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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3615 on: September 04, 2017, 11:55:56 PM »
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Shut, can you give us a brief synopsis of your preparations? Are you anticipating wind damage, flooding? Thanks.

It's a little early to take some precautions. each storm is different, you have good sides, and bad sides of hurricanes, so at the moment we don't know exactly where the storm is going. wind will always be a factor even if it's not a direct hit. if the eye come through, all hell breaks loose with severe winds that kill. depending on the storm you can expect 150 mph+ gusts that last over 3 seconds. you have very wet hurricanes, and some that don't dump a lot of rain. each storm has it's own mind. for a few moments everything will stop while in the eye, and then hell returns moments later. very scary...

the number one priority is family, and your home. I advise people to get familiar with the hurricane product they have on the home. if it's panels, you need to get them out and place them in front of the windows the diagram shows. tie things down under a couple hundred pounds in the yard, remove chairs, tables,fountains, lawn mowers etc. crank up generators and make sure they are running properly, even the one's hooked up to the house.

personal items should be placed out of harms way if the roof goes, the family photo's go with it. along with anything of value, jewelry, money, guns...things you don't want looters getting a hold of. make sure you have a safe place for all family members, if your home is not structurally sound, you need to make preparations ASAP. stock up on the usual foods, and water. check batteries and flashlights. have alternative communications, cellphone towers can go down, internet lost. be familiar with FEMA, the Red Cross if you need them. have numbers at the ready. keep in touch with your family as long as you can, or decide on one place.

lots of homes now have impact glass vs hurricane shutters. don't trust them, or stand near them. they can fail just as anything else. I've seen many fail. it all depends on the storm..category 1 doesn't really do much damage, but can still pack a punch. category 2 is dangerous, 3 is really bad. everything starts flying around, roof tiles start coming off bashing homes and windows. street signs become projectiles, structures start to fail and fly away. then you have micro burst start blasting away. these do a lot of damage. I have seen shutters ripped off of homes that are suppose to handle 150 mph wind (each one) these windows have up to 100 anchors. then you look across the street and the mailbox is standing?

It's a game of survival with a direct hit. you need to understand the severity of a hurricane and what it's capable of doing to you, and your home..
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3616 on: September 05, 2017, 12:02:56 AM »
People who live in mandatory evacuation area's need to really get in gear now, they will have to leave, so they need to be prepared far in advance. get out before the traffic jams begin, and they always do. this could leave you vulnerable to the storm trying to leave too late. you will always see a long line of cars coming through the seven mile bridge in the Keys. start now!

Hurricane Hazards
While hurricanes pose the greatest threat to life and property, tropical storms and depression also can be devastating. The primary hazards from tropical cyclones (which include tropical depressions, tropical storms, and hurricanes) are storm surge flooding, inland flooding from heavy rains, destructive winds, tornadoes, and high surf and rip currents.

Storm surge is the abnormal rise of water generated by a storm's winds. This hazard is historically the leading cause of hurricane related deaths in the United States. Storm surge and large battering waves can result in large loss of life and cause massive destruction along the coast.
Storm surge can travel several miles inland, especially along bays, rivers, and estuaries.
Flooding from heavy rains is the second leading cause of fatalities from landfalling tropical cyclones. Widespread torrential rains associated with these storms often cause flooding hundreds of miles inland. This flooding can persist for several days after a storm has dissipated.
Winds from a hurricane can destroy buildings and manufactured homes. Signs, roofing material, and other items left outside can become flying missiles during hurricanes.
Tornadoes can accompany landfalling tropical cyclones. These tornadoes typically occur in rain bands well away from the center of the storm.
Dangerous waves produced by a tropical cyclone's strong winds can pose a significant hazard to coastal residents and mariners. These waves can cause deadly rip currents, significant beach erosion, and damage to structures along the coastline, even when the storm is more than a 1,000 miles offshore.
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3617 on: September 05, 2017, 12:27:36 AM »
Looking at the latest update doesn't look good for south Florida...we are also on the right side of the hurricane. that's typically the worst side. it's still too far out to make judgment calls on where it's path will follow. hopefully, it will drift further south.....

I have a bad feeling my phone will go crazy tomorrow morning with calls for help. I got lucky with the last storm. I was out way too long helping people and didn't really have everything done at my house. the storm barely did anything in my area, so I escaped that one...

This storm is packing 140 mph winds...very bad, but we have the islands protecting us that tend to disrupt hurricanes.

I have a dashcam in my truck, so I can provide some video in the coming days...depending on the path...
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« Reply #3618 on: September 05, 2017, 01:20:14 AM »
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Looking at the latest update doesn't look good for south Florida...we are also on the right side of the hurricane. that's typically the worst side. it's still too far out to make judgment calls on where it's path will follow. hopefully, it will drift further south.....

