Forging relationships with networks, the media and other powers-that-be opens doors that would otherwise be closed. I saw this during the History Channel show whereby we gained special access to the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge, as well as garnered special permission from the FBI in a couple of areas.

This is true. Also, production budgets certainly help in financing the logistics of searches and research.

Forging and leveraging such relationships is smart...not selling out.

I've seen the 'selling out' topic debated a few times. The bottom line is, television shows (and movies) are products. The people making them are investing time and money to make a product that they sell for profit. None of those people are working for free. And if any of you are working with them, neither should you.

Let's see - this is flight path thread. I will post on the flight path. And the drop of DB Cooper.

Going back to 2008 which was 13 years ago, SP Larry Carr was given permission to come to a public forum, Dropzone, a forum known for having people with technical skills, to seek the help of the public. Forum members were as interested in questioning Larry as he was getting input from them. At length Larry posted:

"Jan 22, 2008, 1:03 PM
Post #1298 of 1694 (759 views)
Registered: Sep 7, 2007

      Re: [SafecrackingPLF] Columbia Waterline [In reply to]
 
Since there is nothing that reasonably points to someone planting the money, we can rule out any jump point that could not put Cooper near a tributary. If Cooper jumped over or just south of Orchard he would have been blown north and east several miles. If the farthest south jump point shown on the map I posted is 8:12, then where would the plane be at 8:13, 8:14 and 8:15. Also don't forget you could factor in a flight path .5 mile east of the flight path line from Battleground to Salem.

and

I never posted anything to suggest this, I posted that if you look at the information surrounding the money, Cooper had to have jumped further south than what was originally believed. On the map the furthermost point south is at 8:12 PM, he must have jumped more around 8:15 PM but not after. The crew must have made a mistake in their reporting time of the incident.

The crew knew they were not over Portland and we know, because of where the money was found, it had to have been further south than the 8:12 PM point on the map. That should reveal a new search are

Once we have the distance the bag can travel, a hydrologist needs to pinpoint a location nearest to the 8:15 PM flight path that could drain into the Columbia. If the pieces of the puzzle fit we solved part of the mystery. If it is way off, back to work."


Maybe now that the placard hypothesis is dead, maybe people need to go back to the beginning? Its just an idea. It's not cyberbullying. It's just a thought based on the original thoughts that once drove the Cooper chase. No emojis were used in this post. 

Chaucer?

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Let's see - this is flight path thread. I will post on the flight path. And the drop of DB Cooper.

Going back to 2008 which was 13 years ago, SP Larry Carr was given permission to come to a public forum, Dropzone, a forum known for having people with technical skills, to seek the help of the public. Forum members were as interested in questioning Larry as he was getting input from them. At length Larry posted:

"Jan 22, 2008, 1:03 PM
Post #1298 of 1694 (759 views)
Registered: Sep 7, 2007

      Re: [SafecrackingPLF] Columbia Waterline [In reply to]
 
Since there is nothing that reasonably points to someone planting the money, we can rule out any jump point that could not put Cooper near a tributary. If Cooper jumped over or just south of Orchard he would have been blown north and east several miles. If the farthest south jump point shown on the map I posted is 8:12, then where would the plane be at 8:13, 8:14 and 8:15. Also don't forget you could factor in a flight path .5 mile east of the flight path line from Battleground to Salem.

and

I never posted anything to suggest this, I posted that if you look at the information surrounding the money, Cooper had to have jumped further south than what was originally believed. On the map the furthermost point south is at 8:12 PM, he must have jumped more around 8:15 PM but not after. The crew must have made a mistake in their reporting time of the incident.

The crew knew they were not over Portland and we know, because of where the money was found, it had to have been further south than the 8:12 PM point on the map. That should reveal a new search are

Once we have the distance the bag can travel, a hydrologist needs to pinpoint a location nearest to the 8:15 PM flight path that could drain into the Columbia. If the pieces of the puzzle fit we solved part of the mystery. If it is way off, back to work."


Maybe now that the placard hypothesis is dead, maybe people need to go back to the beginning? Its just an idea. It's not cyberbullying. It's just a thought based on the original thoughts that once drove the Cooper chase. No emojis were used in this post. 

Chaucer?

I have a lot to say about that. I have some business to handle, and I need to some time to gather some of my research together, but I will respond to this today.

Packets and paper straps is going to be the next thing to fall.  Talked to Tom. Tom says he thinks FJ's claim that paper straps dissolve after eight years, is nonsense.

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Let's see - this is flight path thread. I will post on the flight path. And the drop of DB Cooper.

Going back to 2008 which was 13 years ago, SP Larry Carr was given permission to come to a public forum, Dropzone, a forum known for having people with technical skills, to seek the help of the public. Forum members were as interested in questioning Larry as he was getting input from them. At length Larry posted:

"Jan 22, 2008, 1:03 PM
Post #1298 of 1694 (759 views)
Registered: Sep 7, 2007

      Re: [SafecrackingPLF] Columbia Waterline [In reply to]
 
Since there is nothing that reasonably points to someone planting the money, we can rule out any jump point that could not put Cooper near a tributary. If Cooper jumped over or just south of Orchard he would have been blown north and east several miles. If the farthest south jump point shown on the map I posted is 8:12, then where would the plane be at 8:13, 8:14 and 8:15. Also don't forget you could factor in a flight path .5 mile east of the flight path line from Battleground to Salem.

and

I never posted anything to suggest this, I posted that if you look at the information surrounding the money, Cooper had to have jumped further south than what was originally believed. On the map the furthermost point south is at 8:12 PM, he must have jumped more around 8:15 PM but not after. The crew must have made a mistake in their reporting time of the incident.

