may have been a cover for future "prints" if bills found and tested.

Was that story in her first interview or added in a later interview?

image.. "bank-type bands"

There you go again - inventing what is not there. We all know that passage; it came up years ago and Ckret checked it out. We had to know. 

She said bands, not straps, not paper. She meant rubber bands. She was contacted and asked. And as I have already said so was Mrs Ingram ... the common ENGLISH meaning of 'bank bands' is "rubber bands"

But, you will go ahead as you always do and reject this. You have a theory to force together.

Not inventing anything, the FBI report from Tina is "bank-type bands".

There is another report from the FBI from the bank that the packages were in bank straps (100's)

How do you know what she meant?

"Bank-type bands" is not rubber bands.. 

where do you get she "was contacted and asked"? after TBAR find?


The packages were kept in 100's, the bundles (multiple packages) were re (rubber) banded...

.

Contact Larry for further infor.

BTW, remnants of rubber bands came along with the Ingram bills (brittle crystalline bits that turn to dust when crushed) when they turned them in - since the bundles were wrapped in "RUBBER" bands. There is more but pse contact the FBI for further information. The Ingram story holds true because the forensic evidence is there to support it.

Thank you. Have a good day.  8)

You miss the point entirely Georger,,  and create a red herring..

I agree with the TBAR rubber band remnants and Ingrams... and no evidence of bank straps, could they have deteriorated?

Those TBAR packages (100's) were in order and nearly intact.

So,

Was the TBAR rubber fragment around a single package (100) or a bundle (several packages)?
Were the ransom packages (100's) in money straps and rubber bands? or just the bundles (several packages)

If Tina saw and meant bank straps (IMO-YES), were they then removed before deposit on TBAR? If so, that suggests TBAR money was discarded later... by a human.

BTW, I have gone back and read up on this and found confusion between the use of the terms "packages" and "bundles". 

In the bank context, a package is the contained stack of 100 bills, a bundle is a contained group of packages.

The bank guy rebanded (rubber) the bundles not the packages.
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Strange coincidences...

Found an unclaimed bank account legal notice(1979) for a "William H Hahneman" (Frederick's brother's name) at FIRST CAMDEN NATIONAL BANK AND TRUST COMPANY located at BROADWAY AND COOPER STREETS, CAMDEN, NJ.

This is about 75 miles from William Frederick Hahneman's home in Easton Pa.

It is also only 9 miles from "Lankenau School for Girls" (German Lutheran) were Tina Mucklow went to school.


June, 1969
"NEW STEWARDESS - Miss Tina A. Mucklow of Lang- home recently was presented her stewardess wings by Northeast Orient Airlines, The daughter of Joseph E. Mucklow. 549 Wyoming Ave,, Miss Mucklow is a graduate of Lankenau School for Girls and attended McConnell Airline School , Minneapolis, Minn, She will he assigned to the airline home base in Minneapolis, St. Paul."


So, Tina and Hahneman(s) were from the same area, German background.. (Tina was also in Oregon before the TBAR money was found)

(Speculation warning)
Wonder if Tina had contact with one of the Hahneman's in PA or as a stewardess for Northeast Orient.. Frederick William Hahneman travelled often between PA and the Far East... Tina based in Minn would be on route..

I always thought it odd that she asked for and handled bundles of money, then returned it saying it was against company policy,, HUH? sounds like a cover story for possible prints found on the money.

and

She claimed the packages of money had bank bands, but the TBAR money didn't??

not to omit Tel Tena's public fishing bar.

Were the stews assigned specific flying routes for a time or rotated constantly? You can forget prints on money after years of being in nature. Nevertheless the FBI tried to 'print' the Ingram bills which was a pointless destructive exercise. 

Was info available on which stews were flying what routes at any given time?

Bank bands. Rubber bank bands not paper. Where does Tina claim they were paper bands? Larry talked to the guy who wrapped the bundles ... with rubber bands. The Ingrams were re-interviewed several times about the rubber bands ... I talked to Mrs. Ingram.

