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« Reply #3795 on: September 25, 2017, 12:51:40 PM »
I'll bet the History Channel folks showed Tina a lot of photos that were not shown or mentioned on the final production. I mean you have a witness who spent 5 hours with Cooper and she is agreeing to talk to you and look at photos. Had she ID'd a photo as Cooper the show would have been a ratings blockbuster. The HC also had the FBI's ear, getting the scoop on their shutting down the active NORJACK investigation. I think it is safe to assume Tina didn't ID any of the well known suspects as Cooper.  Was she still capable of recognizing Coopers photo? I can't say for sure, PTSD does have powerful and long lasting effects. But the "burnt out husk" version of Tina promulgated by some Vortex dwellers wasn't who I saw on screen.

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« Reply #3796 on: September 25, 2017, 12:59:43 PM »
You're probably right.    A photo of LD Cooper was sitting on the coffee table in the scene with Tina.  It makes sense there would be others.
 

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« Reply #3797 on: September 25, 2017, 01:41:19 PM »
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I'll bet the History Channel folks showed Tina a lot of photos that were not shown or mentioned on the final production. I mean you have a witness who spent 5 hours with Cooper and she is agreeing to talk to you and look at photos. Had she ID'd a photo as Cooper the show would have been a ratings blockbuster. The HC also had the FBI's ear, getting the scoop on their shutting down the active NORJACK investigation. I think it is safe to assume Tina didn't ID any of the well known suspects as Cooper.  Was she still capable of recognizing Coopers photo? I can't say for sure, PTSD does have powerful and long lasting effects. But the "burnt out husk" version of Tina promulgated by some Vortex dwellers wasn't who I saw on screen.

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But the "burnt out husk" version of Tina promulgated by some Vortex dwellers wasn't who I saw on screen.

The voyeurs have had our attention on the forums for years. Their long years of propaganda collapsed on that night! Do they admit their fictions? No. Of course not. If there is anything I thank Colbert for, it is that.
     
 

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« Reply #3798 on: September 25, 2017, 02:44:52 PM »
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Was she still capable of recognizing Coopers photo?

I'd say absolutely. And I also say if she had positively IDed someone that she likely made them agree in advance of going on show that they wouldn't air it...because if so her life could be at risk. If you believe it were Rackstraw, and/or if he were involved,  well he has already offed his stepfather. If Cooper were a lifelong criminal as per Himmelsbach then yes her life could be in danger.  Makes me wonder if she did privately IDed Rackstraw because when Colbert pinned him down on camera that one time he blurbed his knowledge of an outstanding secret FBI indictment on him.
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« Reply #3799 on: September 25, 2017, 03:05:10 PM »
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Was she still capable of recognizing Coopers photo?

I'd say absolutely. And I also say if she had positively IDed someone that she likely made them agree in advance of going on show that they wouldn't air it...because if so her life could be at risk. If you believe it were Rackstraw, and/or if he were involved,  well he has already offed his stepfather. If Cooper were a lifelong criminal as per Himmelsbach then yes her life could be in danger.  Makes me wonder if she did privately IDed Rackstraw because when Colbert pinned him down on camera that one time he blurbed his knowledge of an outstanding secret FBI indictment on him.

Regardless of Himmelsbach's remark, there is nothing in the records to support the idea that Cooper was a career criminal.  The hijacking was very poorly planned and executed, and gives the impression that it was almost a spur-of-the-moment act by an amateur who was motivated to do so probably within only a few days before it happened.  The hijacking appears to have been driven by Cooper's ego and not his brain. 
 

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« Reply #3800 on: September 25, 2017, 04:22:41 PM »
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Was she still capable of recognizing Coopers photo?

I'd say absolutely. And I also say if she had positively IDed someone that she likely made them agree in advance of going on show that they wouldn't air it...because if so her life could be at risk. If you believe it were Rackstraw, and/or if he were involved,  well he has already offed his stepfather. If Cooper were a lifelong criminal as per Himmelsbach then yes her life could be in danger.  Makes me wonder if she did privately IDed Rackstraw because when Colbert pinned him down on camera that one time he blurbed his knowledge of an outstanding secret FBI indictment on him.

Regardless of Himmelsbach's remark, there is nothing in the records to support the idea that Cooper was a career criminal.  The hijacking was very poorly planned and executed, and gives the impression that it was almost a spur-of-the-moment act by an amateur who was motivated to do so probably within only a few days before it happened.  The hijacking appears to have been driven by Cooper's ego and not his brain.

It was the right plane in the right place at the right time, coupled with the quickest bomb making in history - no thought whatever!  ;) A spur of the moment accident of fate & hardware store shopping!
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« Reply #3801 on: September 25, 2017, 04:31:10 PM »
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no thought whatever!

If so then I hope he played the lottery that week, for if he did he'd have surely won, and we'd have an easy solve.... For those odds that he got away as a whimsical heist, are astronomical.

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« Reply #3802 on: September 25, 2017, 05:20:41 PM »
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no thought whatever!

If so then I hope he played the lottery that week, for if he did he'd have surely won, and we'd have an easy solve.... For those odds that he got away as a whimsical heist, are astronomical.

