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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2430 on: March 15, 2018, 04:48:49 PM »
In some ways the disinformation about Cooper doesn't matter much. The chute is still missing and when it is found nothing claimed about Duane or Kenny is gonna make someone who knows about Cooper and NORJACK ignore the find.

In other ways, the disinformation matters a lot as it gets repeated over and over. Eventually, it becomes accepted by causal researchers as accurate.

On another subject, I have been pondering the withheld info that the FBI uses to discredit false heirs to the Cooper throne. Would they have cautioned Tina and the other crew how important it was not to disclose it? Isn't it likely to be something that Tina knows about?  Speculation welcome.

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2431 on: March 15, 2018, 05:23:46 PM »
Dan Gryder is still on youtube. If you go there and search his name, several videos come up. Most are plane videos but some are of him playing music.

For whatever reason, he seems to have lost all interest in the Cooper case. I commented a few years ago on his Cooper video (the one he filmed in a bank) and asked if he planned on returning to the DZ and finish his story. He made a not so nice comment about the people at DZ so I knew at that point that getting the rest of his story wasn't likely. Some time later he pulled that video down altogether. I always thought his suspect was McCoy because he mentioned a "simulated gun" in his video. McCoy actually used a fake gun in his prison escape. He never denied or admitted that McCoy was his guy. I guess we'll never know how his story ends.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2432 on: March 15, 2018, 05:59:45 PM »
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In some ways the disinformation about Cooper doesn't matter much. The chute is still missing and when it is found nothing claimed about Duane or Kenny is gonna make someone who knows about Cooper and NORJACK ignore the find.

In other ways, the disinformation matters a lot as it gets repeated over and over. Eventually, it becomes accepted by causal researchers as accurate.

On another subject, I have been pondering the withheld info that the FBI uses to discredit false heirs to the Cooper throne. Would they have cautioned Tina and the other crew how important it was not to disclose it? Isn't it likely to be something that Tina knows about?  Speculation welcome.

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What bothers me greatly is the complete lack of interest in acquiring new facts in the Cooper case, vs people spouting cliches and spinning their agendas at the expense of real evidence. That goes on all the time. For example: we now know that Dorwin Schreuder was VERY IMPORTANT in the Norjak case. Schreuder provided key information, played a key role(s), et cetera. And yawl just sit and watch it happen without one word.  :congrats:
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2433 on: March 15, 2018, 08:13:56 PM »
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2434 on: March 15, 2018, 08:24:24 PM »
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Dan Gryder is still on youtube. If you go there and search his name, several videos come up. Most are plane videos but some are of him playing music.

For whatever reason, he seems to have lost all interest in the Cooper case. I commented a few years ago on his Cooper video (the one he filmed in a bank) and asked if he planned on returning to the DZ and finish his story. He made a not so nice comment about the people at DZ so I knew at that point that getting the rest of his story wasn't likely. Some time later he pulled that video down altogether. I always thought his suspect was McCoy because he mentioned a "simulated gun" in his video. McCoy actually used a fake gun in his prison escape. He never denied or admitted that McCoy was his guy. I guess we'll never know how his story ends.

I remember the video..he made 200 bundles of paper placing them on his table during the video...I asked him years ago if he was taking his information that can be found in the FBI vault about the guy with the phony $20..he claimed he had a gun and the story he was telling was very similar..he blocked me on his channel, never replied... :rofl:
 

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« Reply #2435 on: March 15, 2018, 08:25:50 PM »
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In some ways the disinformation about Cooper doesn't matter much.

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I have mixed feelings about the value of disinformation, 377, including the idea that the Blevins-Kenny movie will serve a higher purpose, namely keeping the DB Cooper story alive.

I have found over the years that the Blevins productions are dangerous. His info, and most especially the Brad Meltzer Decoded disaster, embeds a narrative deeply into many minds and is becomes unshakable. I have encountered many of the Blevins Believers at Ariel, on talk radio shows, et. al., and they never seem really dissuaded when presented with the facts. I continue to be very surprised - and dismayed - by how deeply the Blevins-Kenny story resonates with some people.

I continue to be surprised by Sir Robert himself. He is the slickest spin meister I have ever seen in action. His performance in the "Commentary" section of Cooper pieces at the Mountain News is utterly amazing. No one ever gets him to apologize or recognize his errors. I gave up on that task a long time ago. Others, though, continue to play that game and argue with him endlessly. One DBC story at the MN has nearly 400 comments, half of which are by RMB. My only recourse as editor is to ban all commentaries and I am reluctant to do so.

