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Re: Dick Lepsy (missing person)
« Reply #195 on: November 29, 2015, 09:56:49 PM »
It's being pickup on multiple avenues...



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Has the link to this site been given out? lots of IP's looking at the Lespy thread...
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Re: Dick Lepsy (missing person)
« Reply #196 on: November 29, 2015, 10:17:46 PM »
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Ross, can you walk us through November 24, 1971 in the Lepsy household? Lisa and her sisters are watching Walter Cronkite and when the DB Cooper sketch comes up they start shouting, "That's Daddy!.

Then what?

Mom calls the cops and inquires about her husband and DB Cooper? Mom curls back into a ball? Kids tell a friend or neighbor?

Grayling cops make a call? Eat another donut? Don't make any connection between Lepsy and Cooper?
My understanding is this took place a few years later.  Just her and a brother or two  saw it.  They did not bring it to their mother's attention because they thought this information would affect her negatively.  Mind you, they didn't jump around yelling "My dad's D.B.Cooper!"  They did see a strong resemblance though.
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« Reply #197 on: November 30, 2015, 12:53:44 AM »
Just to get my two bits in again and with no offense to anyone, in my opinion, if Cooper is ever identified, his name will be a complete unknown to everyone on this forum.

I must also admit that I am highly committed to the theory that Cooper was no longer breathing after about 8:20 PM PST on November 24, 1971. 
 

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« Reply #198 on: November 30, 2015, 01:15:07 AM »
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...I believe Lepsy is the best Cooper suspect out there right now.  As for back engineering his story, we may never be able to do that.  But proving Lepsy’s knowledge of 727s and skydiving is irrelevant since we don’t know Cooper’s knowledge of these things.  We can guess and state our opinions, but we really don’t know.


Wow.

That sounds downright evasive, Nimi. Cooper's knowledge of 727s and skydiving is "irrelevant" and unknowable?

Yagottabekiddingme.
 

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Re: Dick Lepsy (missing person)
« Reply #199 on: November 30, 2015, 01:21:14 AM »
Play the New DB Cooper Game!

Test Your Powers of Deduction! Evaluate DB Cooper's knowledge of 727s and skydiving vs Leading Suspects:

1. Who knew more about the 727, its aft stairs, and flight performance. Rank in order of proven or displayed  knowledge:

          A. Bill Rataczak
          B. Dan Cooper
          C. Tina Mucklow
          D. Dick Lepsy
          E. Paul Soderlind
          F. Bobby Blevins


2. Who knew more about skydiving in the PNW in November at 8 pm over the Cascadian foothills in the rain:

          A. Earl Cossey
          B. Dan Cooper
          C. Norman Hayden
          D. Ralph Hatley
          E. Ted Braden
          F. 377
          G. Dick Lepsy
          H. Ted Mayfield


3. Who had the greatest aggregate levels of skills to successfully steal an airplane:

          A. Duane Weber
          B. Dick Lepsy
          C. Dan Cooper
          D. Robb Heady
          E. Martin McNally
          F. Paul Cini
          G. Freddie Hahnemann

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« Reply #200 on: November 30, 2015, 08:29:48 AM »
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Just to get my two bits in again and with no offense to anyone, in my opinion, if Cooper is ever identified, his name will be a complete unknown to everyone on this forum.

I must also admit that I am highly committed to the theory that Cooper was no longer breathing after about 8:20 PM PST on November 24, 1971.

I would agree with that. The first part especially.
 

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Re: Dick Lepsy (missing person)
« Reply #201 on: November 30, 2015, 08:48:21 AM »
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Just to get my two bits in again and with no offense to anyone, in my opinion, if Cooper is ever identified, his name will be a complete unknown to everyone on this forum.

I must also admit that I am highly committed to the theory that Cooper was no longer breathing after about 8:20 PM PST on November 24, 1971.
It seems very important to the people here that this mystery is solved on their own terms.  To me it's pretty simple.  If Cooper didn't survive the jump then people fitting the eyewitness description that haven't been seen since Thanksgiving Eve 1971 should be looked at.  There are very, very few people in this category, so it shouldn't be too hard.  If you look at someone in this category and your gut tells you "No", then ask yourself "Why?"  If your answer is "I feel like it isn't him" or "It just couldn't be him" without any facts to back it up, then stand in front of a mirror, take a good look, and ask yourself: "What mysteries have I solved?  What cold cases have I cracked?".
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Re: Dick Lepsy (missing person)
« Reply #202 on: November 30, 2015, 09:15:14 AM »
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...I believe Lepsy is the best Cooper suspect out there right now.  As for back engineering his story, we may never be able to do that.  But proving Lepsy’s knowledge of 727s and skydiving is irrelevant since we don’t know Cooper’s knowledge of these things.  We can guess and state our opinions, but we really don’t know.


