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« Reply #6960 on: April 25, 2020, 04:30:14 PM »
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Must have been the operator's glasses were fogged by his N95 mask......

That's a big problem with me...I wear sunglasses all day and they fog them up..most job sites now require a mask while outside...

Here in the Phoenix area I think we've been relatively fortunate.

As far as wearing a mask is concerned...starting tomorrow we have temps above 100 and there is no way in hell I'm wearing a mask in those conditions...it'd be like breathing in an oven.

100 degrees is just warm in Phoenix.  Wait until summer gets here and the temperatures go to 120+.  Then you can start talking about heat.  But don't drink any Lysol in the meantime.
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6961 on: April 25, 2020, 09:04:04 PM »
When it rains, it pours....got notice a couple hours ago that fraud is on my business account and it's now locked. can't do anything about it till Monday...leaving tomorrow for Tampa..my bank caught it quick..someone tried to charge $1.00 on the account. that's typically done to see if the clone card will work..

Not sure where they got me. I pay inside for gas..went to a lot of places since yesterday..I don't think they got me online..I don't do any banking online. the bottom line is...they got me..
 

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« Reply #6962 on: April 25, 2020, 09:07:24 PM »
Shut, some businesses that do that are hotels and basically anyplace where there might be additional unforeseen charges. They check to see if the card has anything on it before accepting it. Are they certain it was fraudulent?
 

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« Reply #6963 on: April 25, 2020, 09:16:06 PM »
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Shut, some businesses that do that are hotels and basically anyplace where there might be additional unforeseen charges. They check to see if the card has anything on it before accepting it. Are they certain it was fraudulent?

Yes, never been to the gas station where the transaction took place and was miles away from that area. they will unlock the account on Monday but my card is done and have to wait for a new one...I can transfer to another account if needed..
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6964 on: April 25, 2020, 09:34:41 PM »
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When it rains, it pours....got notice a couple hours ago that fraud is on my business account and it's now locked. can't do anything about it till Monday...leaving tomorrow for Tampa..my bank caught it quick..someone tried to charge $1.00 on the account. that's typically done to see if the clone card will work..

Not sure where they got me. I pay inside for gas..went to a lot of places since yesterday..I don't think they got me online..I don't do any banking online. the bottom line is...they got me..

Shutter, if you have charged something to your credit card lately, that has not been posted to your credit card yet, and which you have not taken possession of, it might be just one of the firms checking to insure that your credit card number is good.

But if the bank notified you of it, they may have checked out the poster and found a problem with it.  If you have a national bank card, give them a call and they can explain the problem.  If you use a small bank or a limited credit card company, then all bets are off.
 

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« Reply #6965 on: April 25, 2020, 09:39:42 PM »
I use a credit union...the transaction took place at 5:30 from a gas station not affiliated with Cumberland Farms where I got gas in the morning..other attempts have now surfaced after the card was shutdown..
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6966 on: April 26, 2020, 04:18:53 AM »
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When it rains, it pours....got notice a couple hours ago that fraud is on my business account and it's now locked. can't do anything about it till Monday...leaving tomorrow for Tampa..my bank caught it quick..someone tried to charge $1.00 on the account. that's typically done to see if the clone card will work..

Not sure where they got me. I pay inside for gas..went to a lot of places since yesterday..I don't think they got me online..I don't do any banking online. the bottom line is...they got me..

Ouch. Hope it gets resolved easily and quickly.
 

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« Reply #6967 on: April 26, 2020, 06:54:50 AM »
I'm covered on fraud protection...the only problem is access to the account. when it happens on the weekend you have to wait until the banks open to sort things out. I have other accounts so I'm okay until it's resolved..I think I'm going to buy one of those RF wallets in case they got me that way...

Getting ready to hit the road for Tampa....


Here it shows the actual transaction...the second one


Point Of Sale Withdrawal SUNOCO ($99.34)
04/26/2020
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« Reply #6968 on: April 27, 2020, 11:31:05 PM »
COVID research trying everything!   You may have seen this on CNN today...  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

"Callahan and his Chinese colleagues got curious about why many of the survivors tended to be poor. “Why are these elderly poor peasants not dying?” he asks.

