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« Reply #3585 on: August 28, 2017, 01:50:31 PM »
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the lesson to be learned here is to the city officials  >:( who in there right mind would not have a mandatory evacuation on the coastline? Katrina was right next door and yet they learned nothing! so many people think this is like last minute Christmas shopping. they need to put the cellphones down and get the things they need in order to survive. a hurricane is not a game, it doesn't discriminate, it hates everyone!

If I told you I was coming to your house (with a gun) to kill you would you wait till I pulled into the driveway before calling the police?

Shutter, you are 100 percent correct.  Any 12-year-old Boy Scout knows that he has to "Be Prepared" (to quote the Scout motto). :(


Hurricanes can change at a moments notice. too many people are not educated enough to realize the dangers that come with them. last year when Matthew was approaching I was still out helping people because they waited so long. I try and tell everyone I work with the to take precaution early and be ready..

June 1st you should have plenty of water stocked up as well as dry foods. get familiar with the type of hurricane protection you have on your windows, especially if they are panels. check generators to make sure they operate, make sure you have flashlights ready to go. make sure cars have a full tank of gas...I realize we have a lot of false alarms, but too many people wait till the last minute to do anything. this is very dangerous. is the structure sound that you are inside, is a river, or lake nearby, or do you live in a flood zone.

we can have dry hurricanes, or ones that will dump a lot of water. it's not just the wind that kills. you need to treat every hurricane as if it's the worst. be prepared....it's very simple...
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« Reply #3586 on: August 28, 2017, 02:08:13 PM »
One reason I replaced my tank water heater with another tank heater rather than the more modern tankless ones is that it gives me 50 gallons of easily accessible potable water should a disaster strike.

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« Reply #3587 on: August 28, 2017, 02:23:36 PM »
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One reason I replaced my tank water heater with another tank heater rather than the more modern tankless ones is the it gives me 50 gallons of easily accessible potable water should a disaster strike.

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A valuable lesson was learned with hurricane Andrew in 1992. water was a huge problem for many down here. before Andrew weak codes were in place for hurricane protection which proved to be fatal in some cases. building codes were weak, and many cities were put to blame for taking bribes to look the other way during critical parts of structures that caused so many homes to lose there roofs. (tie downs) were not in place among other things making the homes faulty to high winds.

A law was passed to insure all gas stations have backup generators to supply fuel after the storm. this was put in place after Wilma. we had mile long lines to get into a gas station.

anyone living close to the coastline needs to be prepared for this. that's the bottom line..
 

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« Reply #3588 on: August 29, 2017, 02:49:20 PM »
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One reason I replaced my tank water heater with another tank heater rather than the more modern tankless ones is the it gives me 50 gallons of easily accessible potable water should a disaster strike.

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A valuable lesson was learned with hurricane Andrew in 1992. water was a huge problem for many down here. before Andrew weak codes were in place for hurricane protection which proved to be fatal in some cases. building codes were weak, and many cities were put to blame for taking bribes to look the other way during critical parts of structures that caused so many homes to lose there roofs. (tie downs) were not in place among other things making the homes faulty to high winds.

A law was passed to insure all gas stations have backup generators to supply fuel after the storm. this was put in place after Wilma. we had mile long lines to get into a gas station.

anyone living close to the coastline needs to be prepared for this. that's the bottom line..

Man proposes
Nature disposes.

 

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« Reply #3589 on: August 29, 2017, 03:04:25 PM »
Never bet against ENTROPY.

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« Reply #3590 on: August 29, 2017, 04:05:01 PM »
Had a big talk with my Paratransit driver today about preparedness, Houston, etc. The PNW has lots of rain - not 50 inches in 4 days, albeit - but we have the soil and infrastructure to handle most deluges, but not all. Nevertheless, we - and I think everyone - has their own geological/meteorological vulnerabilities. Houston has hurricanes, the Midwest has tornadoes, and I have mega earthquakes and forest fires. I think all we need to be prepared for complete regional disasters, regardless of their genre.

For me, I take survival seriously. First, I believe that securing-in-place is safest. Evacuating somewhere else is only a Plan B when staying home is totally untenable and life-threatening.

