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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3480 on: October 20, 2020, 01:54:13 PM »
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How is it west of the path?

I have it being found about 8/10ths of a mile SW of the FBI Flight Path. That said, even if it was found right under the FBI Flight Path or two miles east of the FBI Flight Path, it is a problem for the FBI Flight Path. Remember, according to R99's placard drift analysis, the placard drifted approximately 8 miles before it landed on the forest floor. How can this be reasonably explained?

Also, again, how do the skirt and placard end up on the forest floor considering they both came from the INSIDE of a 727?
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« Reply #3481 on: October 20, 2020, 01:57:33 PM »
can you show that on a map..I've never seen the placard that close to the known path..
 

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« Reply #3482 on: October 20, 2020, 02:03:33 PM »
To clarify....

The FBI spoke with the guy who found the part near Cinebar on the telephone. this obviously means more of a conversation took place than written. he also appears to be from Pife Wa. that's a hundred miles away and tells me he's a serious hunter. looking at the grounds and hunting regions appears to be just about everywhere, including getting a permit for private property.

Now, the 302 is not conclusive enough to give the exact location or the exact part being partial or whole. was it east, west, northeast or southeast of Cinebar. how can any conclusion to a path be made? I never once claimed it was not from 305. I said it was dropping in verification. why wouldn't he explain on the telephone it was only a piece of a part. that's very concerning when describing something you can't see. if he would of told him, which we don't know that it was part of the railing on the side of the stairs the agent would of probably said, where is it? just as they did with the placard.

Two placards were found. the Hicks has multiple conclusions in totality. they appear to believe it came off when the stairs were lowered and the pressure changed. they were open for miles, no? it was found what is now being reported as a very dense area but somehow was visible for almost 8 years without being overgrown in the dense area? a second placard found not long after the Hicks find and it's made out as 99% coming from the hijacked plane but is over 24 miles away?

The Hicks placard was damaged and had a large tear in it and suggests it would not float or drift as well as a undamaged piece would. testing required.. the Cinebar part...unless you know the exact spot or weight it's not conclusive to anything? what if it was 6 miles east of Cinebar? move the path again that was proof before?

My whole point here is not to claim anything other than how the items were found and the dates or locations that don't exist that put a lot of questions into things prior to calling them evidence to anything. nothing conclusive in all 3 items found for different reasons. how can that possibly be stupid?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3483 on: October 20, 2020, 02:13:50 PM »
Take a look at the items coming out of McNally's plane...300 knots I believe..

Money traveled about 4.5 miles..
Gun traveled a little over 5 miles drifting west.
The pants traveled about 11 miles drifting further west.

appears the winds were southwest..
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3484 on: October 20, 2020, 02:24:32 PM »
The following link brings you to a Google Map I made that shows a number of things including the FBI Flight Path, my version of the Western Flight Path, the Cinebar Hunting Lands, the Hicks' placard find location, the Tena Bar money find location, and some other stuff.

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3485 on: October 20, 2020, 02:28:41 PM »
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a second placard found not long after the Hicks find and it's made out as 99% coming from the hijacked plane but is over 24 miles away?

I believe the 99% claim means that it came from a 727--as 305 was a 727--but not the hijacked jet itself.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3486 on: October 20, 2020, 02:31:58 PM »
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« Reply #3487 on: October 20, 2020, 02:32:30 PM »
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a second placard found not long after the Hicks find and it's made out as 99% coming from the hijacked plane but is over 24 miles away?

I believe the 99% claim means that it came from a 727--as 305 was a 727--but not the hijacked jet itself.

Exactly....part/partial?
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3488 on: October 20, 2020, 02:48:49 PM »
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« Reply #3489 on: October 20, 2020, 02:52:08 PM »
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Who here has Law Enforcement "credentials" ......... can a illegal immigrant solve a case or a housewife?

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Im lost. Is this now Emigration? I thought this was a DB Cooper forum!?


it's a reference showing unqualified people solving crimes...(housewife/peasant)
 

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« Reply #3490 on: October 20, 2020, 02:55:04 PM »
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Nope, I believe I've seen it. the known flight path is not that close to the placard find..3 miles east or so if I recall..
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« Reply #3491 on: October 20, 2020, 03:01:21 PM »
Here is the relevant link to Tom's site:

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"The placard was recovered at the location shown in Figure 2 which is near Toutle, and 20 miles north of the Ariel Washington jump zone. This location is almost directly under the FBI flight path. Giving the placard a free fall time of nine minutes and a south west cross wind of 18 knots, then the plane would have to been 2.68 miles from where the placard was recovered and 2.6 miles west of V23 [6]. This distance is well within the official 8 mile width for the Victor airway and is 4 miles east of the theoretical Tena Bar flight path. This data places a constraint on the planes position approximately six minutes before the jump and suggests flight #305 was on the original FBI flight path."
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3492 on: October 20, 2020, 03:04:39 PM »
it's not correct...or he is showing where the plane is to the placard...I forgot but it's misleading..you should know that?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3493 on: October 20, 2020, 03:10:55 PM »
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Here is the relevant link to Tom's site:

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"The placard was recovered at the location shown in Figure 2 which is near Toutle, and 20 miles north of the Ariel Washington jump zone. This location is almost directly under the FBI flight path. Giving the placard a free fall time of nine minutes and a south west cross wind of 18 knots, then the plane would have to been 2.68 miles from where the placard was recovered and 2.6 miles west of V23 [6]. This distance is well within the official 8 mile width for the Victor airway and is 4 miles east of the theoretical Tena Bar flight path. This data places a constraint on the planes position approximately six minutes before the jump and suggests flight #305 was on the original FBI flight path."

NOTE: The 2.68 miles was derived from R99's original placard drift analysis. However, the data he used for the size and weight of the placard was incorrect, plus the wind speed data was also incorrect.

Later, I bought an actual placard and refined the size and weight specs and provided them to R99 for an updated placard drift analysis. Additionally, Tom Kaye got weather data from NOAA through a colleague, as I recall, which R99 also factored into the updated analysis.

This updated analysis put the placard drift at approximately 8 miles to the northeast. This is a very big problem for the FBI Flight Path.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3494 on: October 20, 2020, 03:21:54 PM »
It's pretty simple to get the coords from the path and you can get a close range of where they show the plane in that area. it's not west of the path. my concerns have always been a placard on the ground for almost 8 years. the other problem is the damage to it. this had to have been prior to exit since you claim it didn't move or get grown over in dense foliage. it's inconclusive. that's all I'm saying. it's not a gotcha theory nor do I believe it can prove anything. it will also drift much different.