In reviewing 6212 COVID-19 patient records, the doctors noticed that many survivors had been suffering from chronic heartburn and were on famotidine rather than more-expensive omeprazole (Prilosec), the medicine of choice both in the United States and among wealthier Chinese. Hospitalized COVID-19 patients on famotidine appeared to be dying at a rate of about half (14% compared with 27%) for those not on the drug, although the analysis was crude and the result was not statistically significant,."    read more...

... "he says the famotidine lead underscores the importance of science diplomacy (awareness) in the face of an infectious disease that knows no borders. When it comes to experience with COVID-19, he says, “No amount of smart people at the National Institutes of Health or Harvard or Stanford can outclass an average doctor in Wuhan (who is seeing living data accumulate in his wards firsthand!) .”


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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6969 on: April 28, 2020, 12:18:44 AM »
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Where do I start!    Poster distinguishes between ATC (air traffic control) Transcripts  vs  ARINC radio patch and teletype network transcripts, and any-and-all other possible transcripts that may or may not exist, for the flight path positional information he is seeking.

The unredacted transcript he wants is an unredacted ATC transcript vs. any and all other transcripts. He claims the original unredacted ATC TRANSCRIPT would reveal "position information" which would prove a west path vs the FBI flight path. I believe he is saying 'any and all other transcripts of plane communications' are irrelevant as they would not contain words or numbers relevant to the flight path the plane flew. Or when and where Cooper jumped in the 8:10 to 8:20 period part of which is entirely missing in the published ATC Transcript, and in the NWA Transcript also, provided thru Sluggo by Carr in about 2011.

Poster further states: "Here are some facts.  Even in 1971, all radio communications between aircraft and air traffic control were recorded.  These recordings were used during investigations of accidents and incidents.  The Cooper hijacking was an "incident".

The Seattle Air Traffic Control Center recorded all radio communications it had with the hijacked airliner during the time it was in their airspace.  That includes the time frame starting with its departure from Portland a few minutes after 3:00 PM PST until it was handed off to the Oakland Air Traffic Control Center in Northern California at 9:45 PM PST.

Gerald H. Osterkamp, Chief, Seattle Center, had a transcript of those communications prepared and certified that "I hereby certify that the following is a true transcription of the recorded conversation pertaining to the subject incident".  Osterkamp had a Xerox copy of his original true transcription prepared and certified on that copy that "I certify that this is a true copy of the original which is on file at this office".  It is a partial copy of that copy that made its way into what we have today which has 19 redactions.  There is absolutely no way that we have a copy of the original transcription that Osterkamp prepared.  It is plainly evident that Osterkamp's original certifications page was prepared on a different typewriter than the redacted transcript that found its way to Sluggo or wherever."

Poster even says he has evidence of different typewriters being used! Poster has never shown the world an example of these different typewriter texts in use, which might help prove his contentions! ?


Back in the day (Dec 29, 2010 to May 2011) at Dropzone we were trying to unravel the flight communications, or plane to ground control communications, options. People were asking if vital flight plan information had been made by 305 with the ground, prior to 305 even leaving Seattle, and would there be transcripts/recordings of those communications we could see today ... for example certifying that 305 announced it was taking V23 south ? Posts were not hostile between posters then, in contrast to today! The Poster posted the following comments Dec 29, 2010:

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"...Things are vastly different in the Oakland Center transcripts which also include the "phone talk" between controllers as they discuss the aircraft's location, intentions, and flight path. The Oakland transcripts contain all the information that is necessary to figure out what the controllers and flight crew are doing. Where is that information for the Seattle Center?

Robert Nicholson

" It may not exist. As in the conversations never took place. At least not in flight.

The plane was on the ground at Sea-Tac for some time. It's entirely possible the necessary conversations took place prior to takeoff on a different frequency than they used for normal ATC comm traffic.

Purely a guess on my part, but think about it. The FBI, ATC and the airline could easily have had these discussions over a landline. Also, the options were fairly limited if they were going to follow the instructions Cooper gave. As Sluggo has made clear, V23 was the only real option.

