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« Reply #8265 on: October 07, 2021, 05:23:29 PM »
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Tom Colbert has entered into the world of the Zodiac Killer:

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As someone who has researched the Zodiac case for over a decade, I can say with near certainty that Gary Poste is NOT the Zodiac Killer. I won't refute every piece of evidence, but suffice to say, I'm afraid Colbert has fingered the wrong guy again.

I wondered when I saw that yesterday if it was the same cold case team that fingered Rackstraw. I can't say that Poste is or is not the Zodiac Killer, but in everything that I have saw thus far, I have yet to see anything that makes me believe that he is. It's amazing how these people can put this stuff out there without any supporting evidence, and some people actually buy into the BS.

My bet is that a book is on the horizon in the next week or so.
 

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« Reply #8266 on: October 07, 2021, 05:57:41 PM »
Agreed. There is a 100% chance that this will be monetized despite Poste being a terrible suspect.
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #8267 on: October 07, 2021, 06:30:16 PM »
I was actually just going to ask you this very thing Chaucer. I know little about the Zodiac case but I heard you on the Vortex podcast saying you put a lot of time into it
 

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« Reply #8268 on: October 07, 2021, 07:41:56 PM »
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I was actually just going to ask you this very thing Chaucer. I know little about the Zodiac case but I heard you on the Vortex podcast saying you put a lot of time into it
Yes, I wouldn't put much stock into it. The Zodiac case will be solved when law enforcement holds a press conference and announces it solved, not when Fox News and TMZ does.

This is a classic case of the suspect governing the conclusions rather than the evidence. The supposed coded anagram of Poste's name has already been thoroughly debunked. They also say they matched up scars on Poste's forehead with "scars on the sketch of the Zodiac". The problem is there are NO SCARS on the Zodiac sketch. Those involved are claiming that they have DNA evidence linking Poste, but the Zodiac DNA is only a partial and this group was never given access to it.

Meanwhile, the police and FBI released a statement declaring the case "still unsolved".

This entire Poste affair is looking more and more like a pathetic grift and nothing more.
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« Reply #8269 on: October 07, 2021, 08:08:06 PM »
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I was actually just going to ask you this very thing Chaucer. I know little about the Zodiac case but I heard you on the Vortex podcast saying you put a lot of time into it
Yes, I wouldn't put much stock into it. The Zodiac case will be solved when law enforcement holds a press conference and announces it solved, not when Fox News and TMZ does.

This is a classic case of the suspect governing the conclusions rather than the evidence. The supposed coded anagram of Poste's name has already been thoroughly debunked. They also say they matched up scars on Poste's forehead with "scars on the sketch of the Zodiac". The problem is there are NO SCARS on the Zodiac sketch. Those involved are claiming that they have DNA evidence linking Poste, but the Zodiac DNA is only a partial and this group was never given access to it.

Meanwhile, the police and FBI released a statement declaring the case "still unsolved".

This entire Poste affair is looking more and more like a pathetic grift and nothing more.

I'm glad you mentioned the scar. When I read that in the article, the first thing that I thought was that I didn't remember ever hearing anything about scars in the description of Zodiac.
 

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« Reply #8270 on: October 07, 2021, 08:52:41 PM »
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Tom Colbert has entered into the world of the Zodiac Killer:

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As someone who has researched the Zodiac case for over a decade, I can say with near certainty that Gary Poste is NOT the Zodiac Killer. I won't refute every piece of evidence, but suffice to say, I'm afraid Colbert has fingered the wrong guy again.

Why not Ross Sullivan?
 

