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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2700 on: November 18, 2020, 07:35:43 PM »
In regards to Tina, has it been seriously considered that she could have handled the Tina Bar money?

She told the FBI she had sarcastically asked Cooper for some of the money, after which he offered her several bundles. Firstly, why would you kid around with someone who has threatened your life? Secondly, no one else reported on this exchange (Tina asking for money), so it's her word and her word alone.

As referenced previously, she was a 45 minute drive from Tina Bar in 79, and then ducked into the convent in 1980. I don't believe that Tina was involved in the hijacking, or knew Cooper prior to the hijacking, but what was stopping her from accepting a couple grand after a stressful work day? After all, she had already accepted one of Cooper's cigarettes. I could be exceedingly wrong here, but I figured I would put it out there.
 

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« Reply #2701 on: November 18, 2020, 08:37:41 PM »
I spoke with captain Scott’s daughter at cooper con last year and she told me that her father told her that Tina had told him that Cooper had offered her some of the money. I agree GOW it’s rather odd behavior giving the circumstances and speaks to the level of comfortability/report she had with cooper.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2702 on: November 18, 2020, 09:20:02 PM »
That's interesting to hear. Do you know if she told Scott on the plane or after the fact?
 

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« Reply #2703 on: November 18, 2020, 10:35:03 PM »
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I spoke with captain Scott’s daughter at cooper con last year and she told me that her father told her that Tina had told him that Cooper had offered her some of the money. I agree GOW it’s rather odd behavior giving the circumstances and speaks to the level of comfortability/report she had with cooper.

did captain scott say that tina accepted any of the money or seemed to consider it?
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« Reply #2704 on: November 18, 2020, 11:23:27 PM »
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In regards to Tina, has it been seriously considered that she could have handled the Tina Bar money?

She told the FBI she had sarcastically asked Cooper for some of the money, after which he offered her several bundles. Firstly, why would you kid around with someone who has threatened your life? Secondly, no one else reported on this exchange (Tina asking for money), so it's her word and her word alone.

As referenced previously, she was a 45 minute drive from Tina Bar in 79, and then ducked into the convent in 1980. I don't believe that Tina was involved in the hijacking, or knew Cooper prior to the hijacking, but what was stopping her from accepting a couple grand after a stressful work day? After all, she had already accepted one of Cooper's cigarettes. I could be exceedingly wrong here, but I figured I would put it out there.

Nervous reaction to reduce tensions explains Tina asking Cooper for some of the 'stolen' money! It's quite simple. No ulterior MKULTRA and SPAWN OF THE DEVIL conspiracy as per Cooper cultists.

A better question would be: did any of the stews have hijacking training? Or situation training? Im betting they didn't. So Tina was probably using her natural instincts and common sense. Every crew member had been told/ordered to "cooperate with the hijacker" .... to make this hijacking go away asap! Tina was hijacked along with the plane! She had no choices... her positive social instincts is one of the reasons she was hired by NWO in the first place. Not everyone that applies is hired as a stewardess. 

Who knows what Tina told Scott. Only Tina could answer that!  :-X

Who cares if 'Tina was a 45 minute drive from Tina Bar in 79, and then ducked into the convent in 1980'. It's a small world and people are allowed to live where they want when they want!  Your language 'ducked into' is pejorative and conspiratorial.

And, nobody involved in this hijacking was ever elected or served as President of Pakistan, Bulgaria, or Tana Tuva!   :rofl:

Tina has manners!  :bravo:   Is it affection, or affliction!  :o
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« Reply #2705 on: November 19, 2020, 12:17:32 AM »
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In regards to Tina, has it been seriously considered that she could have handled the Tina Bar money?

She told the FBI she had sarcastically asked Cooper for some of the money, after which he offered her several bundles. Firstly, why would you kid around with someone who has threatened your life? Secondly, no one else reported on this exchange (Tina asking for money), so it's her word and her word alone.

As referenced previously, she was a 45 minute drive from Tina Bar in 79, and then ducked into the convent in 1980. I don't believe that Tina was involved in the hijacking, or knew Cooper prior to the hijacking, but what was stopping her from accepting a couple grand after a stressful work day? After all, she had already accepted one of Cooper's cigarettes. I could be exceedingly wrong here, but I figured I would put it out there.

Nervous reaction to reduce tensions explains Tina asking Cooper for some of the 'stolen' money! It's quite simple. No ulterior MKULTRA and SPAWN OF THE DEVIL conspiracy as per Cooper cultists.