Tina's FBI interview,,  "bank-type bands around each package"

Telling that story right after NORJAK may have been a cover for future "prints" if bills found and tested.

Was that story in her first interview or added in a later interview?

image.. "bank-type bands"

There you go again - inventing what is not there. We all know that passage; it came up years ago and Ckret checked it out. We had to know. 

She said bands, not straps, not paper. She meant rubber bands. She was contacted and asked. And as I have already said so was Mrs Ingram ... the common ENGLISH meaning of 'bank bands' is "rubber bands"

But, you will go ahead as you always do and reject this. You have a theory to force together.

Not inventing anything, the FBI report from Tina is "bank-type bands".

There is another report from the FBI from the bank that the packages were in bank straps (100's)

How do you know what she meant?

"Bank-type bands" is not rubber bands.. 

where do you get she "was contacted and asked"? after TBAR find?


The packages were kept in 100's, the bundles (multiple packages) were re (rubber) banded...

.

Contact Larry for further infor.

BTW, remnants of rubber bands came along with the Ingram bills (brittle crystalline bits that turn to dust when crushed) when they turned them in - since the bundles were wrapped in "RUBBER" bands. There is more but pse contact the FBI for further information. The Ingram story holds true because the forensic evidence is there to support it.

Thank you. Have a good day.  8)

You miss the point entirely Georger,,  and create a red herring..

I agree with the TBAR rubber band remnants and Ingrams... and no evidence of bank straps, could they have deteriorated?

Those TBAR packages (100's) were in order and nearly intact.

So,

Was the TBAR rubber fragment around a single package (100) or a bundle (several packages)?
Were the ransom packages (100's) in money straps and rubber bands? or just the bundles (several packages)

If Tina saw and meant bank straps (IMO-YES), were they then removed before deposit on TBAR? If so, that suggests TBAR money was discarded later... by a human.

BTW, I have gone back and read up on this and found confusion between the use of the terms "packages" and "bundles". 

In the bank context, a package is the contained stack of 100 bills, a bundle is a contained group of packages.

The bank guy rebanded (rubber) the bundles not the packages.

No discussion is possible.

Your whole program is built around finding exceptions and alternative facts.  However, you cant "prove" any of your alternate theories. That is balanced by pretty good internet research on your candidate. The one rubs off on the other in reader's minds.

No dialogue is possible.  :chr2:

I guess the obvious question is: are you going to write another book about the hijacking? Going to tv or podcast? You claim an alternative version of the Cooper hijacking, while people who could comment are sitting in this forum like frogs on a log, apparently not knowing what to say., or afraid to get involved. That's fine.  :congrats:
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Strange coincidences...

Found an unclaimed bank account legal notice(1979) for a "William H Hahneman" (Frederick's brother's name) at FIRST CAMDEN NATIONAL BANK AND TRUST COMPANY located at BROADWAY AND COOPER STREETS, CAMDEN, NJ.

This is about 75 miles from William Frederick Hahneman's home in Easton Pa.

It is also only 9 miles from "Lankenau School for Girls" (German Lutheran) were Tina Mucklow went to school.


June, 1969
"NEW STEWARDESS - Miss Tina A. Mucklow of Lang- home recently was presented her stewardess wings by Northeast Orient Airlines, The daughter of Joseph E. Mucklow. 549 Wyoming Ave,, Miss Mucklow is a graduate of Lankenau School for Girls and attended McConnell Airline School , Minneapolis, Minn, She will he assigned to the airline home base in Minneapolis, St. Paul."


So, Tina and Hahneman(s) were from the same area, German background.. (Tina was also in Oregon before the TBAR money was found)

(Speculation warning)
Wonder if Tina had contact with one of the Hahneman's in PA or as a stewardess for Northeast Orient.. Frederick William Hahneman travelled often between PA and the Far East... Tina based in Minn would be on route..

I always thought it odd that she asked for and handled bundles of money, then returned it saying it was against company policy,, HUH? sounds like a cover story for possible prints found on the money.

and

She claimed the packages of money had bank bands, but the TBAR money didn't??

not to omit Tel Tena's public fishing bar.

