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[Shutter]

I'm sure one can think of several reasons he "possibly" made the codes...his name, who he would kill next and where. if it was made to be that simple he would of made it easier?

[MEYDC]

The criminal mind is always puzzling. some write letters to taunt and some even write them to get caught. serial killers can be very intelligent. zodiac could of used his method for distraction only, which appears to have worked. the message doesn't HAVE to lead to anything or incriminate. the fact of no evidence in the codes is hardly grounds for dismissal..the three involved in the codes also admit it doesn't forward the case. perhaps, it's exactly what Zodiac planned from the beginning. lots of people were trying to crack the code hoping to catch him that way while he was killing.

The zodiac case has had others trying to crack the codes. the FBI has already admitted they "had no merit" however, this doesn't appear to be the case this time around. it's not just agents stating it's been cracked.

the 408 and  340 have been solved. You Robert are the only one that thinks that they haven't.

In deciphering codes, it is a always a good idea to determine what constitutes the code before you proceed with the deciphering.  Things just work better that way.  And that has not happened with either the Z408 or Z340 codes.

[Chaucer]

I'm sure one can think of several reasons he "possibly" made the codes...his name, who he would kill next and where. if it was made to be that simple he would of made it easier?

There has always been an underlying myth/theory/feeing that Zodiac hid clues to his identity in his codes and letters. People have spent years trying to piece together weird, esoteric hints that Zodiac left in hopes that it identifies him. I think these people are misguided. I don't think Zodiac wanted anyone to know who he was. Rather, I think he got a kick out of sending people on wild goose chases.

[Shutter]

Correct, as I mentioned it could of simply been done to distract. a very good one.

[Shutter]

I think it would of been easy for Cooper to do the same by sending one of the bills to the FBI vs putting it in the ground. you would expect some proof in the many letters sent to the FBI over the years making it clear who sent the letter..

[Robert99]

The criminal mind is always puzzling. some write letters to taunt and some even write them to get caught. serial killers can be very intelligent. zodiac could of used his method for distraction only, which appears to have worked. the message doesn't HAVE to lead to anything or incriminate. the fact of no evidence in the codes is hardly grounds for dismissal..the three involved in the codes also admit it doesn't forward the case. perhaps, it's exactly what Zodiac planned from the beginning. lots of people were trying to crack the code hoping to catch him that way while he was killing.

The zodiac case has had others trying to crack the codes. the FBI has already admitted they "had no merit" however, this doesn't appear to be the case this time around. it's not just agents stating it's been cracked.

the 408 and  340 have been solved. You Robert are the only one that thinks that they haven't.

In deciphering codes, it is a always a good idea to determine what constitutes the code before you proceed with the deciphering.  Things just work better that way.  And that has not happened with either the Z408 or Z340 codes.

MEYDC, I am not alone in my statements on the Zodiac, you are the one who is on the outside looking in.

[Shutter]

Robert, you seem to be the one going against everyone. please explain why you don't believe any codes have been broken.

[georger]

The criminal mind is always puzzling. some write letters to taunt and some even write them to get caught. serial killers can be very intelligent. zodiac could of used his method for distraction only, which appears to have worked. the message doesn't HAVE to lead to anything or incriminate. the fact of no evidence in the codes is hardly grounds for dismissal..the three involved in the codes also admit it doesn't forward the case. perhaps, it's exactly what Zodiac planned from the beginning. lots of people were trying to crack the code hoping to catch him that way while he was killing.

The zodiac case has had others trying to crack the codes. the FBI has already admitted they "had no merit" however, this doesn't appear to be the case this time around. it's not just agents stating it's been cracked.

the 408 and  340 have been solved. You Robert are the only one that thinks that they haven't.

In deciphering codes, it is a always a good idea to determine what constitutes the code before you proceed with the deciphering.  Things just work better that way.  And that has not happened with either the Z408 or Z340 codes.

MEYDC, I am not alone in my statements on the Zodiac, you are the one who is on the outside looking in.

Give some details - examples - who what when where ......... ?

[Robert99]

The criminal mind is always puzzling. some write letters to taunt and some even write them to get caught. serial killers can be very intelligent. zodiac could of used his method for distraction only, which appears to have worked. the message doesn't HAVE to lead to anything or incriminate. the fact of no evidence in the codes is hardly grounds for dismissal..the three involved in the codes also admit it doesn't forward the case. perhaps, it's exactly what Zodiac planned from the beginning. lots of people were trying to crack the code hoping to catch him that way while he was killing.

The zodiac case has had others trying to crack the codes. the FBI has already admitted they "had no merit" however, this doesn't appear to be the case this time around. it's not just agents stating it's been cracked.

the 408 and  340 have been solved. You Robert are the only one that thinks that they haven't.

In deciphering codes, it is a always a good idea to determine what constitutes the code before you proceed with the deciphering.  Things just work better that way.  And that has not happened with either the Z408 or Z340 codes.

MEYDC, I am not alone in my statements on the Zodiac, you are the one who is on the outside looking in.

Give some details - examples - who what when where ......... ?

