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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3555 on: October 22, 2020, 10:12:49 AM »
Of note, the original Cinebar memo states that the hunter who found the piece was from Fife. This memo states that he was from Tacoma. Fife is a suburb of Tacoma. It is likely the same guy, unless Boeing employees from Tacoma frequently find airplane parts in the woods.

Secondly, as EU pointed out, this new memo never mentions Cinebar, but only describes the location as an "isolated area".
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3556 on: October 22, 2020, 10:19:09 AM »
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Of note, the original Cinebar memo states that the hunter who found the piece was from Fife. This memo states that he was from Tacoma. Fife is a suburb of Tacoma. It is likely the same guy, unless Boeing employees from Tacoma frequently find airplane parts in the woods.

Secondly, as EU pointed out, this new memo never mentions Cinebar, but only describes the location as an "isolated area".

I lived there for many years, Fife is not Tacoma. It's in the area as are a lot of other cities and towns.

The document does not say that the Boeing guy found the piece in 1973...it says he's aware of it...whatever that means.

Nonetheless, the documents are nearly two years apart, obviously it's not the same item.

This is an example of people being so blinded with trying to prove me wrong that they can't see clearly.
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« Reply #3557 on: October 22, 2020, 10:19:24 AM »
A two year gap is in the documents. at the bottom of the first one says an agent will get back with him. it's possible they never did. we have a lot of Boeing employee's out there looking and stumbling onto things. did he move or was it really another Boeing employee?

Nether document states skirting or part of the railing.

I added the fact of wondering if it was two different parts and two different people.
 

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« Reply #3558 on: October 22, 2020, 10:22:19 AM »
I'm not trying to prove jack shit. why can't anyone challenge someone on here without being accused of something or shitting on there background!

I'm trying to get to the bottom of things vs jumping ahead and stating things as fact.
 

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« Reply #3559 on: October 22, 2020, 10:24:34 AM »
I'm not accusing anyone on here and constantly get the fucking third degree. I've had enough of this and think it's time to let this go.
 

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« Reply #3560 on: October 22, 2020, 10:31:49 AM »
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I lived there for many years, Fife is not Tacoma. It's in the area as are a lot of other cities and towns.
A 90 second Google search will bring up multiple sites that clearly identify Fife as a "suburb of Tacoma"

Also, I'm not trying to "prove anything". In fact, I pointed out that Cinebar wasn't mentioned in the memo.

I just find it peculiar that multiple Boeing employees from the Tacoma area would find 727 parts in isolated, wooded areas. Seems like a little more than coincidence, but who knows?

Either way, it's an interesting find, but disappointing that the find location is never identified.
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« Reply #3561 on: October 22, 2020, 10:33:08 AM »
Your exact words were, "Flyjack found another document surrounding Cinebar."

What follows is an attempt to challenge that the 1975 document, "he goes on to describe the part being from the rear door step assembly which still doesn't sound like the skirting." And, "no mention of railing in the description."

These finds are not the same. This has nothing to do with Cinebar.

I understand the caveat at the end in the form of a question. My complaint is more about FJ who apparently can't see straight. It was not really directed at you SHUTTER, even though the opening sentence was particularly bold.
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« Reply #3562 on: October 22, 2020, 10:37:10 AM »
I think it's disingenuous to suggest that this has NOTHING to do with the Cinebar find. There are certainly similarities between the two, and there isn't enough evidence to dismiss it as unrelated.
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« Reply #3563 on: October 22, 2020, 10:38:06 AM »
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I lived there for many years, Fife is not Tacoma. It's in the area as are a lot of other cities and towns.
A 90 second Google search will bring up multiple sites that clearly identify Fife as a "suburb of Tacoma"

Also, I'm not trying to "prove anything". In fact, I pointed out that Cinebar wasn't mentioned in the memo.

I just find it peculiar that multiple Boeing employees from the Tacoma area would find 727 parts in isolated, wooded areas. Seems like a little more than coincidence, but who knows?

Either way, it's an interesting find, but disappointing that the find location is never identified.

Consider that it does not say that the Boeing employee found the item...it just says he's aware of it.

Nonetheless, I concur, this document is a very good find and worthy of acknowledgement. I too wish it specified precisely where this item was found. It could tell us an awful lot.

How the F are these things being found that come from inside of a 727 and nobody in law enforcement seems to have any idea what they're dealing with or even give a shit?
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« Reply #3564 on: October 22, 2020, 10:41:14 AM »
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I think it's disingenuous to suggest that this has NOTHING to do with the Cinebar find. There are certainly similarities between the two, and there isn't enough evidence to dismiss it as unrelated.

Note, if this metal item--which presumably wouldn't drift much--was actually found near Cinebar, the FBI Flight Path has some serious explaining to do considering that according to the FBI Flight Path, 305 flew no where near Cinebar. In short, it would actually help prove my case skirt or no skirt.
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« Reply #3565 on: October 22, 2020, 10:45:29 AM »
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I think it's disingenuous to suggest that this has NOTHING to do with the Cinebar find. There are certainly similarities between the two, and there isn't enough evidence to dismiss it as unrelated.

Note, if this metal item--which presumably wouldn't drift much--was actually found near Cinebar, the FBI Flight Path has some serious explaining to do considering that according to the FBI Flight Path, 305 flew no where near Cinebar. In short, it would actually help prove my case skirt or no skirt.
Again, as Shutter said, I'm not claiming this proves or disproves anything. It's an interesting find particularly considering the similarities between it and the Cinebar memo. That's it.

One thought is that the same guy came forward and the FBI never got back to him so he approached them again two year later.

Also, can anyone make out the handwritten notation at the bottom?
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« Reply #3566 on: October 22, 2020, 10:48:07 AM »
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Also, can anyone make out the handwritten notation at the bottom?

It says "Tacoma lead"
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« Reply #3567 on: October 22, 2020, 10:53:34 AM »
It also says, "NOTE: No rear door assembly lost from Norjak airliner"
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« Reply #3568 on: October 22, 2020, 10:55:10 AM »
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Also, can anyone make out the handwritten notation at the bottom?

It says "Tacoma lead"
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I meant the handwritten message that says NOTE

I think it says:

(NOTE: No ??? step assembly lost from NORJACK airplane)

I can't make out the word after no. I assume it says "rear" but it doesn't look like it.

ETA: I posted this as EU posted his.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3569 on: October 22, 2020, 10:56:49 AM »
In fairness, it does not say it came from inside the jet...it could be an exterior component. It also doesn't explicitly state it came from a Boeing 727. That said, it seems to imply as much in that he starts relaying 727 technical info to the agent.
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