My first priority is physical safety: Burning ash and smoke from fires; fallout from nukes, like Fukushima, Diablo Canyon, or Kim Jung Crazy Pants; pumice, stone, and volcanic ash from Mount Rainier and other volcanoes in the Cascades. I have a little cave-like spot I can hunker down for 24-36 hours, and my longer-term abode is my 16-foot RV trailer that is protected by an overhead lattice of wood frames and traps, surrounded by bedsheet curtains that can filter out bad stuff and let is some measure of fresh air.

Next is water. I have five, 50-gallon barrels with a hand pump, plus lots of five-gallon jugs and bottles.

For food and supplies I go low-tech. Lots of "plumber" candles. Some lanterns and ultra-pure lamp fuel. For heat I have a "Heat Buddy" that uses propane bottles. Ten bucks for three at Walmart and I pick up extras every time I go shopping (and can afford it...).

I have five-gallon buckets of rice and beans, and some wheat and a small hand-mill grinder. A few #10 cans of dehydrated veggies. I have a summer's worth of potatoes that I leave in the ground until February, then I dig them up and plant a fresh crop in March, eating them through the year, of course. Same with Tuscan Kale, which overwinters fairly well here in the PNW. About 6 apple trees and two plum trees. I try to stockpile sugar, coffee, tea, chocolate, tuna, canned salmon, toilet paper - but I go through this stuff quickly to supplement my writing habit. Plus I have two kinds of "to-go" bags. One is "Gotta Go And Ain't Coming Back" and has dehydrated food and fuel, a stove, warm clothes, sleeping bag, water filter, etc. The other is smaller and has raisins, nuts, respirator, meds, water bottle, a sweater, and the latest copy of Nat Geo. The smaller bag I carry everywhere I go.

I have learned a few things about survival and preparedness. First thing, it is scary. I took me a lot of will-power to constantly divert financial resources to supplies, food, and stuff that I wasn't gonna need right away. My NY ex-wife thought I was a "doom-and-gloomer," and that dynamic was one of the underlying reasons I left the marriage. Second thing, it takes time. Third, it takes lots of meditation, focus and knowledge-gathering - what exactly are you surviving to? What crisis do you anticipate? How will you handle neighbors and friends who aren't prepared and show up on your doorstep hungry, cold and frightened? Some folks I know have bunkers. Others buy guns and lots o' ammo. Some folks are gonna make a million bucks selling flat-bottomed boats to Houstonians...

I've seen Harvey - Katrina - Sandy and all the rest coming for a long time. Learning, preparing, getting mentally ready is a long-term process. After all, what the hell did Houstonians think 50 inches was gonna look like? Being able to envision what catastrophe is gonna look is a skill.  I worked in the environmental business in NY in 1980s, and responsible scientists, experts, and officials have been talking about these kinds of potentials for a long time. But people are slow learners and most need a kick in the ass to make changes. I left NY and moved to the PNW in part because I don't think low-lying urban areas in coastal zones are safe. Anyone who continues to live in Houston and doesn't live in an up-armored house boat is nuts, imho.


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« Reply #3591 on: August 29, 2017, 04:24:43 PM »
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Never bet against ENTROPY.

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The climate change deniers are doing just that! :))
 

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« Reply #3592 on: August 29, 2017, 04:35:35 PM »
Whoa Bruce! Some serious prepping there. I'm skeptical about the effectiveness of your air cleaning gear but anything is better than nothing.

I've always thought a sailboat with a lot of solar panels and a powered watermaker and/or solar still would be a good survival platform. Can travel without using fuel. Can fish for protein. I took many edible sprout seeds on my long tuna voyages and had fresh sprout salads all the time.

Do I have a good survival platform? Nope. Just some canned goods and my water heater which holds 50 gallons. I have an irrationally optimistic mindset. Always have. I am the opposite of a doomsday person. Somehow everyone will work out ok. It's good mindset for a skydiver to have.