Wolf, The air traffic control people have a protocol for handing an aircraft from one enroute controller to another. By its very nature, this is done in flight and they must communicate by phone with each other to accomplish this (any exception to this would be under extraordinary circumstanes). This could not be done prior to takeoff.

The FBI does not have anything to do with air traffic control (except maybe make "requests"). The ATC and airline people could talk to each other by phone. But the only way to communicate with the airliner was by radio.

Note that the Oakland Center transcript includes both the "phone talk" between controllers but also much more detailed conversations with the aircraft. And this is not available in the Seattle Center transcript.

Robert Nicholson
 

*edit:  If "It's entirely possible the necessary conversations took place prior to takeoff on a different frequency than they used for normal ATC comm traffic." then those conversations would not be in any ATC Transcript!    WHY would Poster then turn around years later and file an FOIA for ATC documents he has already said in 2010 'may not exist' !?   ???

The Poster-who-must-not-be-named has covered quite a bit of territory in the above post.  So I will try to get things straightened out in the my next two posts.  But a great big revelation has surfaced.  It seems that the above poster has identified himself as a librarian.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6970 on: April 28, 2020, 01:23:55 AM »
First, I need to explain how I got involved in the Cooper matter.  I was flying as a passenger on the airlines myself on the evening of the hijacking but I was east of the Mississippi River.  I heard about the hijacking that evening and over the next few days was surprised that he had not been found.  That's the way things stood with my interest until the FBI asked for public help in early 2009.  Since the Cooper hijacking did not involve brain surgery, and it wasn't rocket science either, I decided to answer the FBI's request for assistance although I had some difficulty understanding why they hadn't been able to find his jump point.  Actually, any 16 year old boy or girl who is ready to take the written test for the FAA Private Pilot examination could determine the probable jump point if the flight path information is known.  Sadly, the FBI decided to sit on the necessary information and this eliminates the possibility of accurately determining the very thing that the FBI presumably sought.  To put it another way, the FBI has made it a point to waste the time of a lot of people.  And I should add that the needed information is in the public domain regardless of any claims to the contrary.  It is just simply being withheld for no logical reason.

I started checking into the Cooper hijacking and soon ended up in touch with Sluggo.  Somewhere along the way, Sluggo told me about the Cooper thread at DropZone and I signed on there on March 9, 2009.  In familiarizing myself with the hijacking, I made it a point to visit Tina Bar and Portland/Vancouver in November 2009 to view for myself the location and the local weather.  The weather during my visit was apparently typical of November there.  The weather was in the 40s both day and night and it rained off and on ever day.

I also obtained a copy of the same flight chart information that the airline crew would have been using during the hijacking from the NARA and a subcontractor of theirs.  This was passed to Sluggo who posted it on his web site and mentioned it, along with my name, in a post to the DZ Cooper thread apparently in April 2010.  My first post to the DZ thread was apparently on June 3, 2010, at least I haven't found one earlier.  By June 16, 2010, I had posted information explaining that the FBI flight path information could not be correct and that Cooper probably jumped very near Tina Bar.  The flight path I detailed then is now known as the Western Flight Path.  So this Western Flight Path was put in writing 10 years ago and originated before that.  It has been modified to some extent as new information developed and I have expanded on it at various times that are well documented online.

It should also be noted that I accidentally started a new thread, "727 Takeoff Climb Performance", in the "Skydiving and Trivia" forum on DropZone but soon discovered that everything related to the Cooper hijacking was suppose to be kept in the "DB Cooper" thread.  I confessed to Quade and he locked the new thread.  The information in that thread has apparently been merged into the "DZ Cooper" thread as it now exists on DropZone.  It should also be noted the the present Cooper thread on DropZone does not have numbered posts at least for the oldest posts.     
 
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« Reply #6971 on: April 28, 2020, 02:21:08 AM »
The following is an attempt to briefly explain once again the functions of air traffic control, the ARINC company, and other items that some people apparently have a problem understanding.  It must be understood at the outset that the FBI does NOT control air traffic.