Lastly, if anyone misses the good ole days at the DZ, come on over to the MN. It's Show Time! By contrast, this forum is Tea Time With the Queen.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2436 on: March 15, 2018, 08:35:36 PM »
He is truly a spin doctor...he goes after Colbert, the main reason is exposure, that's what he is jealous of..he goes on and on about the age thingy while promoting a short bald guy?

Also, Marla, is not Marla, and I don't recall the comments she has made against Georger..don't you know how to check IP's over there? lots of phony accounts posting...Marla hates Robert...

I'm finding it really hard that Robert has control of the script...this can't be a actual Hollywood film..they would buy the rights, sign a contract and contact you when needed. they wouldn't allow anyone to control them..
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2437 on: March 15, 2018, 08:58:37 PM »
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I have found over the years that the Blevins productions are dangerous. His info, and most especially the Brad Meltzer Decoded disaster, embeds a narrative deeply into many minds and is becomes unshakable.

The word "hypocrite" comes to mind..he goes after every suspect that gets exposure and tries to find flaws, but when he's confronted with his own flaws, it's no big deal, or it was long ago...then when he's cornered, the " I'm done with Cooper and will no longer respond" shows up, and once again, he starts commenting (hours later) like nothing ever happened..he tried to put blame on me with the Nickyb ordeal, something I had no idea about? it's like when Hollywood glosses right over how many predators they have in there circle..no big deal....I think it boils down to him believing everyone is as dirty as he is, that's why he's so paranoid..

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« Reply #2438 on: March 15, 2018, 11:46:11 PM »
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In some ways the disinformation about Cooper doesn't matter much.

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I have mixed feelings about the value of disinformation, 377, including the idea that the Blevins-Kenny movie will serve a higher purpose, namely keeping the DB Cooper story alive.

I have found over the years that the Blevins productions are dangerous. His info, and most especially the Brad Meltzer Decoded disaster, embeds a narrative deeply into many minds and is becomes unshakable. I have encountered many of the Blevins Believers at Ariel, on talk radio shows, et. al., and they never seem really dissuaded when presented with the facts. I continue to be very surprised - and dismayed - by how deeply the Blevins-Kenny story resonates with some people.

I continue to be surprised by Sir Robert himself. He is the slickest spin meister I have ever seen in action. His performance in the "Commentary" section of Cooper pieces at the Mountain News is utterly amazing. No one ever gets him to apologize or recognize his errors. I gave up on that task a long time ago. Others, though, continue to play that game and argue with him endlessly. One DBC story at the MN has nearly 400 comments, half of which are by RMB. My only recourse as editor is to ban all commentaries and I am reluctant to do so.

Lastly, if anyone misses the good ole days at the DZ, come on over to the MN. It's Show Time! By contrast, this forum is Tea Time With the Queen.

I enjoy Tea Time With the Queen.  vote the smileycode and safe
 

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« Reply #2439 on: March 15, 2018, 11:58:59 PM »
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In some ways the disinformation about Cooper doesn't matter much.

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I have mixed feelings about the value of disinformation, 377, including the idea that the Blevins-Kenny movie will serve a higher purpose, namely keeping the DB Cooper story alive.

I have found over the years that the Blevins productions are dangerous. His info, and most especially the Brad Meltzer Decoded disaster, embeds a narrative deeply into many minds and is becomes unshakable. I have encountered many of the Blevins Believers at Ariel, on talk radio shows, et. al., and they never seem really dissuaded when presented with the facts. I continue to be very surprised - and dismayed - by how deeply the Blevins-Kenny story resonates with some people.

I continue to be surprised by Sir Robert himself. He is the slickest spin meister I have ever seen in action. His performance in the "Commentary" section of Cooper pieces at the Mountain News is utterly amazing. No one ever gets him to apologize or recognize his errors. I gave up on that task a long time ago. Others, though, continue to play that game and argue with him endlessly. One DBC story at the MN has nearly 400 comments, half of which are by RMB. My only recourse as editor is to ban all commentaries and I am reluctant to do so.

Lastly, if anyone misses the good ole days at the DZ, come on over to the MN. It's Show Time! By contrast, this forum is Tea Time With the Queen.

Hmmmm, and the rest of the story is! ?  >:D
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« Reply #2440 on: March 16, 2018, 10:34:20 AM »
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Really glad to see TC is still active on sleuthing NORJACK. He must have spent a fortune. His Rackstraw book has been quite successful (I recommend it) but I bet the profits amount to only a tiny fraction of his expenses.

There are some contradictions in the Rackstraw story that don't make sense to me, like allegedly throwing $50,000 away to make it look like he cratered and subsequently writing letters to newspapers that claim he is alive and contain coded clues to his identity. One of TC's endorsers, a psychologist, says it is typical narcissistic personality behavior.