I have a bad feeling my phone will go crazy tomorrow morning with calls for help. I got lucky with the last storm. I was out way too long helping people and didn't really have everything done at my house. the storm barely did anything in my area, so I escaped that one...

This storm is packing 140 mph winds...very bad, but we have the islands protecting us that tend to disrupt hurricanes.

I have a dashcam in my truck, so I can provide some video in the coming days...depending on the path...

And don't forget that a truck can fly about as good as a roof in 140 MPH winds.  Be careful and good luck.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3619 on: September 05, 2017, 01:30:14 AM »
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And don't forget that a truck can fly about as good as a roof in 140 MPH winds.  Be careful and good luck.

Thanks 99, I will not be out helping people during the last hours of landfall with a storm of this magnitude. the other storm was a category 1, this at the moment is a cat 4! if it is set to hit on Saturday, I will be stopping on Friday, period. this beast will be respected...Wilma almost tipped my truck over during the passing of the eye...that storm turned into a 2/3 in a very short period that I've never seen happen before...
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3620 on: September 05, 2017, 01:47:06 AM »
I was sent over to the west coast while working for a shutter company in 2005..I returned early and woke up to the howling of the storm..my phone didn't work and I knew my parents were worried so I left for Cooper city just 6 miles away..as I was getting into my truck I noticed my metal shed getting ready to fly right into my camaro. I got out and moved it in front of the house. got back into my truck and another shed was coming right at me. it clipped the camaro and came apart...as soon as I got to the main road, the eye hit. I watched telephone poles shift sideways, a semi was turned on it's side. I drove all the way looking at the white line on the side of the road. that's all I could see...once I got near them, most of the roads had downed tree's blocking my access. I tried to go around one and got the truck stuck in the wet grass close to the road...I had my dog with me, so we only had about a 5 minute dash to my parents house..the dog was chasing debris, stopping to piss, unbelievable..anyway I made it to moms soaking wet, but safe...

That's the stupidest thing I've done during a storm......I don't advise this to anyone...the next day I got in an argument with the lady who's house I was in front of bitching at me saying "why would you be out in the storm" and wanting me to fix the damage to the "city portion" of her property, even threatening to cal the police! trees down everywhere, crap all over the place and she's worried about a little hole from the tire?  :rofl:

It was 2005, not 2007....corrected
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« Reply #3621 on: September 05, 2017, 01:55:38 AM »
I'm pretty sure this is the house. I know it was just around the turn...they crazy lady is marked along with my truck path.. :bravo:
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3622 on: September 05, 2017, 02:35:03 AM »
2:00 am update...

At 200 AM AST (0600 UTC), the eye of Hurricane Irma was located by
an Air Force Hurricane Hunter aircraft near latitude 16.6 North,
longitude 56.4 West.  Irma is moving toward the west near 13 mph (20
km/h), and this general motion is expected to continue today,
followed by a turn toward the west-northwest Tuesday night. On the
forecast track, the center of Irma will move near or over portions
of the northern Leeward Islands Tuesday night and early Wednesday.

Data from an Air Force Hurricane Hunter plane indicate that the
maximum sustained winds have increased to near 145 mph (235 km/h)
with higher gusts.  Irma is a category 4 hurricane on the
Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale.  Additional strengthening is
possible during the next 48 hours.

Hurricane-force winds extend outward up to 45 miles (75 km) from
the center and tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 140
miles (220 km).
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3623 on: September 05, 2017, 08:44:47 AM »
If the storm stays on it's present course I will only get tropical force winds. that's up to 73 mph. during this post my phone rang 3 times. all wanting help with closing there homes up for the storm. one lady was in line getting gas, and stating Costco's already had people waiting for them to open. the rush has begun.

this will be a busy day...

the extended forecast show the storm coming right at us turning northward. if that happens we are in big trouble.

one of the main problems people have is storm panels..lots of times they don't know how to install them, or lost the map show where they go, bad installs are very common making it hard for them to properly fit them. the photo below shows a typical window covered with panels. this one has a Lexan, clear panel so light will come into the house while also securing the opening. Lexan is what is used for bulletproof glass..

we have so many fly by night companies, or people who install shutters that only have dollar signs in the eye's. these fools rush to get the job done not caring about the install since it might not be found for years to come. that's where I come into play to help them with these problems. my name spreads like wild fire once I help one person. I also keep my cost down low helping these people. again, we have guys out there taking advantage of people charging over a hundred to a hundred an fifty bucks an hour to put panels up. I can put them up in about two hours and charge a hundred bucks. the other guys will take 3 plus hours milking the job for every dime. I've ran these idiots off before. probably end up doing it again...
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« Reply #3624 on: September 05, 2017, 10:01:49 AM »
The easiest shutter system is the accordion shutter. these are simple to close taking only minutes to secure your home. the problem these have is the nylon wheels start failing if not maintained..they are a little expensive running anywhere from $8k to $15k for single family homes. storm panels are much cheaper but require installation and are heavy, sharp, and time consuming to install..if you have impact glass you don't have any prep other than yard detail...

