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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4305 on: March 21, 2021, 02:56:58 PM »
I measure 18 SM from the 23 DME to the money find spot. Again, the 23 DME on the Western Flight Path.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4306 on: March 21, 2021, 02:58:13 PM »
I'm using aviation charts? looks like it's a standoff... :rofl:

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4307 on: March 21, 2021, 03:09:29 PM »
23 miles coords N45°23.34' W122°44.78'
Canby coords N45°18.67' W122°45.77'
5 NM between the two...

Battle Ground coords N45°44.93' W122°35.59'
Google shows it about 500 feet off...
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4308 on: March 21, 2021, 05:01:14 PM »
The  approximate coords for 23 DME on the Western Flight Path = 45.476966, -122.794428

The coords for the money find spot  = 45.718564, -122.759423

The distance between the two is 16.777 SM
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4309 on: March 21, 2021, 05:27:50 PM »
I'll stick with the aviation coords..
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4310 on: March 21, 2021, 05:45:02 PM »
If I'm reading those coords correctly, it's too far west to register 23 miles DME to Battle Ground. still checking....
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4311 on: March 21, 2021, 05:51:09 PM »
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If I'm reading those coords correctly, it's too far west to register 23 miles DME to Battle Ground. still checking....

Yes that's actually 26 SM from Battle Ground which puts the 23 DME a couple of miles closer to Tena Bar...about 14 SM.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4312 on: March 21, 2021, 05:52:38 PM »
My point stands, in either case DBC jumps and lands very near Tena Bar where the money was found.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4313 on: March 21, 2021, 06:14:21 PM »
The simplest way, as R99 speaks of is from the Malay intersection down to the Canby intersection. this connects onto V23 (center) with hitting the 23 miles DME several miles north in the same path to Canby.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4314 on: March 21, 2021, 06:20:58 PM »
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The simplest way, as R99 speaks of is from the Malay intersection down to the Canby intersection. this connects onto V23 (center) with hitting the 23 miles DME several miles north in the same path to Canby.

Yes that's correct. This puts the jet just west of Tena Bar either over the Columbia River or Sauvie Island on the way down.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4315 on: March 21, 2021, 07:18:16 PM »
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I'm assuming DBC jumped at 8:13. If the jet was 23 DME at 8:18 then DBC jumped 5 minutes earlier. Back tracking 5 minutes along the Western Flight Path from 23 DME is about 16 miles north and puts the jet very near Tena Bar.
Actually, EU, I thought the same thing but in regards to the FBI path. Backtracking 5 minutes along the FBI flight path, would put an 8:13 jump spot very near the Columbia.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4316 on: March 21, 2021, 11:25:56 PM »
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I'm assuming DBC jumped at 8:13. If the jet was 23 DME at 8:18 then DBC jumped 5 minutes earlier. Back tracking 5 minutes along the Western Flight Path from 23 DME is about 16 miles north and puts the jet very near Tena Bar.
Actually, EU, I thought the same thing but in regards to the FBI path. Backtracking 5 minutes along the FBI flight path, would put an 8:13 jump spot very near the Columbia.

Unless Cpr is an expert and drops then opens at about 1000ft feet, he is going to drift no matter the flight path. He will not land in the Columbia or at Tina Bar in any event even with a jump at 8:13. There is no scenario that drops money at the Ingram find location on Tina Bar. This isnt a murder where a body drops in place to be found 8 years later in the same place!  ;)   
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4317 on: March 22, 2021, 07:27:11 AM »
According to the FBI Flight Path map, 305 crossed the Columbia over Tomahawk Island at 8:17. How then is it possible that over the next one minute (8:18) that 305 traveled another 9.5 NM to arrive at 23 DME? This would appear to suggest that the 8:22 time stamp would have to be accurate for the jet to arrive at 23 DME.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4318 on: March 22, 2021, 07:57:10 AM »
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I'm assuming DBC jumped at 8:13. If the jet was 23 DME at 8:18 then DBC jumped 5 minutes earlier. Back tracking 5 minutes along the Western Flight Path from 23 DME is about 16 miles north and puts the jet very near Tena Bar.
Actually, EU, I thought the same thing but in regards to the FBI path. Backtracking 5 minutes along the FBI flight path, would put an 8:13 jump spot very near the Columbia.

Unless Cpr is an expert and drops then opens at about 1000ft feet, he is going to drift no matter the flight path. He will not land in the Columbia or at Tina Bar in any event even with a jump at 8:13. There is no scenario that drops money at the Ingram find location on Tina Bar. This isnt a murder where a body drops in place to be found 8 years later in the same place!  ;)

Excellent point that he will DRIFT. In those conditions of course he would have.  But once again I will ask, as I have asked some others, if he pulls the chords on either side, would it not give him at least some ability to alter the course of his landing spot?  They have emphasized he had non steerable chutes.  But couldn't you have a bit of control because it would have to change your direction if you  pulled the chords?  Sir Isaac Newton if you will.  To some degree.  To avoid hitting the water, if he was near the water.  It seems they really do not have a very good idea as to where he landed.   There is a bunch of wilderness that has to be covered.  Just watching the first interview with the late captain, he seemed to want no part of discussing this any more than he had to for the cops?  And they were all over the place depending on which one you talked to.  A true mess as far as evidence for a landing spot.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4319 on: March 22, 2021, 01:00:05 PM »
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I'm assuming DBC jumped at 8:13. If the jet was 23 DME at 8:18 then DBC jumped 5 minutes earlier. Back tracking 5 minutes along the Western Flight Path from 23 DME is about 16 miles north and puts the jet very near Tena Bar.
Actually, EU, I thought the same thing but in regards to the FBI path. Backtracking 5 minutes along the FBI flight path, would put an 8:13 jump spot very near the Columbia.

Unless Cpr is an expert and drops then opens at about 1000ft feet, he is going to drift no matter the flight path. He will not land in the Columbia or at Tina Bar in any event even with a jump at 8:13. There is no scenario that drops money at the Ingram find location on Tina Bar. This isnt a murder where a body drops in place to be found 8 years later in the same place!  ;)
But if he no-pulls, then drift doesn’t become an issue. If he jumped near the Columbia then the plane is flying into the direction of the wind. That would negate the forward throw, correct?
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