The air traffic control system consists of such things as airport control towers and center facilities that control enroute traffic that is operating under IFR rules.  Most of these towers and facilities are operated by the Federal Government although some, such as control towers, may be operated by private companies.  The radio communications with these facilities are recorded as a matter of routine and their transcriptions are used by the NTSB in investigating accidents and incidents.  The Cooper hijacking qualifies as an "incident".  The accident and incident transcriptions are retained permanently.  The other communications may, or may not be transcribed, and will be handled in accordance with the records retirement rules that the government has for such records.

Air traffic control systems involve a huge amount of telephone conversations between various controllers.  These are also recorded and handled as above.  In the Cooper hijacking, the voice radio communications between the controlling facility and the airliner and the telephone conversations between the controllers would be recorded and transcribed.  As I have repeatedly pointed out, in the Cooper hijacking the Oakland ATC Center's communication transcriptions included the controller phone conversations.  The Seattle ATC Center's communication transcriptions have 19 redactions (or deletions) and does not include the controller phone conversations.

The ARINC company is NOT an air traffic control organization.  It is a subscription service that provides various services to the airline industry.  In the Cooper hijacking, ARINC provided a telephone link between the airliner and the NWA offices in Minneapolis and Seattle.  The communications between the ARINC facility and the airliner were conducted over a frequency that was assigned to ARINC and then by land lines to the NWA facility.  In the case of the teletype communications, ARINC personnel would have to type in the information that they had received by radio from the airliner.  Thus, there would be a few minutes difference between the times that the NWA offices head something over the telephone link and the arrival of the teletype version of the same conversation.  It is not known with certainty if the telephone conversations over the ARINC system were recorded, but the teletype version would record the essence of the conversation.  In the Cooper hijacking case, WSHM personnel had access to the ARINC teletype printouts from the Seattle office and concluded that relevant communications had been deleted.

In addition to the above, in locations where an airliner had a lot of traffic, it is likely that a specific radio frequency would be assigned to that airline for their company use.  This is NOT an air traffic control frequency and it is unknown if communications on that frequency were recorded.  Apparently, NWA had such a company frequency in Seattle.

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« Reply #6972 on: April 28, 2020, 04:37:50 AM »
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COVID research trying everything! ... In reviewing 6212 COVID-19 patient records, the doctors noticed that many survivors had been suffering from chronic heartburn and were on famotidine rather than more-expensive omeprazole (Prilosec), the medicine of choice both in the United States and among wealthier Chinese. Hospitalized COVID-19 patients on famotidine appeared to be dying at a rate of about half (14% compared with 27%) for those not on the drug...


Thank Gawd I've got plenty of Famotidine. Works great to control the coughing from acid reflux.
 

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« Reply #6973 on: April 28, 2020, 04:17:35 PM »
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COVID research trying everything! ... In reviewing 6212 COVID-19 patient records, the doctors noticed that many survivors had been suffering from chronic heartburn and were on famotidine rather than more-expensive omeprazole (Prilosec), the medicine of choice both in the United States and among wealthier Chinese. Hospitalized COVID-19 patients on famotidine appeared to be dying at a rate of about half (14% compared with 27%) for those not on the drug...


Thank Gawd I've got plenty of Famotidine. Works great to control the coughing from acid reflux.

Smith, what is going on NOW  between YOU, JOHNY GREEN, ROBERT m BLEVINS .... that has Blevins spouting his lies again involving "me" on your sewer site?

People are getting tired of this "shit"!  You always seem to be at the center of this - the guy with his hands on the controls like Dr OZ. 

You could start by taking the troll "Johny Green" off your website!   Whoever in hell he she or it is! My feeling is you are playing games and you know exactly who it is. Is he Galen Cook? 
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« Reply #6974 on: April 28, 2020, 04:35:44 PM »
Report on analysis of ARINC teletype rolls, on loan from George Harrison estate can still be found -

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The examination of the George Harrison ARINC printouts was made on site at WSHM on Jan. ... with a corresponding timestamp on 2013.5.15.5 [page 93 of transcript; page 5 of PDF ... there were found to be eight (8) areas of missing, or redacted, teletype print copy, ...

WSHM Harrison ARINC file: pdf can be found here:  scroll down to 'Report on analysis of ARINC teletype rolls, on loan from ...' near bottom of the page.

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