A better question would be: did any of the stews have hijacking training? Or situation training? Im betting they didn't. So Tina was probably using her natural instincts and common sense. Every crew member had been told/ordered to "cooperate with the hijacker" .... to make this hijacking go away asap! Tina was hijacked along with the plane! She had no choices... her positive social instincts is one of the reasons she was hired by NWO in the first place. Not everyone that applies is hired as a stewardess. 

Who knows what Tina told Scott. Only Tina could answer that!  :-X

Who cares if 'Tina was a 45 minute drive from Tina Bar in 79, and then ducked into the convent in 1980'. It's a small world and people are allowed to live where they want when they want!  Your language 'ducked into' is pejorative and conspiratorial.

And, nobody involved in this hijacking was ever elected or served as President of Pakistan, Bulgaria, or Tana Tuva!   :rofl:

Tina has manners!  :bravo:   Is it affection, or affliction!  :o

Georger is absolutely correct on this.  There is absolute nothing to suggest that the three stewardesses or the three cockpit crew members had anything to do with the hijacking other than being victims.  There is some nonsense on You Tube that suggests otherwise but it is completely baseless.
 

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« Reply #2706 on: November 19, 2020, 01:53:18 AM »
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That's interesting to hear. Do you know if she told Scott on the plane or after the fact?

Not sure all I know is she relayed it to Scott at some point.
 

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« Reply #2707 on: November 19, 2020, 01:54:06 AM »
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I spoke with captain Scott’s daughter at cooper con last year and she told me that her father told her that Tina had told him that Cooper had offered her some of the money. I agree GOW it’s rather odd behavior giving the circumstances and speaks to the level of comfortability/report she had with cooper.

did captain scott say that tina accepted any of the money or seemed to consider it?

No
 

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« Reply #2708 on: November 19, 2020, 03:06:30 AM »
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In regards to Tina, has it been seriously considered that she could have handled the Tina Bar money?

She told the FBI she had sarcastically asked Cooper for some of the money, after which he offered her several bundles. Firstly, why would you kid around with someone who has threatened your life? Secondly, no one else reported on this exchange (Tina asking for money), so it's her word and her word alone.

As referenced previously, she was a 45 minute drive from Tina Bar in 79, and then ducked into the convent in 1980. I don't believe that Tina was involved in the hijacking, or knew Cooper prior to the hijacking, but what was stopping her from accepting a couple grand after a stressful work day? After all, she had already accepted one of Cooper's cigarettes. I could be exceedingly wrong here, but I figured I would put it out there.

Nervous reaction to reduce tensions explains Tina asking Cooper for some of the 'stolen' money! It's quite simple. No ulterior MKULTRA and SPAWN OF THE DEVIL conspiracy as per Cooper cultists.

A better question would be: did any of the stews have hijacking training? Or situation training? Im betting they didn't. So Tina was probably using her natural instincts and common sense. Every crew member had been told/ordered to "cooperate with the hijacker" .... to make this hijacking go away asap! Tina was hijacked along with the plane! She had no choices... her positive social instincts is one of the reasons she was hired by NWO in the first place. Not everyone that applies is hired as a stewardess. 

Who knows what Tina told Scott. Only Tina could answer that!  :-X

Who cares if 'Tina was a 45 minute drive from Tina Bar in 79, and then ducked into the convent in 1980'. It's a small world and people are allowed to live where they want when they want!  Your language 'ducked into' is pejorative and conspiratorial.

And, nobody involved in this hijacking was ever elected or served as President of Pakistan, Bulgaria, or Tana Tuva!   :rofl:

Tina has manners!  :bravo:   Is it affection, or affliction!  :o
No G none of the stews had skyjacker training but Tina could of taught the class. NWO also hired Alice Hancock and Flo Shaffer both who were Tina’s superiors. It’s safe to say they couldn’t handle the situation especially flo who by all accounts shit her pants... so I don’t know what that says about nwo’s hiring...maybe the crew and passengers along with cooper aboard flight 305 just got lucky with Tina, Rat sure thought so and gave her some nice Chanel perfume as a token of his gratitude but maybe it just wasn’t luck, it’s worth exploring with out having to get blasted by you G and get ridiculed and called a conspiracist. If this case is ever going to be solved there can be no stone left unturned I say! Tina told Scott cooper offered him some of the money... this is corroborated by other reports/302’s...that exchange happened when cooper got the ransom. There’s also a description of him getting childlike and exuberant. I agree TM being 45 min from tbar when the money find occurred is nothing to hold your hat on but when the timing of the find on the namesake beach coincides with a nervous breakdown and entry into a assistant living facility and then into the convent where it was reported she never fit in and then left after 12 years which is unusual, understandably to me that would makes some curious. Not to mention her lying about how long she continued to work nwo after norjack.
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« Reply #2709 on: November 19, 2020, 03:36:00 AM »
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In regards to Tina, has it been seriously considered that she could have handled the Tina Bar money?