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« Reply #8271 on: October 07, 2021, 09:18:18 PM »
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Why not Ross Sullivan?
Sullivan was a hot suspect a few years back. That's changed. Sullivan was 6' 2" and most of the eyewitness descriptions put Zodiac as 5 or 6 inches shorter. Also, there are strong indications that Sullivan was institutionalized for a schizophrenic episode at the time of one of the murders. Lastly, a document was released that proved that Sullivan's prints did not match the prints at the Paul Stine murder.
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« Reply #8272 on: October 08, 2021, 01:01:22 AM »
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Why not Ross Sullivan?
Sullivan was a hot suspect a few years back. That's changed. Sullivan was 6' 2" and most of the eyewitness descriptions put Zodiac as 5 or 6 inches shorter. Also, there are strong indications that Sullivan was institutionalized for a schizophrenic episode at the time of one of the murders. Lastly, a document was released that proved that Sullivan's prints did not match the prints at the Paul Stine murder.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sullivan was more of a "suspect" of the Bates murder than the Zodiac murders. Only if Bates was a Zodiac victim, does Sullivan become a Zodiac suspect. Correct?
 

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« Reply #8273 on: October 08, 2021, 07:54:49 AM »
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Why not Ross Sullivan?
Sullivan was a hot suspect a few years back. That's changed. Sullivan was 6' 2" and most of the eyewitness descriptions put Zodiac as 5 or 6 inches shorter. Also, there are strong indications that Sullivan was institutionalized for a schizophrenic episode at the time of one of the murders. Lastly, a document was released that proved that Sullivan's prints did not match the prints at the Paul Stine murder.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sullivan was more of a "suspect" of the Bates murder than the Zodiac murders. Only if Bates was a Zodiac victim, does Sullivan become a Zodiac suspect. Correct?
Essentially, yes. He was originally suspected by co-workers of the Bates murder in Riverside. However, he was able to supply an alibi to police. When that crime was thought to be a Zodiac crime, Sullivan popped up as a suspect for both as he does bear an eerie resemblance to the Zodiac sketch.

Recently, the Bates murder seems less and less likely to be the work of the Zodiac Killer. In fact, Riverside police believe unequivocally that it is not.
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« Reply #8274 on: October 12, 2021, 03:05:53 PM »
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Why not Ross Sullivan?
Sullivan was a hot suspect a few years back. That's changed. Sullivan was 6' 2" and most of the eyewitness descriptions put Zodiac as 5 or 6 inches shorter. Also, there are strong indications that Sullivan was institutionalized for a schizophrenic episode at the time of one of the murders. Lastly, a document was released that proved that Sullivan's prints did not match the prints at the Paul Stine murder.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sullivan was more of a "suspect" of the Bates murder than the Zodiac murders. Only if Bates was a Zodiac victim, does Sullivan become a Zodiac suspect. Correct?
Essentially, yes. He was originally suspected by co-workers of the Bates murder in Riverside. However, he was able to supply an alibi to police. When that crime was thought to be a Zodiac crime, Sullivan popped up as a suspect for both as he does bear an eerie resemblance to the Zodiac sketch.

Recently, the Bates murder seems less and less likely to be the work of the Zodiac Killer. In fact, Riverside police believe unequivocally that it is not.

Late last week, the FBI released a statement that the Zodiac has never been identified and that the Zodiac ciphers have never been solved.  That should clear the air on the matter.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #8275 on: October 12, 2021, 05:06:55 PM »
The 340 was solved and also  another  cypher was solved.
 

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« Reply #8276 on: October 12, 2021, 05:37:15 PM »
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The 340 was solved and also  another  cypher was solved.

The FBI said last weekend that none of the Zodiac ciphers had been solved.  And for reasons I am not going to explain, they are absolutely correct.
 

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« Reply #8277 on: October 12, 2021, 06:21:07 PM »
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The 340 was solved and also  another  cypher was solved.

The FBI said last weekend that none of the Zodiac ciphers had been solved.  And for reasons I am not going to explain, they are absolutely correct.

For reasons I'm not going to explain, Robert99 is the only one apparently, that believes Z340 is unsolved.
Hmm, is Robert99 the Zodiac? How else to explain?

ECIDARAP
 

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« Reply #8278 on: October 12, 2021, 06:27:47 PM »
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The 340 was solved and also  another  cypher was solved.