The crew knew they were not over Portland and we know, because of where the money was found, it had to have been further south than the 8:12 PM point on the map. That should reveal a new search are

Once we have the distance the bag can travel, a hydrologist needs to pinpoint a location nearest to the 8:15 PM flight path that could drain into the Columbia. If the pieces of the puzzle fit we solved part of the mystery. If it is way off, back to work."


Maybe now that the placard hypothesis is dead, maybe people need to go back to the beginning? Its just an idea. It's not cyberbullying. It's just a thought based on the original thoughts that once drove the Cooper chase. No emojis were used in this post. 

Chaucer?

OK, I was dealing with a minor family emergency so I am just getting around to addressing this. The first thing that sticks out is that Carr claims that the farthest south point is 8:15. This is confusing because Rat later told him that the pressure bump was 10 to 15 minutes after last contact. Was this post made after Rat's second statement? If it is, then we don't need a tributary to flow into the Columbia. We have the Columbia itself.

The other issue is the wind. Carr states that Cooper would have been blown north and east. However, the winds near Portland were from the south at 5mp at 7pm but had shifted from the south-southwest at 12 mph by 10pm. In the absence of any more detailed wind data, we have to assume that by 8:15 the wind was closer to coming from the south than the southwest. This is problematic for the river landing theory because based on my calculations, Cooper would have to jump near the south bank to end up in the middle of the river or directly over the river to end up on the north bank. This is taking into consideration both the wind and the forward throw. If Cooper jumped directly over the north bank of the river, say near Pearson Field, he would have ended up approximately .3 miles to the north or northeast which would put him near the Louis and Clark Highway. I am going to be continuing to look into the wind and potential dropzone between the I-5 and I-205 bridge. If anyone has any data on a potential. Columbia River dropzone already, please let me know.

Could Cooper have bailed close to the Columbia and began his drift, but got separated from the money due to some shock force, at separation from the plane or just after jumping when the chute opens? The money bag goes straight to the ground close to or in the Columbia, while Cooper drifts.   

Georger,

That’s absolutely a possibility. Similar to what happened to McNally. That would explain why no body, chute, and briefcase were ever located.

The very big problem as I see it is that there is no plausible scenario for the money to travel 12 miles to Tena Bar, then three of the 100 packets self-bury for several years, while the other 97 packets and everything else disappear off the face of the earth--even the man himself.

Not to mention, this has to happen seven months after the skyjacking because of the diatoms. Which also means the money could not have landed in the river because hitting the water at 100 mph the bag is going to go right to the bottom if not break open on impact.

In short, I just don't see how this theory fleshes out.

Some of the money falls out of the bag at Tena Bar while the rest end up at the bottom of the Columbia. It's not complicated.  Not everything, particularly nature, follows hard and fast rules. We've all heard stories of a tornado ripping through a town and the only thing left standing is a religious statue. Why? Who knows? Same thing could apply here.

Again, the big problem is getting the bag to travel 12 miles not to mention the act of self-burial which I think is damn near impossible.

Perhaps there is an example someone can provide of paper--magazine for example, or other paper currency--being buried by minimal to light wave action on a beach somewhere for eight years.

Back to the 12 miles: You really are left with some scenario where the money hitches a ride on something for 12 miles--again only in the month of June after hanging out somewhere else unnoticed for seven months.

In my diseased mind, some guy burying the cash is a hell of a lot easier to contemplate.

Of course, given the opportunity to speak with Bill Rataczak at length, I decided to ask him some questions related to the flight and flight path:

1) I asked him if the jet was on autopilot as they flew south over Washington State.

Bill said no, that he was flying the jet by hand. He stated that the jet had flown largely on autopilot through out the day as it made its way from the East Coast. However, that the flight out of Seattle was different.

Bill told me that the reason he hand flew the jet was because they were not certain how the jet would respond once the airstairs were lowered. Simple as that.

2) I asked him very specifically whether DBC originally wanted the jet to take off from Seattle with the airstairs down, or whether he only wanted the jet to have its airstairs lowered after takeoff--as one person has insisted, even though the FBI files are crystal clear.

Bill told me that DBC, from the beginning, wanted the jet to depart Seattle with the airstairs down. However, he pushed back saying that this was not possible. Bill went on to say that the 727 with its swept back wings can occasionally tilt back too far and scrape the runway on take off. Therefore, the 727 has the skid plate that protrudes near the back-bottom to protect the fuselage. Bill told Cooper--via Tina--therefore, they cannot take off with the airstairs down. This was somewhat of an issue with Cooper, but he acquiesced and allowed the jet to take off with the airstairs up, but they would be lowered immediately upon take off.

3) I asked Bill if he had seen the FBI Flight Path Map.

Bill said he isn't sure. He said the only flight path map he has seen was one drawn up by Paul Soderlin which he still has in his files and will bring with him to CC21.

4) I asked Bill about the series of turns over Vancouver, PDX, and Portland depicted on the FBI Flight Path Map -- likely the same as Sodelin's"--and asked him if that looked correct or if he remembered flying the jet like that.

Bill told me he does not recall flying the jet like that. He essentially remembers flying straight segments albeit by hand.