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There is no valid reason to believe that Cooper got away with anything.  Just because he fell through the cracks and his body was never located, does not mean that he got away.  And the $5800+ found at Tina Bar definitely means that Cooper didn't get away with that money.

When Cooper handed the hijack note to Flo, he knew that he was setting himself up for a night parachute jump even if everything went well (and it apparently did at least to the point where he jumped, there are different opinions of what happened after that).  He was pressing his luck about NWA being able to come up with $200,000 cash by his 5:00 PM deadline on the eve of a National Holiday.

Cooper was poorly dressed for the jump.  He apparently knew enough about emergency type parachutes to be able to put it on without help.  He apparently did not know enough about skydiving to make certain that he was getting compatible main and reserve parachutes.

Cooper did know something unusual about the Boeing 727, that is that the rear stairs could be lowered in flight.  But he did not know how to operate the stairs and had trouble doing so even after Tina showed him how to do it.  And the fact that the aft stairs could be lowered in flight was not common knowledge, but how Cooper knew this is unknown.

Cooper also knew 727 flap settings and airspeeds for 10,000 feet, with the landing gear down.  This type of information would have to come from a 727 flight crew member or a 727 performance flight manual.

Cooper apparently routinely carried a pocket knife.  That pocket knife was the only resource on that airplane capable of cutting the shroud lines of one of the reserve chutes in a reasonably fast time.  There was no cutlery, emergency axes, or anything else on the airplane that he could have used.

The pocket knife and the stews description of Cooper's physical condition, suggests to me that Cooper was employed in a "trade" rather that "executive" position.  If the clip-on tie belonged to Cooper, it would also argue for a "trade" rather than "executive" position.  And everything that Tom Kaye found on the tie also argues for a "trade".

Cooper was not a master criminal and did not get away with the crime of the century.  In all probability, Cooper was dead within one minute of his separation from the airliner.   

 
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« Reply #3803 on: September 25, 2017, 05:25:54 PM »
Why Did Mitchell pick out Rackstraw from the photo lineup and then wrongly ID him as McCoy?

There are many ways to explain it, some of which help TC and some of which do not.

Something was familiar about Rackstraw, but was the familiarity actually with McCoy's image and he mistook Rackstraws photo for McCoy's? Or did Mitchell actually recognize Rackstraw as someone he had seen before?

It was a "moment" for sure, but what truly caused him to pick that photo? 

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« Reply #3804 on: September 25, 2017, 05:30:55 PM »
R 99 wrote: "Cooper was not a master criminal and did not get away with the crime of the century.  In all probability, Cooper was dead within one minute of his separation from the airliner.

Don't pop my DBC survival fantasy with logic R 99.  ;)

Cooper's knowledge of the flight configuration for a 727 airdrop kinda argues against a tradesman. At one time Ckret was suggesting loadmaster as a possible past occupation. That would fit nicely.

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« Reply #3805 on: September 25, 2017, 05:40:14 PM »
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... the "burnt out husk" version of Tina promulgated by some Vortex dwellers wasn't who I saw on screen.

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The Tina I know is anything but a "burnt out husk." Her anger burns red hot. The bigger question is why, and does it have anything to do with her apparent difficulties - cognitive or otherwise - in the late 1970s.
 

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« Reply #3806 on: September 25, 2017, 05:43:04 PM »
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R 99 wrote: "Cooper was not a master criminal and did not get away with the crime of the century.  In all probability, Cooper was dead within one minute of his separation from the airliner.

Don't pop my DBC survival fantasy with logic R 99.  ;)

Cooper's knowledge of the flight configuration for a 727 airdrop kinda argues against a tradesman. At one time Ckret was suggesting loadmaster as a possible past occupation. That would fit nicely.

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Okay, so I need to clarify the terms "tradesman" and "executive" better. :)  I was trying to say that I think Cooper would be found in a shop environment or in some position that involved light manual work, a loadmaster would fit fine, rather than in a desk job.  The "executive" would be a paper shuffler type.

Cooper was probably at least a "semi-outdoor" type with some interest in such things as hiking, hunting, and fishing.
 

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« Reply #3807 on: September 25, 2017, 05:47:43 PM »
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... the "burnt out husk" version of Tina promulgated by some Vortex dwellers wasn't who I saw on screen.

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The Tina I know is anything but a "burnt out husk." Her anger burns red hot. The bigger question is why, and does it have anything to do with her apparent difficulties - cognitive or otherwise - in the late 1970s.

The Tina you know may have just been pissed off by your secretly taking pictures of her, appearing at her door uninvited and attempting to interview her, and other such activities that some people might consider stalking.
 

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« Reply #3808 on: September 25, 2017, 06:02:07 PM »
R 99 wrote: "Cooper was probably at least a "semi-outdoor" type with some interest in such things as hiking, hunting, and fishing."

That wouldn't rule out Sheridan Peterson. Himalayan trekker, hiker etc. I enjoyed taking with him about jumping into wilderness fires in the Pacific NW and finding streams choked with spawning Steelhead. I think smokejumpers accessed wilderness areas that few others did.

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« Reply #3809 on: September 25, 2017, 07:10:15 PM »
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Cooper was probably at least a "semi-outdoor" type with some interest in such things as hiking, hunting, and fishing.

"There is no proof of that"...  I can play this game too
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