Were the stews assigned specific flying routes for a time or rotated constantly? You can forget prints on money after years of being in nature. Nevertheless the FBI tried to 'print' the Ingram bills which was a pointless destructive exercise. 

Was info available on which stews were flying what routes at any given time?

Bank bands. Rubber bank bands not paper. Where does Tina claim they were paper bands? Larry talked to the guy who wrapped the bundles ... with rubber bands. The Ingrams were re-interviewed several times about the rubber bands ... I talked to Mrs. Ingram.

Tina's FBI interview,,  "bank-type bands around each package"

Telling that story right after NORJAK may have been a cover for future "prints" if bills found and tested.

Was that story in her first interview or added in a later interview?

image.. "bank-type bands"

There you go again - inventing what is not there. We all know that passage; it came up years ago and Ckret checked it out. We had to know. 

She said bands, not straps, not paper. She meant rubber bands. She was contacted and asked. And as I have already said so was Mrs Ingram ... the common ENGLISH meaning of 'bank bands' is "rubber bands"

But, you will go ahead as you always do and reject this. You have a theory to force together.

Not inventing anything, the FBI report from Tina is "bank-type bands".

There is another report from the FBI from the bank that the packages were in bank straps (100's)

How do you know what she meant?

"Bank-type bands" is not rubber bands.. 

where do you get she "was contacted and asked"? after TBAR find?


The packages were kept in 100's, the bundles (multiple packages) were re (rubber) banded...

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Contact Larry for further infor.

BTW, remnants of rubber bands came along with the Ingram bills (brittle crystalline bits that turn to dust when crushed) when they turned them in - since the bundles were wrapped in "RUBBER" bands. There is more but pse contact the FBI for further information. The Ingram story holds true because the forensic evidence is there to support it.

Thank you. Have a good day.  8)

You miss the point entirely Georger,,  and create a red herring..

I agree with the TBAR rubber band remnants and Ingrams... and no evidence of bank straps, could they have deteriorated?

Those TBAR packages (100's) were in order and nearly intact.

So,

Was the TBAR rubber fragment around a single package (100) or a bundle (several packages)?
Were the ransom packages (100's) in money straps and rubber bands? or just the bundles (several packages)

If Tina saw and meant bank straps (IMO-YES), were they then removed before deposit on TBAR? If so, that suggests TBAR money was discarded later... by a human.

BTW, I have gone back and read up on this and found confusion between the use of the terms "packages" and "bundles". 

In the bank context, a package is the contained stack of 100 bills, a bundle is a contained group of packages.

The bank guy rebanded (rubber) the bundles not the packages.

Tina said:  small packages with bank-type bands around each package

The only person introducing red herrings here is YOU. Tina was speaking in common ordinary language, not technical language. Tina said "bank type bands"  which is a general expression and she said nothing about bundles vs packages vs rubber vs paper strap 'bands'! You come along and you want everything anyone says parsed into "technical distinctions" which in fact was not Tina's purpose. Stop making technical distinctions with what Tina said! Tina is not available to answer or clarify your "technical" questions. Any technical distinctions you surmise are pure conjecture on your part and have literally nothing to do with what Tina said and meant. Go ask Tina what she meant! But, don't sit at your computer and tell anyone what Tina meant - technically! You are not Tina. You were not there. Stop telling us what Tina meant! It is you raising these issues, not me! The only red herrings swimming around here are you and yours!  :rofl: 

You continually pose solutions and alternative facts to problems that do not even exist! There is a word for that it is called INVENTION. You are inventing new facts and that is all you are doing. You are a virtuoso at splitting hairs -  ;)

Which 'marshmallow' will you split into fifty pieces next?
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« Reply #3084 on: July 07, 2018, 09:49:54 PM »
Are you kidding me ?????   Am I to understand that Hahneman has been pushed this entire time by Flyjack, for MONETARY interest (promoting a book)?   Despite how great a suspect Hahneman might be, it won't overcome the distaste right now if this is true.
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« Reply #3085 on: July 07, 2018, 10:35:07 PM »
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Are you kidding me ?????   Am I to understand that Flyjack has been pushing Hahneman this entire time for MONETARY interest (promoting a book)?   Despite how great a suspect Hahneman might be, it won't overcome the distaste right now if this is true.