Bruce, does this help any  :rofl:
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« Reply #3625 on: September 05, 2017, 01:50:13 PM »
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The easiest shutter system is the accordion shutter. these are simple to close taking only minutes to secure your home. the problem these have is the nylon wheels start failing if not maintained..they are a little expensive running anywhere from $8k to $15k for single family homes. storm panels are much cheaper but require installation and are heavy, sharp, and time consuming to install..if you have impact glass you don't have any prep other than yard detail...

Bruce, does this help any  :rofl:

Bruce is probably busy today building himself a nuclear fall out shelter.  Maybe it can double as a hurricane shelter also. ;)
 

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« Reply #3626 on: September 05, 2017, 04:35:42 PM »
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The easiest shutter system is the accordion shutter. these are simple to close taking only minutes to secure your home. the problem these have is the nylon wheels start failing if not maintained..they are a little expensive running anywhere from $8k to $15k for single family homes. storm panels are much cheaper but require installation and are heavy, sharp, and time consuming to install..if you have impact glass you don't have any prep other than yard detail...

Bruce, does this help any  :rofl:

My questioning is quite broad, so your responses are touching on many points - thanks. I am writing this on Tuesday, at 1 pm PDT, and Irma is a Cat 5. So what exactly will you do? Stay in your house? Do you have a  safe room? If so, what kinds of re-enforcements make it safe? How close to the ocean are you? I am envisioning that the storm surge will be epic - maybe 25-30 feet - with a complete wash-overs of barrier islands at the landfall site, ie: if it's at Miami Beach, then adios Collins Blvd.

How does one protect themselves from 150+ mph winds? I don't think that is possible. Hence, evac is necessary. BUT, I would imagine the traffic jams will be extraordinary, starting with Rte 1 in the Keys. Not knowing exactly where Irma will make landfall is particularly vexing, and will probably make the scale of the evacs bigger than "necessary" and will create their own disaster, ie: cars out of gas; stranded families and kids; medical emergencies - all the craziness that Houston experienced a few years ago when half the town tried to evac for some storm and 130 people died in the mess.

As of this moment, your Gov. Scott is suggesting that Irma might make a right turn after landfall and "run up the spine of Florida." Whew. You guys might have a doozy on your hands, making Harvey just look like a rainy couple of days...

All the best. Via con Dios.
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« Reply #3627 on: September 05, 2017, 04:52:46 PM »
185 mph winds.....it's a very dangerous storm...outside waiting on material will respond d later



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« Reply #3628 on: September 05, 2017, 04:57:23 PM »
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...Bruce, does this help any  :rofl:

Bruce is probably busy today building himself a nuclear fall out shelter.  Maybe it can double as a hurricane shelter also. ;)

No actually, we have just received our fourth inundation of smoke from regional forest fires here in Cooper Country. Virtually the entire spine of the Cascades and Sierra Nevadas is on fire. Smoke is very heavy, and is blanketing the entire west coast. All the smoke is accompanied by extreme heat. Ironically, the smoke knocks the heat down by ten degrees. So, instead of 100, it's only 90 here in the PNW. But San Francisco hit 109 a few days ago, and now they have the smoke as well. 377 can give us an update on that.

Los Angeles is aflame, too, with the largest forest fires in its history now raging. Odd to think of National Forests in LA (Orange County, etc.), but it's true.

As for hurricanes and nuke shelters, I grew up on Long Island, NY, so I've seen a few Big Blows. I also followed Sandy closely via my mom, who weathered it out a few miles inland from the furthest reaches of the storm surge. I'm not a big fan of digging down into the ground to get safe from a hurricane, and if I was to prepare a site in a place like Florida, let's say Fort Lauderdale and Broward County - semi urban - I'd be building a re-enforced geodesic dome-like structure, protected by a sand berm and pilings put deeply into the ground, and not too close to the water. I would say anything closer than five-ten miles is too close. Also, I would never live in a large city on the ocean, like Miami. Just too risky.

As for us out west looking for clean air to breathe, I'm just coping with N-95 dust masks, a/c, and air purifiers. A larger solution requires governmental and community responses. I'm working on that, too, and writing up a storm about it at the Mountain News. I'm advocating for a cessation of all controlled burns, and the adoption of new land management practices, such as turning our National Forests into huge tree plantations with a network of fire breaks, roadways, and selective logging corridors to minimize the size of a blaze.

And of course, I am strongly advocating for a return to the Paris Climate Accords, and championing the regional creation of a climate change district of California, Oregon, Washington and British Columbia. If the feds won't do anything, then those of us in Cascadia must do what we can.
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« Reply #3629 on: September 05, 2017, 04:59:31 PM »
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185 mph winds.....it's a very dangerous storm...outside waiting on material will respond d later



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