The FBI said last weekend that none of the Zodiac ciphers had been solved.  And for reasons I am not going to explain, they are absolutely correct.

For reasons I'm not going to explain, Robert99 is the only one apparently, that believes Z340 is unsolved.
Hmm, is Robert99 the Zodiac? How else to explain?

ECIDARAP

No, I am not the Zodiac and neither are you.  Is the supposed Z340 solution you mention the same one that was put out several years ago?  If there is a newer one, where can I find it? 
 

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« Reply #8279 on: October 12, 2021, 07:01:45 PM »
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The 340 was solved and also  another  cypher was solved.

The FBI said last weekend that none of the Zodiac ciphers had been solved.  And for reasons I am not going to explain, they are absolutely correct.

For reasons I'm not going to explain, Robert99 is the only one apparently, that believes Z340 is unsolved.
Hmm, is Robert99 the Zodiac? How else to explain?

ECIDARAP

No, I am not the Zodiac and neither are you.  Is the supposed Z340 solution you mention the same one that was put out several years ago?  If there is a newer one, where can I find it?

several years ago? Z340 was just solved last year. 12/5/2020
David Oranchak posted on youtube 12/11/2020

Basically it was solved during covid lockdown.

Oranchak, a Roanoke-based software developer and a 1997 computer engineering graduate of Virginia Tech, had been working with Australian applied mathematician Sam Blake and Belgian warehouse operator and programmer Jarl Van Eycke to produce and examine the solutions since March 2020.

It's solution is well covered by many articles.
The deciphering was first explained in a youtube video. FBI confirmed the deciphering shortly after.

detail on how it was decoded by Dave Oranchak, Sam Blake and Jarl Van Eycke.


Oranchak, Blake, and Van Eycke had produced their cipher solutions in several steps broken up between them: Blake rearranged the second cipher's 340 symbols in 650,000 ways, moving them around in unique patterns using a technique known as transposition in cryptography, the age-old practice of making and breaking codes. He sent the variations in batches to Oranchak, who fed them through a program Van Eycke had designed to decrypt the symbols into plain English text.

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So, the core of the cipher system turned out to be a combination of a “knight move” transposition (down one row and along two columns) plus the Zodiac Killer’s trademark set of reflected letter homophonic cipher shapes.

However, Zodiac – clearly stung by the ease with which his first major cipher had been cracked – threw in some extra confounding factors.

At the end of the top line, he wrote the words “LIFE IS” in his homophonic cipher (not transposed)
At the end of the bottom line, he wrote the word “DEATH” in his homophonic cipher (also not transposed)
The rest of the bottom two lines were written in his homophonic cipher, but with the letter-order of some of the words reversed (e.g. the Zodiac’s signature word “PARADICE” was written as “ECIDARAP”)
The remainder of the cipher was split into two nine-line blocks, where the order of the letters was transposed using knight’s move reordering.
There was also, annoyingly, a single row of ciphered letters in the middle that were out by a single column, which skewed all the text passing through it. It’s fairly easy to see that once you’ve got everything else right, though.

This was – I hope you’ll agree – a simply epic slab of codebreaking. Congratulations to David Oranchak, Sam Blake, and Jarl Van Eycke!!!!

More details (including the FBI’s statement) can be found here.

All in all, the Z340 plaintext reads:

I HOPE YOU ARE HAVING LOTS OF FUN IN TRYING TO CATCH ME
THAT WASNT ME ON THE TV SHOW
WHICH BRINGS UP A POINT ABOUT ME
I AM NOT AFRAID OF THE GAS CHAMBER
BECAUSE IT WILL SEND ME TO PARADICE ALL THE SOONER
BECAUSE I NOW HAVE ENOUGH SLAVES TO WORK FOR ME
WHERE EVERYONE ELSE HAS NOTHING WHEN THEY REACH PARADICE
SO THEY ARE AFRAID OF DEATH
I AM NOT AFRAID BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MY NEW LIFE
WILL BE AN EASY ONE IN PARADICE

LIFE IS DEATH


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