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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2925 on: February 14, 2021, 05:07:47 PM »
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I guess the question is, what does the fact Jo knew about the Heisson burglary mean to you?
I guess my response would be, why is my reason for wanting to know her source pertinent?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2926 on: February 14, 2021, 05:17:08 PM »
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NickyB has interviewed the store owner’s family who said that Jo knew if the break-in when she met with them. I’m obviously not suggesting Duane Weber is Cooper, but I’d like to know how she came upon this information.

Not quite C...Tina Lusk then owner with husband Chris remembers Jo coming to the store and said that all of the information she got she got from them. She figured if Jo asked her husband he would of told her there were many break ins during that time but upon further checking with her husband they realized he was at the post office during the time she came to visit that day and never saw her, so all of her interactions were with Tina, further her husband Chris Lusk (then owner) and nephew of the original owner David Horsche in 71 has no knowledge of a break in the night of the hijacking and is adamant that that is something if he heard he would remember. In Jo’s DZ posts from circa 2011 she claims she learned about a break the night of the hijacking from the owner, well I went right to the horses mouth and that’s just not true. Her facts on the break in are accurate as far as what she said was taken it matches the 302 and she adds one thing that is not in the 302 and that the store was broken into through the bathroom window. Dave’s wife told me the store did at one point have a break in through there because when they got the store in 99 that window had bars on it. The store has big windows in the front which offer much easier access to the store but would make you more visible from the road. She is to perplexed on how Jo got this information. She stopped In tired and worn from her trip, the store is in the middle of nowhere and there are no locals hanging around there that would of had this tidbit of information according to Dave’s wife Tina, heck they had no idea about this. I also talked to Dave Horsche’s son Lynn via telephone who also had no knowledge of a break the night of the hijacking but reinterred that they had many breakins during those days. He was 16 at the time and lived at the store with mom and dad. Tina asked Dave Horsch’s sister Sue who is still alive and kickin in Vancouver Wa... same story she said she never heard of a break in/DB correlation, Tina says Dave and her sister Sue were very close and If he knew or it’s something he thought of she would know...nobody in the Horsche family has any knowledge of a break in associated with norjack. So either Lynn Horsche never put two and two together which very well could be as Tina told me it would just be another day at the office for him as breakinsb seemed to be part of the norm, even if he make the association it’s safe to say he never publicized it to anyone as it’s news to his own sister, son, nephew ect. So to everybody saying Jo could of picked this up somewhere, upon further research that seems like a very low probability. I can only come up with a couple scenarios either somebody connected with Jo or Jo herself had access to the fbi files and came across the memo about a store break and did what FJ did with the given coordinates to merwin dam states in the memo figure out it was Heisson or Jo actually got this from Duane and just got it mixed up given her memory issues  as to how she came to learn this fact. If it’s the ladder well it doesn’t change my mind one bit on Weber being cooper but it strengthens the case for me for him possibly being involved on the ground in some way.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2927 on: February 14, 2021, 05:54:54 PM »
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I guess the question is, what does the fact Jo knew about the Heisson burglary mean to you?
I guess my response would be, why is my reason for wanting to know her source pertinent?

Just curious.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2928 on: February 14, 2021, 05:59:38 PM »
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The robbery wasn't a secret was it? Hager told me about it in the mid 2000's. For what it's worth, he said that store was frequently broke into. He told me it was close to a railroad and people (some would call them hobos) would break into it before hopping the train and leaving the area. He was of the opinion that the break in didn't involve Cooper.

He probably knew of that store in the drop zone and that it as by the tracks and had a history of being broken into a like you say but as far as knowing somebody broke in at 11:15pm on November 24th, 1971. I’d highly doubt that.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2929 on: February 14, 2021, 06:12:04 PM »
I believe it was 2006 when Hager told me about the break in. He most certainly knew it was broken into the night of the sky jacking. I  don't think he gave a specific time. He did know for certain though that it was broken into that night! How he knew I am not sure of. I was under the impression it was common knowledge.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2930 on: February 14, 2021, 06:15:06 PM »
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I believe it was 2006 when Hager told me about the break in. He most certainly knew it was broken into the night of the sky jacking. I  don't think he gave a specific time. He did know for certain though that it was broken into that night! How he knew I am not sure of. I was under the impression it was common knowledge.

