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Offline Bruce A. Smith

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3180 on: November 13, 2021, 02:41:55 PM »
What you're envisioning DF is quite an ironic scene: DB Cooper shows up, but not Larry Carr, Curtis Eng, Tina Mucklow, et. al.

Which begs the question - why do so many people avoid talking to us Cooperites about one of the biggest, most dramatic events of their lives?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3181 on: November 13, 2021, 07:04:03 PM »
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What you're envisioning DF is quite an ironic scene: DB Cooper shows up, but not Larry Carr, Curtis Eng, Tina Mucklow, et. al.

Which begs the question - why do so many people avoid talking to us Cooperites about one of the biggest, most dramatic events of their lives?

Bruce, you are jumping to some unwarranted conclusions above.  In reality, the Cooper hijacking was a two-bit crime where the culprit fell through the cracks, probably both figuratively and literally.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3182 on: November 14, 2021, 02:13:46 AM »
... and yet, here we are 50 years later, at 11 p.m PST on a Saturday night talking about the guy....
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3183 on: November 14, 2021, 02:16:35 AM »
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... and yet, here we are 50 years later, at 11 p.m PST on a Saturday night talking about the guy....

Well, it would normally be 2 AM my time, but I just spent the last three days driving from Tennessee to Northern California, so I'm in DB Cooper Time Zone tonight...
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3184 on: November 15, 2021, 04:18:20 PM »
Welcome to the PST Zone, partner.

Northern Cali? What brings you so close to Cooper Country?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3185 on: November 16, 2021, 12:18:24 AM »
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Welcome to the PST Zone, partner.

Northern Cali? What brings you so close to Cooper Country?

Work. Drove all that way for a job this morning that took less than an hour, lol. Tonight I find myself stopping in Utah and then heading on down to New Mexico tomorrow for a job I could do in 3 hours, but I'm told it's going to take 3 days. It's been a cool drive, saw a lot of country that I had never seen before. Don't know that I'm too eager to make that drive again though.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3186 on: November 16, 2021, 12:40:48 AM »
Ah, New Mexico. I love Santa Fe, and even tried living there for a spell. May go back, too.

What do you do that compels people to pay you to drive 2,000 miles and work for an hour? That's faster money than I make being a DBC expert in Hollywood!
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3187 on: November 16, 2021, 01:39:24 AM »
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Ah, New Mexico. I love Santa Fe, and even tried living there for a spell. May go back, too.

What do you do that compels people to pay you to drive 2,000 miles and work for an hour? That's faster money than I make being a DBC expert in Hollywood!

The company that I work for makes gauges for different types of industries. These gauges work off of a radioactive source. The NRC requires someone from our company to be onsite when these sources are installed so that we can test them and ensure that they are safe. Further, the NRC requires certain testing to be done every 6 months on the radioactive sources. Some companies don't really want to mess with doing that themselves, so they pay us to drive the 2,000 miles to do the testing. Typically, that large of a distance would be something that I would have to fly, but I was able to work it in with 3 other jobs. Plus, I've tried to stay away from airports since that little stunt I pulled back in '71....
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3188 on: November 16, 2021, 02:37:43 AM »
But that was so LONG ago, Parrot. Surely no one still cares about it...
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3189 on: November 19, 2021, 04:39:04 PM »
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A very interesting claim
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3190 on: November 19, 2021, 05:55:11 PM »
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A very interesting claim

good news video from back then, on the day of the FBI search of tena bar, when they found that one good scrap and showed it on camera
here (right before)
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kind of cool seeing how white that fragment is.

FBI agent confirms some fragments found 2 to 3 feet deep in the video there.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3191 on: November 21, 2021, 12:26:14 PM »
Did the shard found 3 ft down actually reside there or was in inadvertently mixed by shoveling and actually resided much closer to the surface. The dig was tragically flawed compared to a disciplined carefully documented archaeological excavation. If the shards were widely distributed horizontally and vertically then it suggests to me that it was dredge spoils.  If so, how do you account for 3 intact bundles within the shard field? Eric U. Says the shard field was only in close proximity around the bill stack and not wide or deep. Very few currency pieces were kept by FBI.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3192 on: November 21, 2021, 02:32:44 PM »
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Did the shard found 3 ft down actually reside there or was in inadvertently mixed by shoveling and actually resided much closer to the surface. The dig was tragically flawed compared to a disciplined carefully documented archaeological excavation. If the shards were widely distributed horizontally and vertically then it suggests to me that it was dredge spoils.  If so, how do you account for 3 intact bundles within the shard field? Eric U. Says the shard field was only in close proximity around the bill stack and not wide or deep. Very few currency pieces were kept by FBI.

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EU, ...  is either right or wrong!  In either case his is only an OPINION and nothing more until he or somebody else presents some cold facts.   

But, the process of discovery broke down many months ago. It started with Colbert and others preceding him. Then came EU. EU isn't solely to blame for this but he is definitely one of the current contributors. Any time you mix politics and special interest with 'science', fact gathering suffers badly. Very likely we will never know the answer and no single opinion will ever be accepted. We now live in the territory of basic uncertainty so far as the Cooper case is concerned. The Cooper case is known as a Vortex for all of these reasons. 

I credit Tom Kaye, Shutter, and Flyjack with having built a fairly reliable body of facts about this case. That's the central foundation on which progress is going to be made if that can happen at all.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3193 on: November 21, 2021, 07:33:13 PM »
377: There is no data that says there were "3 intact bundles"
I count bundles as something close to 100 bills, as delivered to Cooper.
It's very unclear whether there were chunks from 3 different bundles, just two or maybe even just one.

Yes there were 3 (divided into 12) chunks presented to FBI.

How come no one seems to agree with me on this? It seems huge. As big an issue as the mistakes on the parachutes.

All this talk about the money, and there are basic "facts" that are not well understood.

The timeline, and different numbers, used for "number of bills founds" is totally unclear.
No FBI files give us the info, in any kind of traceable way. (who counted and how? Did they weigh, separate or ?? Did they look at top/bottom start/end serials?? All known)

There is no agreed-on number for "number of bills found" that has any merit.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3194 on: November 21, 2021, 07:35:23 PM »
Cooper was not a republican.

I want to be the first to make the Cooper discussion, "required" to have a discussion about politics.
Just as important as discussing his hairline.