She told the FBI she had sarcastically asked Cooper for some of the money, after which he offered her several bundles. Firstly, why would you kid around with someone who has threatened your life? Secondly, no one else reported on this exchange (Tina asking for money), so it's her word and her word alone.

As referenced previously, she was a 45 minute drive from Tina Bar in 79, and then ducked into the convent in 1980. I don't believe that Tina was involved in the hijacking, or knew Cooper prior to the hijacking, but what was stopping her from accepting a couple grand after a stressful work day? After all, she had already accepted one of Cooper's cigarettes. I could be exceedingly wrong here, but I figured I would put it out there.

Nervous reaction to reduce tensions explains Tina asking Cooper for some of the 'stolen' money! It's quite simple. No ulterior MKULTRA and SPAWN OF THE DEVIL conspiracy as per Cooper cultists.

A better question would be: did any of the stews have hijacking training? Or situation training? Im betting they didn't. So Tina was probably using her natural instincts and common sense. Every crew member had been told/ordered to "cooperate with the hijacker" .... to make this hijacking go away asap! Tina was hijacked along with the plane! She had no choices... her positive social instincts is one of the reasons she was hired by NWO in the first place. Not everyone that applies is hired as a stewardess. 

Who knows what Tina told Scott. Only Tina could answer that!  :-X

Who cares if 'Tina was a 45 minute drive from Tina Bar in 79, and then ducked into the convent in 1980'. It's a small world and people are allowed to live where they want when they want!  Your language 'ducked into' is pejorative and conspiratorial.

And, nobody involved in this hijacking was ever elected or served as President of Pakistan, Bulgaria, or Tana Tuva!   :rofl:

Tina has manners!  :bravo:   Is it affection, or affliction!  :o
No G none of the stews had skyjacker training but Tina could of taught the class. NWO also hired Alice Hancock and Flo Shaffer both who were Tina’s superiors. It’s safe to say they couldn’t handle the situation especially flo who by all accounts shit her pants... so I don’t know what that says about nwo’s hiring...maybe the crew and passengers along with cooper aboard flight 305 just got lucky with Tina, Rat sure thought so and gave her some nice Chanel perfume as a token of his gratitude but maybe it just wasn’t luck, it’s worth exploring with out having to get blasted by you G and get ridiculed and called a conspiracist. If this case is ever going to be solved there can be no stone left unturned I say! Tina told Scott cooper offered him some of the money... this is corroborated by other reports/302’s...that exchange happened when cooper got the ransom. There’s also a description of him getting childlike and exuberant. I agree TM being 45 min from tbar when the money find occurred is nothing to hold your hat on but when the timing of the find on the namesake beach coincides with a nervous breakdown and entry into a assistant living facility and then into the convent where it was reported she never fit in and then left after 12 years which is unusual, understandably to me that would makes some curious. Not to mention her lying about how long she continued to work nwo after norjack.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2710 on: November 19, 2020, 03:52:28 AM »
Accusations of Tina having something to do with the skyjacking or the money, or inferred suggestions based on unusual behaviors, always offends me because I think she is an exceptionally honorable woman, but I do understand the curious connection Tina has to the money find:

1. Namesake beach
2. Living upstream of T-Bar in Gresham, Oregon at the time of discovery or shortly before.
3. Immediate disappearance into a convent and commencing her 30-years of silence during the near time-frame of the money discovery.

But these days my thinking is heavily influenced by the diatom findings that indicate a one-time springtime dunking in the Columbia. Since the money found in 1980 most likely was present at T-Bar in 1972 or 1974, that precludes for me any possibility that Tina buried the money at T-Bar. In 1972 she was living in Minnesota and still flying for NWO, and in 1974 she was getting married and moving to California.
 