Hope Tom is successful in his efforts to get a documentary made. If he can get Rackstraw to confess on camera, it will be huge. Rackstraw is a clever con man. If he can figure out how to safely profit from his notoriety he might finger himself as Cooper, whether true or not.

ANYTHING that keeps DB Cooper in the public eye is good in my view. A Blevins Kenny movie is just fine with me and I wish him luck.

There are so many interesting candidates. Sheridan Peterson has led a fascinating life. So has Bob Rackstraw. Ted Braden too. Duane, not so much, unless you believe Jo's account that he was a tech-savvy, jump trained, covert spook double triple agent operative.

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Per 377:  A Blevins Kenny movie is just fine with me and I wish him luck.  Good Heavens, 377, call your shrink right now. ;)

I hope Blevins movie gets made.  Anything that creates interest in the case is a good thing.

I always go back to the movie "JFK".  Oliver Stone took several conspiracy theories, wove them together, invented characters and facts to make it all fit together and tell a good story.  Even though it was not credible it sparked interest in the case and got classified documents released.    (And Georger wasn't even mentioned in it!   :()

So, good luck to Colbert and Blevins.
 

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« Reply #2441 on: March 16, 2018, 03:23:12 PM »
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Really glad to see TC is still active on sleuthing NORJACK. He must have spent a fortune. His Rackstraw book has been quite successful (I recommend it) but I bet the profits amount to only a tiny fraction of his expenses.

There are some contradictions in the Rackstraw story that don't make sense to me, like allegedly throwing $50,000 away to make it look like he cratered and subsequently writing letters to newspapers that claim he is alive and contain coded clues to his identity. One of TC's endorsers, a psychologist, says it is typical narcissistic personality behavior.

Hope Tom is successful in his efforts to get a documentary made. If he can get Rackstraw to confess on camera, it will be huge. Rackstraw is a clever con man. If he can figure out how to safely profit from his notoriety he might finger himself as Cooper, whether true or not.

ANYTHING that keeps DB Cooper in the public eye is good in my view. A Blevins Kenny movie is just fine with me and I wish him luck.

There are so many interesting candidates. Sheridan Peterson has led a fascinating life. So has Bob Rackstraw. Ted Braden too. Duane, not so much, unless you believe Jo's account that he was a tech-savvy, jump trained, covert spook double triple agent operative.

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Per 377:  A Blevins Kenny movie is just fine with me and I wish him luck.  Good Heavens, 377, call your shrink right now. ;)

I hope Blevins movie gets made.  Anything that creates interest in the case is a good thing.

I always go back to the movie "JFK".  Oliver Stone took several conspiracy theories, wove them together, invented characters and facts to make it all fit together and tell a good story.  Even though it was not credible it sparked interest in the case and got classified documents released.    (And Georger wasn't even mentioned in it!   :()

So, good luck to Colbert and Blevins.

Watching pancake flipping, really fascinates Cooperites! Some prefer it to heroin.

If you want to watch Blevins go to the Mountain News - RMB seems to prefer that open site to his own closed site since nobody will go there or post there! He opens and closes his own site five times a week for some reason to work around complaints! He watches this site 24/7. If he doesnt like what you say here he will just call any number he has for you and leave a hangup message to harass you. Blevins' methods are well known!!! It never dawns on Blevins and these other clown that some phone numbers are being monitored by security! Oh well. Crooks are generally stupid.

The excuse that all of this harassment is keeping Cooper in the news, is just nonsense. Some people believe the opposite is happening. For example the FBI did shut down the public resources devoted to the case citing 'a waste of our resources'. Maybe some things mean exactly what they say! ?   8) 
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« Reply #2442 on: March 16, 2018, 04:39:55 PM »
Georger wrote: "Maybe some things mean exactly what they say! ?   8)"

Not in the Vortex.  ;)

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« Reply #2443 on: March 16, 2018, 04:48:45 PM »
I've been thinking about it some more. There have been big setbacks due to misinformation and petty vindictive behavior.

CKRET was a huge asset, a real active duty FBI SA with a strong personal interest in solving the Cooper case and the freedom to communicate directly with Vortex dwellers and fellow travelers. Jo got him shut down with her petty complaints to his superiors. Like him or not (I liked him) CKRET was a unique asset and he was taken away from us. Jo didn't care. CKRET didn't think Duane was DBC so he was of no value to her.

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« Reply #2444 on: March 16, 2018, 06:59:32 PM »
I respect Ckret immensely, as his contributions on the DZ are/were invaluable. But I found him prickly. I don't believe he ever responded to me on the DZ, although I had just joined as he was leaving so I had very little opportunity to communicate with him.