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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2760 on: November 25, 2020, 03:07:54 PM »
wrapping the sticks with tape would be extremely obvious. this doesn't match the original description. the FBI would of been able to figure out it was fake if this was the case.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2761 on: November 25, 2020, 03:38:17 PM »
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wrapping the sticks with tape would be extremely obvious. this doesn't match the original description. the FBI would of been able to figure out it was fake if this was the case.

I dont recall any testimony from Tina saying 'red electrical tape'.   I will look it up ... 
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2762 on: November 25, 2020, 03:43:06 PM »
they are saying the bomb or dynamite was wrapped in red electrical tape and not the sticks..I believe the original states "some sort of tape holding them together" something like that.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2763 on: November 25, 2020, 03:52:18 PM »
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they are saying the bomb or dynamite was wrapped in red electrical tape and not the sticks..I believe the original states "some sort of tape holding them together" something like that.

Here is Tina's total testimony word for word - from all files. I prepared a file for the Marine guy here who was going to duplicate the bomb and test it ...

Tina testimony is:

Her best recollection is that it was while he told her he wanted no “funny stuff” that he partially opened the briefcase more and he permitted her to see the contents (of the case).
She recalls the contents of the case as approximately eight cylindrical objects about six to eight inches long with four of the items being placed on top of the others and banded together with tape. She also recalls some covered and uncovered wiring running from the cylindrical objects to a dry cell type battery which had terminals on one end. She could not recall if the wires were connected to the terminals. The battery was described as approximately eight inches long and about two and one-half in diameter. She states that she had the impression seeing the contents that (it could be) dynamite; however, she is unfamiliar with the (exact) appearance of dynamite and could only describe it as stated above, adding that it (the sticks) were a “reddish rusty color”.   
           
Mucklow sat next to the man and shortly thereafter he opened a black cheap appearing imitation leather attache case and showed her a device, with eight red cylindarsand a wire running from the cylindars toward a large 6x8x2” battery. The wire had a red plastic coating on it except for the last inch which was bare and the man was holding between his fingers. He told (me) it was an electronic device and suggested the aircraft radio be used as little as possible. He then said ‘he didn’t think radio transmissions would bother it, but he wanted the crew warned’ .

         (7:55pm pst)  NWA -    MSPFO asked for stewardess best recollection of exact content
of HJ briefcase. She got on radio and gave the following basic information:

   _   Eight red sticks, about 6” x1” in left corner of brief case. “Look like big
        firecrackers.”  Two rows of sticks. Four on top of four.
   _   Wire attached to dynamite with red insulation.
_   Battery “like flashlight battery but about 6” high and as big around as my   
     arm”.
_   Red sticks are about the color “of my uniform”.

7:57 pm    t1  [ Mucklow describes bomb to Gnd Control …]
MSP:    Have stewardess describe to you the brief case contents. Understand red dynamite sticks wire and battery
305:      Mucklow: In briefcase left corner had 8 sticks of dynamite about 6 inches
long and 1 inch in diameter. Two rows of them then a wire out of there.
Then a battery like, a flashlight battery only as thick as my arm and 8
inches long.
MSP:       Roger.        



There is nothing about red tape in any of this ... FJ says its in some FBI file ? which file where ?   

FLYJACK's source as usual is one 302 ... not actual Tina testimony. FJ always goes for some outlyer document while also saying 302s are not trustworthy! FJ uses 302s wen its convenient then dismisses them a minute later as unreliable. That has been his technique since he first surfaced years ago ... here is his 302 - I will look it up...
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2764 on: November 25, 2020, 04:00:57 PM »
Yes, there is one file stating this. I don't have it right now. my computer took a bad turn and I'm trying to get it back up and running. this is my good computer.