It was most certainly not common knowledge! Looks like we can add Hagger to this Heisson mystery now too 😯
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2931 on: February 14, 2021, 06:24:54 PM »
Between this and other things that have came out I am starting to think Hager might have been a little more involved than he let on.
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2932 on: February 14, 2021, 07:50:27 PM »
Hagger is Cooper.

Cooper is Hagger.

Einhorn is Finkel!

Finkel is Einhorn!

I keed. I keed.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2933 on: February 14, 2021, 10:00:37 PM »
I have to say, Jo's stories regarding the Heisson store robbery are interesting, and it's perhaps her only "hit" in her entire voluminous corpus. However, are we really to reconsider Duane Weber as a Cooper suspect? Is that where we're at after 14 years?
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2934 on: February 14, 2021, 10:14:09 PM »
Not for me. I'm happy to say "goodbye" to Duane - no "w", no "y," Weber.

But I am all for continuing to dig into Jo. Two reasons:

1. Why was she so dogged? She had to hide all of her DB Cooper stuff from her new husband. Jim, according to Jo (of course).

2. How did she develop all those contacts? I had Snowmman feeding me stuff for years and Jo still beat us to the punch. All on a computer that constantly made docs go "poof." Really?

3. BTW, where is Jim, now?
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2935 on: February 15, 2021, 12:08:18 AM »
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Not for me. I'm happy to say "goodbye" to Duane - no "w", no "y," Weber.

But I am all for continuing to dig into Jo. Two reasons:

1. Why was she so dogged? She had to hide all of her DB Cooper stuff from her new husband. Jim, according to Jo (of course).

2. How did she develop all those contacts? I had Snowmman feeding me stuff for years and Jo still beat us to the punch. All on a computer that constantly made docs go "poof." Really?

3. BTW, where is Jim, now?

This is the first I have heard about "Jim" or another husband?  Was he the fellow that appeared with her in the recent HBO video (I think it was)?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2936 on: February 15, 2021, 12:52:01 AM »
I’m not suggesting Duane Cooper is a viable suspect. I’m merely interested in how Jo came about this information about a store break-in in Heisson. It’s a fascinating tidbit that I’d like to get my head around.

Not a thing to do with Duane.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2937 on: February 15, 2021, 05:59:47 AM »
When did details about the store's robbery become public knowledge? Wouldn't the local newspapers have mentioned it? For what it's worth, Hager also knew about the bathroom window being compromised.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2938 on: February 15, 2021, 06:24:31 PM »
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Not for me. I'm happy to say "goodbye" to Duane - no "w", no "y," Weber.

But I am all for continuing to dig into Jo. Two reasons:

1. Why was she so dogged? She had to hide all of her DB Cooper stuff from her new husband. Jim, according to Jo (of course).

2. How did she develop all those contacts? I had Snowmman feeding me stuff for years and Jo still beat us to the punch. All on a computer that constantly made docs go "poof." Really?

3. BTW, where is Jim, now?

This is the first I have heard about "Jim" or another husband?  Was he the fellow that appeared with her in the recent HBO video (I think it was)?

Jo says she married James Barber a few years after Duane died. She lived in his house in Navarre, and described him as being the "love of her life." Outside of Cooper World, Jo was known as Mrs. Barber, but inside our little slice of Paradise no one knew about Jimmy.

Why the secrecy? I have no idea. Was Jo lying to me? Maybe. Lying to herself? Maybe.

BTW: Jimmy was not Jo's "memory man" of recent HBO fame. The MM is named Tim Collins. I don't know if he is any relation to John C. Collins, and I don't know how the two linked-up. I hope Darren can shed some light on that.

lastly, Jo is currently residing in "Your Life of Pensacola."
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2939 on: February 16, 2021, 12:39:31 AM »
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When did details about the store's robbery become public knowledge? Wouldn't the local newspapers have mentioned it? For what it's worth, Hager also knew about the bathroom window being compromised.

Wow! well hagg’s must of been buddies with Jo because that detail is not even in the 302. The first record of this is from a Jo Weber DZ post , Tina did say that window was broken into at some point because when she and her husband took over the store in 99 the bathroom window had bars on it. This was never public knowledge haggis if nobody in the owners family and ownership have a clue about this.