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« Reply #2711 on: November 19, 2020, 03:58:59 AM »
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Accusations of Tina having something to do with the skyjacking or the money, or inferred suggestions based on unusual behaviors, always offends me because I think she is an exceptionally honorable woman, but I do understand the curious connection Tina has to the money find:

1. Namesake beach
2. Living upstream of T-Bar in Gresham, Oregon at the time of discovery or shortly before.
3. Immediate disappearance into a convent and commencing her 30-years of silence during the near time-frame of the money discovery.

But these days my thinking is heavily influenced by the diatom findings that indicate a one-time springtime dunking in the Columbia. Since the money found in 1980 most likely was present at T-Bar in 1972 or 1974, that precludes for me any possibility that Tina buried the money at T-Bar. In 1972 she was living in Minnesota and still flying for NWO, and in 1974 she was getting married and moving to California.

If Mucklow had been a man named Ralph would you be devoting the same energy to him?  I doubt it. And I think it started with Tosaw and passed to Cook and you! 

And I think the THEORIES socalled, would be totally different!  Food for thought.  ;)

Let me be plain.   I think 90% of what some people have said and continue to say about Tina Mucklow is pure sexist bullshit, with no basis in fact. I dont think you people know Tina Mucklow at all.  That's why she keeps slamming the door in your faces ..................   

Ask Musica Farnsworth to explain it to you. You keep calling her "Mooshie" !  ::)

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« Reply #2712 on: November 19, 2020, 05:19:46 AM »
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* Ray D Clouse, 138 Point Ln, Jacksboro, TN 37757-3831, tel. 423-562-2990
* Daniel L Rice, 1346 Main St, Buckley, WA, tel. 360-829-1438

I have e-mailed Adrian Menendez, Dennis Michelson and two of the William Keats, and have written by postal mail to Ray D Clouse and Daniel L Rice, to see if they were the passengers who were listed on the NWA305 manifest. Mr Michelson replied, he was not the passenger, and in the White Pages there is no other person of that name and of the right age.
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« Reply #2713 on: November 19, 2020, 08:42:00 AM »
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In regards to Tina, has it been seriously considered that she could have handled the Tina Bar money?

She told the FBI she had sarcastically asked Cooper for some of the money, after which he offered her several bundles. Firstly, why would you kid around with someone who has threatened your life? Secondly, no one else reported on this exchange (Tina asking for money), so it's her word and her word alone.

As referenced previously, she was a 45 minute drive from Tina Bar in 79, and then ducked into the convent in 1980. I don't believe that Tina was involved in the hijacking, or knew Cooper prior to the hijacking, but what was stopping her from accepting a couple grand after a stressful work day? After all, she had already accepted one of Cooper's cigarettes. I could be exceedingly wrong here, but I figured I would put it out there.

I've never suspected Tina of having anything to do with the skyjacking. However, I've sometimes wondered if the 3 bundles of bills found in 1980 may have been the same bundles that Cooper offered up to Tina.

He takes a few bundles out of the bag and tries to hand them to her. She declines, saying they are not allowed to accept tips. Instead of putting them back into the bag (which already doesn't have as much slack in it as he would probably like), he somewhat hastily and carelessly slips them into his coat pocket or something instead.

We know the bills found at Tina Bar were at some point separated from the rest. And there was some separation of bills on the plane at the moment Cooper tried to hand some to Tina. Were the bills that got separated in the air the same ones that ended up being separated on the ground?

Who knows. Just something I've pondered a time or two. Did Tina ever say what Cooper did with those bills after she declined his tip? Did she say that she then saw him stuff them back into the bag?
 

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« Reply #2714 on: November 19, 2020, 08:56:21 AM »
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Accusations of Tina having something to do with the skyjacking or the money, or inferred suggestions based on unusual behaviors, always offends me because I think she is an exceptionally honorable woman, but I do understand the curious connection Tina has to the money find:

1. Namesake beach
2. Living upstream of T-Bar in Gresham, Oregon at the time of discovery or shortly before.
3. Immediate disappearance into a convent and commencing her 30-years of silence during the near time-frame of the money discovery.

But these days my thinking is heavily influenced by the diatom findings that indicate a one-time springtime dunking in the Columbia. Since the money found in 1980 most likely was present at T-Bar in 1972 or 1974, that precludes for me any possibility that Tina buried the money at T-Bar. In 1972 she was living in Minnesota and still flying for NWO, and in 1974 she was getting married and moving to California.

Thanks, Bruce. Your summary is basically what I was trying to get at. They could just be curious connections, but it warrants discussion.