Wow.

That sounds downright evasive, Nimi. Cooper's knowledge of 727s and skydiving is "irrelevant" and unknowable?

Yagottabekiddingme.
If you can't comprehend my statement above, Bruce, then I wonder what else you might be getting wrong about this case.  Please reread my statement and think about it a bit.
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Re: Dick Lepsy (missing person)
« Reply #203 on: November 30, 2015, 11:12:30 AM »
This business card now becomes a discussion-point in this case.
Who were the "Men in Black" who ambushed and interrogated Lisa Lepsy about her father, in her Tennessee home, in 1993 (24 years after Dick Lepsy's disappearance)?
 

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« Reply #204 on: November 30, 2015, 11:35:26 AM »
Here's a document that I didn't include in the WZZM TV story or on the WZZM web story.

Lisa Lepsy gave this paperwork to me the day I interviewed her for the WZZM story.
This is a copy of an official document which, Lisa says, is the closest thing she has to a death certificate for Robert Richard Lepsy.

A probate court document from Crawford County, Michigan, where Lepsy disappeared from on October 29, 1969.
 

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« Reply #205 on: November 30, 2015, 12:39:42 PM »
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Just to get my two bits in again and with no offense to anyone, in my opinion, if Cooper is ever identified, his name will be a complete unknown to everyone on this forum.

I must also admit that I am highly committed to the theory that Cooper was no longer breathing after about 8:20 PM PST on November 24, 1971.
It seems very important to the people here that this mystery is solved on their own terms.  To me it's pretty simple.  If Cooper didn't survive the jump then people fitting the eyewitness description that haven't been seen since Thanksgiving Eve 1971 should be looked at.  There are very, very few people in this category, so it shouldn't be too hard.  If you look at someone in this category and your gut tells you "No", then ask yourself "Why?"  If your answer is "I feel like it isn't him" or "It just couldn't be him" without any facts to back it up, then stand in front of a mirror, take a good look, and ask yourself: "What mysteries have I solved?  What cold cases have I cracked?".

I understand what you are getting at in your comments.  Your first sentence applies to me, you, and everyone else.

My "terms" for solving this mystery, at this point in time, are that we must start at the end (essentially meaning Tina Bar) and work backwards from there.  That is why accurately determining the flight path of the airliner is necessary.  At this time, there are only two irrefutable "facts" (in the public domain) connected to the flight path.  They are the money location at Tina Bar and the location where the placard was found.  The rest is commentary.

I see absolutely no way that you can start with a Cooper "candidate" and conclusively prove that he/she was Cooper.  Even DNA would be a long shot.  At best, you might be able to come up with a "possibility" that a particular person was Cooper.  The rest is 20+ books and counting, who knows how many TV "documentaries", endless speculations in the media, etc..

Let me add that not all theories are created equal or should be given equal standing.  And what constitutes a "fact", and its meaning, differs among individuals.

Additionally, I understand that there are tens of thousands of missing people.
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« Reply #206 on: November 30, 2015, 12:51:58 PM »
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Play the New DB Cooper Game!

Test Your Powers of Deduction! Evaluate DB Cooper's knowledge of 727s and skydiving vs Leading Suspects:

1. Who knew more about the 727, its aft stairs, and flight performance. Rank in order of proven or displayed  knowledge:

          A. Bill Rataczak
          B. Dan Cooper
          C. Tina Mucklow
          D. Dick Lepsy
          E. Paul Soderlind
          F. Bobby Blevins


2. Who knew more about skydiving in the PNW in November at 8 pm over the Cascadian foothills in the rain:

          A. Earl Cossey
          B. Dan Cooper
          C. Norman Hayden
          D. Ralph Hatley
          E. Ted Braden
          F. 377
          G. Dick Lepsy
          H. Ted Mayfield


3. Who had the greatest aggregate levels of skills to successfully steal an airplane:

          A. Duane Weber
          B. Dick Lepsy
          C. Dan Cooper
          D. Robb Heady
          E. Martin McNally
          F. Paul Cini
          G. Freddie Hahnemann

The answer for number 1, above, would be Dan Cooper.  You list three rating factors.  Of the people you mentioned, he was the only one who knew that the aft stairs could be lowered in flight on the 727.