Even with different statements it's hard to really say what it was banded with. it would of been more obvious if it was black. through the 50's even into the 80's were the electronics period IMO. lots of kits to build. heathkit was one of the more famous. erector sets. millions in CB and Ham operators did electrical work. red tape is even used during Christmas. even chemistry sets that were dangerous as hell lol..
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2765 on: November 25, 2020, 04:03:56 PM »
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Yes, there is one file stating this. I don't have it right now. my computer took a bad turn and I'm trying to get it back up and running. this is my good computer.

Even with different statements it's hard to really say what it was banded with. it would of been more obvious if it was black. through the 50's even into the 80's were the electronics period IMO. lots of kits to build. heathkit was one of the more famous. erector sets. millions in CB and Ham operators did electrical work. red tape is even used during Christmas. even chemistry sets that were dangerous as hell lol..

As usual FJ gives no locator info!  Its file DBC 1532 wherever that is! FJ always wants to make things as obscure/difficult as possible.

THERE IS NO DIRECT TINA TESTIMONY THAT SAYS   'RED ELECTRICAL TAPE"   -   NONE! ONLY FJ'S 302 HE WONT LOCATE/IDENTIFY!
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2766 on: November 25, 2020, 04:14:18 PM »
You posted file 1532...that's part 10 of 52
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2767 on: November 25, 2020, 04:17:11 PM »
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Yes, there is one file stating this. I don't have it right now. my computer took a bad turn and I'm trying to get it back up and running. this is my good computer.

Even with different statements it's hard to really say what it was banded with. it would of been more obvious if it was black. through the 50's even into the 80's were the electronics period IMO. lots of kits to build. heathkit was one of the more famous. erector sets. millions in CB and Ham operators did electrical work. red tape is even used during Christmas. even chemistry sets that were dangerous as hell lol..

As usual FJ gives no locator info!  Its file DBC 1532 wherever that is! FJ always wants to make things as obscure/difficult as possible.

THERE IS NO DIRECT TINA TESTIMONY THAT SAYS   'RED ELECTRICAL TAPE"   -   NONE! ONLY FJ'S 302 HE WONT LOCATE/IDENTIFY!

OK I found it. FJ's page is part of a very early seven page general synopsis of the case dated  11/25/71 !  The summary is not meant to be a certified factual statement of anything~!  THIS IS A FUCKING JOKE PERPETRATED ONCE MORE BY FLYJACK!

The seven page series starts D.B. Cooper Part 10 page 302  and ends with  D.B. Cooper Part 10 page 308. Which is DBC 1529-1535.

There it is. FJ's contention is an outlier and bogus nonesense based on an early 302 that was not totally factual ...   as usual. And FJ knows it@!

This is a classic example of FLYJACK fringe work.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2768 on: November 25, 2020, 04:24:59 PM »
10 of 10?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2769 on: November 25, 2020, 04:26:36 PM »
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10 of 10?

sorry I corrected it.

Part 10 pages 302-308. Which is DBC 1529-1535.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2770 on: November 25, 2020, 04:30:24 PM »
Her original statement only says banded with tape. obviously it wasn't black or she and the others would of noticed.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2771 on: November 25, 2020, 04:34:45 PM »
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Her original statement only says banded with tape. obviously it wasn't black or she and the others would of noticed.

She describes one wire as being 'red coated' .... not the sticks! I will find the quote.

What is important here is the 302 FJ is citing is an outlier. Its a very early 302 trying to bring people up to speed on the case - no facts are dead certain at the time.

Tinas words are: The wire had a red plastic coating on it except for the last inch which was bare .

There is nothing about the sticks being wrapped in RED ELECTRICAL TAPE!   So far as I can tell, Tina never said that - period.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2772 on: November 25, 2020, 04:52:22 PM »
Agreed, but as I mentioned it was obviously banded with something and it wasn't black?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2773 on: November 25, 2020, 04:54:00 PM »
If it turns out being red masking tape I'm pretty sure it doesn't make you a painter.. :rofl:
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2774 on: November 25, 2020, 05:00:32 PM »
Flo says about the same.."bundled as though they were taped together" this means the color was similar.