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« Reply #3593 on: August 29, 2017, 05:18:22 PM »
Your optimism makes me smile, Three-Seven-Seven. After all, you live - what - ten miles from where the San Andreas fault drops down into the Pacific Ocean? But then, that's only a crustal-zone fault line and would only go 7.5 at worst - and I live about 120 miles from the Juan de Fuca Fault which is one of the deep-zone babes that cause 9.0-plus when they go. FEMA just ran a simulation of what happens to the Puget Sound area if we have one of these Big Ones. 1 million homes destroyed in the first fifteen minutes, half the hospitals/firehouses/police stations in the PNW totally destroyed/ 10,000 bridges and overpasses knocked down. FEMA estimates that 7 million people will have to shelter in place for at least a month. No water, fuel, sewage for at least 30 days, and up to one year before Seattle gets anywhere close back to normal - and then, whose job will still be here? FEMA is predicting that the Seattle metro area will become an "economic dead zone."

If and when that happens, it could be "Hello Idaho" for me. Or Palo Alto... Hey, even Houston might look good!
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« Reply #3594 on: August 29, 2017, 05:27:25 PM »
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Never bet against ENTROPY.

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The climate change deniers are doing just that! :))

I heard a farmer in Missouri say a while back, when discussing floods around St. Louis, where the Mississippi and the Missouri Rivers come together: "You can fight the river all you want. Build all the levees you want, but in the end the river's always gonna win."
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« Reply #3595 on: August 29, 2017, 05:30:40 PM »
Robert99, you raise an interesting scientific dynamic. To me, the Biggest Un-addressed Scientific Issue about climate change is why people deny it and why politicians allow their constituents to accept denial.
 

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« Reply #3596 on: August 29, 2017, 05:36:18 PM »
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Whoa Bruce! Some serious prepping there. I'm skeptical about the effectiveness of your air cleaning gear but anything is better than nothing.

I've always thought a sailboat with a lot of solar panels and a powered watermaker and/or solar still would be a good survival platform. Can travel without using fuel. Can fish for protein. I took many edible sprout seeds on my long tuna voyages and had fresh sprout salads all the time.

Do I have a good survival platform? Nope. Just some canned goods and my water heater which holds 50 gallons. I have an irrationally optimistic mindset. Always have. I am the opposite of a doomsday person. Somehow everyone will work out ok. It's good mindset for a skydiver to have.

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May I also suggest adding yeast, sugar, carboys and stoppers - and a recipe book for kelp wine?
 

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« Reply #3597 on: August 29, 2017, 10:13:44 PM »
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Robert99, you raise an interesting scientific dynamic. To me, the Biggest Un-addressed Scientific Issue about climate change is why people deny it and why politicians allow their constituents to accept denial.

Like most other things, the denial of obvious facts usually comes down to economics and politics.  There are plenty of people who are willing to lie through their teeth in order to make a buck and/or to get elected to public office where they can sell out for even more money.

Two current cases come to mind.  A fellow whose name I can't remember right off has promised to help the coal industry stay afloat with government support and taxpayer money regardless of the social costs like health problems and global warming.  In my part of the country, companies with coal burning power plants are still planning to close them as soon as possible regardless of the politicians.  Nevertheless, the coal industry is just trying to maintain the status quo and aren't doing anything innovative to find new uses for coal (that doesn't involve furnaces) so they will continue to be a drag on the economy for some further unknown period of time.

Another case involves Hurricane Sandy that you mentioned.  A couple of Senators, who may have been from Texas, voted against government aid to the victims of Sandy and claimed that the bill was two-thirds pork.  But the bill passed without their support.  Currently, I understand that there is a weather problem somewhere in Texas and I'll bet that those same two Senators are going to put all the pork they can into a bill to provide government aid to that area.

Essentially, it is just a matter of people not wanting to face the facts of life and just wanting to kick the country's problems down the road rather than find meaningful solutions.  That is, let their grandkids deal with the problem since the grandparents will be dead and gone while not having to confront the country's problems.
 

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« Reply #3598 on: August 29, 2017, 10:36:53 PM »
Duane's jumpsuit? The extra B was just added for cover.

The patches are from a DZ in Orange Massachusetts.
From the 1960s.

I now own this historic jumpsuit. Won't call it a Cooper artifact just yet. 😉

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« Reply #3599 on: August 30, 2017, 12:03:32 AM »
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Duane's jumpsuit? The extra B was just added for cover.

The patches are from a DZ in Orange Massachusetts.
From the 1960s.

I now own this historic jumpsuit. Won't call it a Cooper artifact just yet. 😉

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I owned a similar jumpsuit in the early 1960s.  It was made of very heavy cloth and a good thing to be wearing when you went into a briar patch. :)