No book, Georger is just a subversive liar.. he is again throwing his passive-aggressive tantrum to mask his fragile ego, subject ignorance and overwhelming "Cooper" irrelevancy..

Best to ignore him.. he just wants attention..
 

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« Reply #3086 on: July 08, 2018, 05:56:11 AM »
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Are you kidding me ?????   Am I to understand that Flyjack has been pushing Hahneman this entire time for MONETARY interest (promoting a book)?   Despite how great a suspect Hahneman might be, it won't overcome the distaste right now if this is true.

No book, Georger is just a subversive liar.. he is again throwing his passive-aggressive tantrum to mask his fragile ego, subject ignorance and overwhelming "Cooper" irrelevancy..

Best to ignore him.. he just wants attention..




Georger wants attention?  Not at all.  You got that one wrong.  How about you, Flyjack?  Your posts cry out for attention.

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Are you kidding me ?????   Am I to understand that Flyjack has been pushing Hahneman this entire time for MONETARY interest (promoting a book)?   Despite how great a suspect Hahneman might be, it won't overcome the distaste right now if this is true.

No book, Georger is just a subversive liar.. he is again throwing his passive-aggressive tantrum to mask his fragile ego, subject ignorance and overwhelming "Cooper" irrelevancy..

Best to ignore him.. he just wants attention..




Georger wants attention?  Not at all.  You got that one wrong.  How about you, Flyjack?  Your posts cry out for attention.

Meyer

Mister Freeze, welcome back.   Flyjack seems to be trying to solve the hijack, not pushing a book, or basking in comical vanity based on false Cooper world status. However, If he or anyone is selling out and has a hidden agenda, then nevermind.
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« Reply #3088 on: July 08, 2018, 03:33:04 PM »
ENOUGH with the personal attacks from several on this forum...I don't want to shut the thread down AGAIN!

Simply disagree with what is posted or don't post at all...The Mountain News can be a place for you to spend all of your time insulting and falsely accusing someone you disagree with. Close to 2,000 comments full of BS...right in the epic center Robert M Blevins can be found!

You guys are arguing over one S or two?
This word can take either double or single s, with the single option being highly preferred.

You want to hear about problems? The major contractor I work for is in big trouble because of stupidity.. to date they are being charged $41,000 in liquidation damages and have to reinstall $30,000 worth of product they fucked up on a huge warehouse...$1,000 per day and the clock is still running. This is my bread and butter so this little internet mind fucking games you all play is childish compared to what I'm dealing with now..they used interior floor glue causing the metal to come loose and leak onto the finished product and ground below...to top it off they put the glue to close to the edges causing it to come out of the seems and they smeared it making it worse..it sat for a week and now I'm trying to get the stain of the material but it appears to be burnt in from the hot sun. this will be my third attempt to try and remove the stains..I'm waiting for the temperature to go down before I go back out to the site. This is on 7 sections of the building, over 400 feet long of material...sadly, the crew that was on the job shouldn't have been left alone so the blame is any several places..
 

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Are you kidding me ?????   Am I to understand that Flyjack has been pushing Hahneman this entire time for MONETARY interest (promoting a book)?   Despite how great a suspect Hahneman might be, it won't overcome the distaste right now if this is true.

No book, Georger is just a subversive liar.. he is again throwing his passive-aggressive tantrum to mask his fragile ego, subject ignorance and overwhelming "Cooper" irrelevancy..

Best to ignore him.. he just wants attention..




Georger wants attention?  Not at all.  You got that one wrong.  How about you, Flyjack?  Your posts cry out for attention.

Meyer

Flyjack STOP ... with the personal attacks.

YOUR ATTACKS ARE  M-O-R-O-N-I-C!   STOP YOUR PERSONAL ATTACKS!