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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2460 on: April 18, 2020, 12:09:16 AM »
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3.  The "dangerous Mexican border"?  Where is that?  I doubt if it is any more dangerous than, say, the area surrounding the University of Iowa.  But Iowa appears to have vastly more people who claim to be "experts" on ever subject under the sun than Mexico.   


I concur. Ames, Iowa and UI is about the LAST place I would deem as safe. My friends from Plum Island, NY left their bio-weapons research labs there a number of years ago and relocated to Ames so that they would be far away from metro areas, yet close enough to cultural experiences to attract world-class epidemiologists and the biochemists who do that kind of work and want an occasional opera or symphony to entertain them.

Not sure what you two are referring to, since neither of you live here! Covid has penetrated all walls. World-class epidemiologists and the biochemists yes. In fact my neighbor is one of those, has been on CNN several times, but nobody in political power listens to these people much less requests their opinions. That is one reason why the world is in the mess its in but nothing new about that either! Everyone reasons: it wont be me so I can say and do anything I want with impunity. That includes commentators here spreading their propaganda powered hatchet jobs. Its an addiction. People generally deny they are addicted!  The worse the addiction the stronger the denial, and the greater the effort to deflect and point fingers at others. It's a shabby time consuming way to have to live. Nothing ever gets solved. Each day the same as the one before until you forget to pay the utility bill and now you are sitting in the dark too, with your knowledge and expertise!  :o

A high price to pay for a socalled interest, in the DB Cooper Hijacking case ?  :'(
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2461 on: April 18, 2020, 06:07:41 AM »
The reference I made to Ames was based on statements found in Lab 257, the story of Plum Island. The author is a fellow named Michael Carroll, who lives in Long Island.
 

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« Reply #2462 on: April 27, 2020, 05:02:03 PM »
I've read many times that there was a body of a young woman found in the search area when they had troops stomping through the brush. Was she ID'd? Anyone have a link to that info?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2463 on: April 27, 2020, 10:32:31 PM »
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I've read many times that there was a body of a young woman found in the search area when they had troops stomping through the brush. Was she ID'd? Anyone have a link to that info?

Girl was Barbara Ann Derry, 18 years old, and she wasn't found by any troops out in the brush. She is reported to have been found by two women searching for deposit bottles. Odd, right? 400 soldiers out there and a girl collecting Coke bottles finds the corpse?

The article claims she was found in the cistern of a Grist Mill near Woodland, which can still be found on Google Maps. A few weeks earlier, another girl named Cynthia Glass, 26, was found shot to death on a logging road in Cowlitz County. Supposedly, Himmelsbach had incorrectly identified the victim found during the Cooper search, but it may simply have been confusion as to which body they were referring to, Glass, found March 29th, or Derry, found February 20th.

It has been suggested that Derry was the victim of a serial killer [https://murderpedia.org/male.F/f/forrest-warren-leslie.htm]. What are the odds that D.B. Cooper and a Serial Killer crossed paths? Whole thing is weird.
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« Reply #2464 on: April 27, 2020, 11:25:19 PM »
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I've read many times that there was a body of a young woman found in the search area when they had troops stomping through the brush. Was she ID'd? Anyone have a link to that info?

Girl was Barbara Ann Derry, 18 years old, and she wasn't found by any troops out in the brush. She is reported to have been found by two women searching for deposit bottles. Odd, right? 400 soldiers out there and a girl collecting Coke bottles finds the corpse?

The article claims she was found in the cistern of a Grist Mill near Woodland, which can still be found on Google Maps. A few weeks earlier, another girl named Cynthia Glass, 26, was found shot to death on a logging road in Cowlitz County. Supposedly, Himmelsbach had incorrectly identified the victim found during the Cooper search, but it may simply have been confusion as to which body they were referring to, Glass, found March 29th, or Derry, found February 20th.

It has been suggested that Derry was the victim of a serial killer [https://murderpedia.org/male.F/f/forrest-warren-leslie.htm]. What are the odds that D.B. Cooper and a Serial Killer crossed paths? Whole thing is weird.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2465 on: April 28, 2020, 04:46:55 AM »
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I've read many times that there was a body of a young woman found in the search area when they had troops stomping through the brush. Was she ID'd? Anyone have a link to that info?

OOPS. I hadn't read the above posts before I wrote the following. BTW. the location of the one body find might be Grist Mill Rd. and not an actual grist mill or its ruins.

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Geoffrey Gray may have it. GG read the 300-page account that Norjak Case Agent Charlie Farrell wrote but never made public. Farrell may have identified the two bodies his teams recovered in the March and April 1972 ground search in Amboy.

The Farrell family has refused to share the Norjak Papers with me. Not sure why. Charlie Farrell passed away in 2003 or so. His family still lives in the Seattle area. I was unable to contact the Farrell family directly, but went through the retired SA Bob Sale, whom I met through Bob Sailshaw several years ago.

Maybe Larry Carr can make an introduction. Or try John Detlor or Bob Fuhriman. Both agents are still alive as far as I know, interested in Norjak, and living in the Seattle area, as is Ron Nichols, who took over from Farrell. Nichols has resisted ALL contact with media and Cooperites, including Galen Cook, which shocks me.