Why bother?  It would just be a waste of time and result in meaningless posts on the matter.

[Shutter]

Robert, that's a very bad way of looking at this. you have repeatedly made claims and now refuse to show the reasoning?

[Robert99]

Robert, that's a very bad way of looking at this. you have repeatedly made claims and now refuse to show the reasoning?

Shutter, there is ever indication that the Zodiac is still alive and I'll bet he is having a good laugh about the current claims of solutions to his codes.  A number of people with appropriate qualifications are also involved with the analysis of these codes.  They have made enough progress to be able to determine that the current proposed solutions to the Z408 and Z340 codes cannot be correct.  Actually, I have already stated the reasons for this a number of times.

At the present time, only the Zodiac or someone he has so informed knows the solution to or contents of these codes.  These codes are unique and with an infinite number of possible combinations or "solutions".  The Zodiac is not the village idiot and knew exactly what he was doing when he prepared these codes.  It is entirely possible and even likely that the Zodiac codes will never be solved.  Nevertheless, they continue to be of interest to a number of people.

In order to keep this subject from becoming "blevinized", I am not going to make any further comment on it here.  But I stand by everything I have stated here.

[georger]

Robert, that's a very bad way of looking at this. you have repeatedly made claims and now refuse to show the reasoning?

Shutter, there is ever indication that the Zodiac is still alive and I'll bet he is having a good laugh about the current claims of solutions to his codes.  A number of people with appropriate qualifications are also involved with the analysis of these codes.  They have made enough progress to be able to determine that the current proposed solutions to the Z408 and Z340 codes cannot be correct.  Actually, I have already stated the reasons for this a number of times.

At the present time, only the Zodiac or someone he has so informed knows the solution to or contents of these codes.  These codes are unique and with an infinite number of possible combinations or "solutions".  The Zodiac is not the village idiot and knew exactly what he was doing when he prepared these codes.  It is entirely possible and even likely that the Zodiac codes will never be solved.  Nevertheless, they continue to be of interest to a number of people.

In order to keep this subject from becoming "blevinized", I am not going to make any further comment on it here.  But I stand by everything I have stated here.

Years ago you asked me if some of our cyber security/genetic designer people had ever tried to break code - you didnt explain why. I gather now you had the Zodiac code in mind. Please explain to us why, in your professional code breaking opinion, the Zodiac code is unbreakable ? If there even is a code! ? Is it possible the code hasn't been broken because it isnt a 'code' ? You know there is infinite regression 'symbolic hash' one can generate which isnt a code as such but looks like code, and has no solution because there is no underlying coded message to solve ? But it is intimidating and time-consuming as hell in its capacity to misdirect people and consume people's time . . . forever!

 

[Shutter]

David Oranchak explains how it was done..

[Robert99]

Robert, that's a very bad way of looking at this. you have repeatedly made claims and now refuse to show the reasoning?

Shutter, there is ever indication that the Zodiac is still alive and I'll bet he is having a good laugh about the current claims of solutions to his codes.  A number of people with appropriate qualifications are also involved with the analysis of these codes.  They have made enough progress to be able to determine that the current proposed solutions to the Z408 and Z340 codes cannot be correct.  Actually, I have already stated the reasons for this a number of times.

At the present time, only the Zodiac or someone he has so informed knows the solution to or contents of these codes.  These codes are unique and with an infinite number of possible combinations or "solutions".  The Zodiac is not the village idiot and knew exactly what he was doing when he prepared these codes.  It is entirely possible and even likely that the Zodiac codes will never be solved.  Nevertheless, they continue to be of interest to a number of people.

In order to keep this subject from becoming "blevinized", I am not going to make any further comment on it here.  But I stand by everything I have stated here.

Years ago you asked me if some of our cyber security/genetic designer people had ever tried to break code - you didnt explain why. I gather now you had the Zodiac code in mind. Please explain to us why, in your professional code breaking opinion, the Zodiac code is unbreakable ? If there even is a code! ? Is it possible the code hasn't been broken because it isnt a 'code' ? You know there is infinite regression 'symbolic hash' one can generate which isnt a code as such but looks like code, and has no solution because there is no underlying coded message to solve ? But it is intimidating and time-consuming as hell in its capacity to misdirect people and consume people's time . . . forever!

 

First, I don't remember ever asking you about anything connected with the Zodiac codes.  And it is highly unlikely that I would have done so. 

Second, I didn't say that the Zodiac codes were unbreakable.  Please read posts more carefully.

Third, how many stars are there in the universe?  There may well be that many possible "solutions" to the Zodiac codes.

Fourth, there is no guarantee that the Zodiac codes contain messages.

Fifth, I have not misdirected anyone on this matter.  In reality, I have pointed out a fatal flaw in the proposed solutions that have been presented to date. 

Finally, to repeat for about the 10th or 20th time my previous statement, if you want to make any progress in solving the Zodiac codes or any codes you have to first determine what constitutes the codes.  Not a single one of the publicized proposed solutions presented over the years has done so.  Not a damn one! 

   

[Shutter]

Here David debunks Graysmith decoding,,,


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