The answer for number 2, above, would probably be a tie between Cossey, Hatley, and Mayfield.  They were experienced skydivers who lived in the PNW.

The answer for number 3, above, would probably be either "none" or a seven-way "tie".  Basically, they just got lucky (if that is the correct word to use).
 

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Re: Dick Lepsy (missing person)
« Reply #207 on: November 30, 2015, 02:18:50 PM »
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Play the New DB Cooper Game!

Test Your Powers of Deduction! Evaluate DB Cooper's knowledge of 727s and skydiving vs Leading Suspects:

1. Who knew more about the 727, its aft stairs, and flight performance. Rank in order of proven or displayed  knowledge:

          A. Bill Rataczak
          B. Dan Cooper
          C. Tina Mucklow
          D. Dick Lepsy
          E. Paul Soderlind
          F. Bobby Blevins


2. Who knew more about skydiving in the PNW in November at 8 pm over the Cascadian foothills in the rain:

          A. Earl Cossey
          B. Dan Cooper
          C. Norman Hayden
          D. Ralph Hatley
          E. Ted Braden
          F. 377
          G. Dick Lepsy
          H. Ted Mayfield


3. Who had the greatest aggregate levels of skills to successfully steal an airplane:

          A. Duane Weber
          B. Dick Lepsy
          C. Dan Cooper
          D. Robb Heady
          E. Martin McNally
          F. Paul Cini
          G. Freddie Hahnemann

The answer for number 1, above, would be Dan Cooper.  You list three rating factors.  Of the people you mentioned, he was the only one who knew that the aft stairs could be lowered in flight on the 727.

The answer for number 2, above, would probably be a tie between Cossey, Hatley, and Mayfield.  They were experienced skydivers who lived in the PNW.

The answer for number 3, above, would probably be either "none" or a seven-way "tie".  Basically, they just got lucky (if that is the correct word to use).

First, these are not the kinds of questions i would ask. Even if answered, what does it get us?

(1)E ...  (2) A, D, H ...  (3) a meaningless question because other factors are involved in 'success'.

 
 

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« Reply #208 on: November 30, 2015, 03:35:13 PM »
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If you can't comprehend my statement above, Bruce, then I wonder what else you might be getting wrong about this case.  Please reread my statement and think about it a bit.

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...I believe Lepsy is the best Cooper suspect out there right now.  As for back engineering his story, we may never be able to do that.  But proving Lepsy’s knowledge of 727s and skydiving is irrelevant since we don’t know Cooper’s knowledge of these things.  We can guess and state our opinions, but we really don’t know.


So, Everything is Just an Opinion?

None of us - ever - develop the ability to discern? Sift, sort and evaluate?

All we have is the Never-Ending Stream of Opinion?

Until we get to facts, of course. But then, what exactly is a fact? R99 says only two exist in Norjak - the T-Bar money and the laminate, which an elk hunter says he found in 1975, so that's not exactly an exact fact. Although Boeing does says that Flight 305 was missing its laminate when it came in for repairs, so it could be a real Norjak fact.

So, this is really a discussion about soft facts - how do we interpret information? How do we weigh data? For instance: When did Lisa Lepsy shout out "That's Daddy?" November 24, 1971, or several years later? And what does it mean? Is there any substantive difference?

And do the opinions of different people mean different things? For instance, is your opinion greater than mine since you have cracked cases by the dozen, whereas all I do is bitch about the FBI? How about you and Brent Ashcroft? Whose opinion carries greater weight on Dick Lepsy?
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« Reply #209 on: November 30, 2015, 03:39:34 PM »
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The answer for number 3, above, would probably be either "none" or a seven-way "tie".  Basically, they just got lucky (if that is the correct word to use).


Robb Heady and Paul Cini were equally qualified to jack a plane? Really? Whatchasmokinboy?
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