Lastly, you might be able to check in with the Culp family in Amboy. The son of matriarch Margaret Culp was subjected to an FBI interrogation due to his photographing the federal ground search, so the family might be able to share some details. Besides, Maggie had some STRONG feelings towards the feds. Most of the protest signs against the Bonneville Power folks are gone now, but a few years back they were ubiquitous around Mag's neighborhood, if you catch my drift....
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2466 on: April 28, 2020, 05:49:16 AM »
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BTW. the location of the one body find might be Grist Mill Rd. and not an actual grist mill or its ruins.

Bruce, there were two newspaper clippings attached to my post above. Take a peek. "...in a grist mill cistern east of Woodland" is pretty specific. Here is a third, where it describes the same structure within the mill not as a cistern but as a silo. Probably hard for most people in 1972 to identify outdated tech like the guts of a water mill.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2467 on: April 28, 2020, 11:19:55 AM »
Thanks guys!

The Grist Mill is still standing today and is a museum of sorts by the way.
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« Reply #2468 on: April 28, 2020, 05:28:31 PM »
The Grist Mill exists? Great. I'll have to take a look someday.

When I was poking around Amboy and asked about it, some folks didn't know what I was talking about and said that I was probably referring to Grist Mill Road. Hence, my confusion.

Speaking of confusion, one of the above posts mentions that a body (one of the two?) was found in late February, 1972? By whom? The feds and Army weren't in the woods until late March.
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« Reply #2469 on: April 28, 2020, 09:06:05 PM »
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The Grist Mill exists? Great. I'll have to take a look someday.

When I was poking around Amboy and asked about it, some folks didn't know what I was talking about and said that I was probably referring to Grist Mill Road. Hence, my confusion.

Speaking of confusion, one of the above posts mentions that a body (one of the two?) was found in late February, 1972? By whom? The feds and Army weren't in the woods until late March.

Found by a couple walking their dog, one day after she was abducted.
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She'd been raped and apparently shot. I believe Barbara Derry was stabbed. She was last seen walking home from work, and was found I think weeks later in the Grist Mill, which was apparently abandoned at the time. If I recall correctly, it was some kind of off-the-grid homeless/teenager/vagabond hangout, which would make it a good spot to collect beer bottles.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2470 on: May 08, 2020, 10:32:07 AM »
Does anyone know if the FBI looked into any suspects that were dying? What I mean is within a couple years of the hijacking.
 

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« Reply #2471 on: May 08, 2020, 06:54:48 PM »
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Does anyone know if the FBI looked into any suspects that were dying? What I mean is within a couple years of the hijacking.

Not that I can think of, Mey Doc.
 

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« Reply #2472 on: May 08, 2020, 11:17:38 PM »
One of the letters that supposed sent by DB Cooper said that he had 14 months to live.
 

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« Reply #2473 on: May 09, 2020, 02:06:25 AM »
Yes, I'm aware of that letter. Not sure that the FBI ever investigated the author. In fact, I don't know that the FBI ever identified any of the authors of letters signed DB Cooper, etc.

The subject of the letters and any subsequent action by the FBI is a bit of a hazy, mysterious side angle of Norjak.

I've heard some strange stuff. Galen told me that Himmelsbach told him that there were no letters!

Then we have the bizarre Al Di episode, the decoding of "Letter #3" and all of that.
 
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« Reply #2474 on: May 12, 2020, 08:37:46 PM »
Hi all.  I'm brand new to this forum, and have only spent about a month learning about Cooper, though I'm a veteran of several other rabbit holes, true crime and otherwise.  As my screen name indicates, my expertise is in books.  I'm an academic librarian, long-time bookseller, former English major, and independent researcher.  The contention that the phrase "negotiable American currency" indicates that Cooper was not from the U.S. does not ring true to me.  Not to pick on the fine folks at the Citizen Sleuths website, but their statement is a good example.  They say, "Since no American citizen would use those terms, it suggests that Cooper was not originally from this country."  I did some quick checking in Google Books and the Internet Archive, and came up with three instances of the phrase, and three more of the phrase "negotiable U.S. currency."  All are from U.S. publications, four of the six are clearly American authors, and the uses range in publication date from 1963 to 2002.  I list them below.  I have screen shots of all, if anyone wants context.  For now, I'll just attach the first one with an unidentified author.

Unknown author, Car Life Magazine, 1963, uses “negotiable American currency.”

Philbrooke Paine, born 1910, journalist from New Hampshire, author of Squarely Behind the Beavers, 1963, page 29, uses “negotiable American currency.”

John Reese, born 1910 in Nebraska, western and crime writer, “The World’s Second Oldest Profession,” Mike Shayne Mystery Magazine Annual 1972, page 57, uses “negotiable American currency.”

Veronica Geng, born 1941 in Atlanta, raised in Philadelphia, acclaimed editor and writer for publications such as the New Yorker, New York Times, Love Trouble: New and Collected Work, 1999, page 198, uses “negotiable U.S. currency.”

David McClintick, born 1940, raised in Kansas and Montana, Swordfish : a true story of ambition, savagery, and betrayal, 1993, page 216, uses “negotiable U.S. currency.”

The Currency Dealer Newsletter: October 2002, page 110, published in California, uses “negotiable U.S. currency.”