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Not too hard to beat Reca with his absurd claim about where he landed. Sheridan has never claimed to be Cooper, quite the contrary. He has opined that Cooper was "stupid" and that he died in the jump. He even thinks he knows where Cooper's body ended up which interestingly also conflicts with the generally accepted flight path data.

Sheridan has written a moving book, The Idiots Frightful Laughter which I have read at least part of. There may be a subsequent part that I have not yet seen. A skillful and gifted screenwriter and director could craft a very interesting movie based on the book, which is about the Vietnam war and I think also about Sheridan's life. The DB Cooper aura and possibilities could create some cool atmospherics. It could have shades of Apocalypse Now. Instead of surfing in a war zone you could have skydiving, which really occurred. If Cooper's grudge came out of war crime horrors he witnessed in Vietnam, how lucky we were that it manifested itself in a no injury money heist rather than a murderous revenge.

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Would you care to amplify on the first paragraph above?

Also, do you have the dates for Sheridan's employment at Boeing and the building that he worked in?

He was a technical editor in Org 2-5000. Started Boeing in May 1962. Left 1965.

Was Org2-5000 located at Boeing Field, the same location as the Museum of Flight?  Or was it located at another site.

The test flying on the Boeing 727 was done in the time frame you listed for SP's employment at Boeing.  It is my guess at this point (no solid proof yet) that the FAA required at least a demonstration of the 727's capabilities to takeoff and land with the aft stairs "floating" down but unlocked for certification.  This demonstration could be done in one flight.  Anyone witnessing this takeoff and landing would know, as Cooper claimed to know, that the 727 could takeoff with the aft stairs down (but not locked).

Building 9-101

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I think Sheridan Peterson is a good suspect. I would love to know about the DNA tests that were done. They need to find those cigarette butts, or try some of the Cooper hair samples. I think that a deceased member of this forum would be happy that his suspect is being mentioned and investigated further by somebody.

talking about Peterson is going backwards... Mucklow eliminated him....  hes as white as a slice of bread, with beaming blue eyes (yes, I know, they had brown contacts back then)

I don't believe Mucklow had eliminated him. Actually he has olive skin.

Basically I agree.

Why do you say the Tina Bar money is a red herring? You think it was a plant?
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Georger: I absolutely do not think the Tena Bar money was a plant.  I think it just ended up there.  Probably fell out of his pocket during the jump or was scattered on landing.  DB Cooper was not a detective, and he didn't write crime novels.  I just don't see him planting money there.  But, it's possible.  I personally think he got out of the area as soon as possible.  I'd really like to see someone track down a $20, because I think that someone had to have spent some of the money.  But all of that is for curiosity.

Without starting a series of back and forth comments, here is where I was coming from.  There is a concept in statistics/analysis called Design of Experiments (some of you could probably teach a class on it).  Within that is a concept called blocking.  Essentially, when doing an analysis, you block out one variable, and see what the results are without that variable.  I'm advocating "blocking" the money at Tena Bar. Take it out of all the analysis.  Then see what happens.  We know it was his money, we know it left the plane, we know it landed.  Leave it at that.  Analyze the case without it.  I'd block Boeing, and Special Ops too.

We know the FBI used technology.  We know that technology has advanced (DNA, electron microscopes).  However, was there ever a full blown analysis of the case?  Design of experiments? What if's? Removing bias? All of it.  The Navy SEAL's killed Bin Laden, but it was an analyst who found him.  I'd rather jump from a 727 than do the analysis, but I know the concept works.

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Basically I agree.

Why do you say the Tina Bar money is a red herring? You think it was a plant?

Georger: I absolutely do not think the Tena Bar money was a plant.  I think it just ended up there.  Probably fell out of his pocket during the jump or was scattered on landing.  DB Cooper was not a detective, and he didn't write crime novels.  I just don't see him planting money there.  But, it's possible.  I personally think he got out of the area as soon as possible.  I'd really like to see someone track down a $20, because I think that someone had to have spent some of the money.  But all of that is for curiosity.

Without starting a series of back and forth comments, here is where I was coming from.  There is a concept in statistics/analysis called Design of Experiments (some of you could probably teach a class on it).  Within that is a concept called blocking.  Essentially, when doing an analysis, you block out one variable, and see what the results are without that variable.  I'm advocating "blocking" the money at Tena Bar. Take it out of all the analysis.  Then see what happens.  We know it was his money, we know it left the plane, we know it landed.  Leave it at that.  Analyze the case without it.  I'd block Boeing, and Special Ops too.

We know the FBI used technology.  We know that technology has advanced (DNA, electron microscopes).  However, was there ever a full blown analysis of the case?  Design of experiments? What if's? Removing bias? All of it.  The Navy SEAL's killed Bin Laden, but it was an analyst who found him.  I'd rather jump from a 727 than do the analysis, but I know the concept works.
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wow! I couldnt agree more, with just about everything you say. Problem is we cant get to the data to do an analysis, or any kind! Prints, dna, etc. The money analysis (that could be done) doesn't go very deep. But I agree with your point of view! Thanks! 

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MEYDC wrote: "I think that a deceased member of this forum would be happy that his suspect is being mentioned and investigated further by somebody."

Sailshaw would be delighted, for sure. When I met him in person he couldn't understand why I thought for one second that Peterson might not be Cooper. To him it was a slam dunk. Zero doubt.

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To be honest, I've never been able to eliminate Sheridan. And I LOVE the guy. But I keep coming back to him. If it was him, I think the reasons for not confessing could be both a sense of guilt about the affected crew, and the fact that he has heirs. If it's not him, though, someone should still do a story about his life. What a life.

Sheridan Petersen ranks low on my list of suspects, not eliminated.. KC and Reca don't even make the list. There are probably thousands of suspects known and unknown that can be made to fit with circumstantial evidence. Some are just better than others..


Problems I have with SP..

Cooper - Latin/Mexican swarthy, marcelled "Nixon" like hair.

Cooper - needed instructions for rear stairs and then had trouble lowering them. Shows lack of knowledge/competence.

Cooper had jump experience but wasn't a top flight jumper. SP was TOO experienced.

SP was a high profile suspect, DNA was taken. DO we know it wasn't compared or just unconfirmed.

No clear exposure to tie environment.

and the totality of the circumstantial evidence that exists for SP is generally weak.



Until the FBI puts some dude on that plane, all we will have is circumstantial evidence.. some better than others.

I actually feel the reasons for eliminating Sheridan are far flimsier than the circumstantial evidence against him. Shaky alibi? Check.  Anyone missing him in the US at that time? Nope, because he was already abroad (could also be significant for laundering purposes - I'm pretty sure, say, Nepalese tellers were not all over the DBC hunt).

The swarthy complexion means - nothing, nothing, nothing. After 2 days in Thailand, I was dark as a coffee bean, and I never tanned a day before in my life with so much Irish blood I look like a mashed potato. After 5-6 years in Southeast Asia, SP HAD to be dark. I've lived in Asian. You will tan. You will burn. You will, if as fair as I, be sick as a dog first.

Marcelled hair, my ass. There, I've said it. That description comes from ONE witness who couldn't even correctly identify which FA sat next to DBC through most of the flight. Paint shop or no, I take everything that particular witness says with a massive dose of salt. I do think the outfit was probably a mismatched combo of black and brown, based on the Mitchell and Mucklow descriptions. Hair is the least consistent item in the witness descriptions.

Needed stair instructions - meh. Probably more familiar with the military model than the
civilian, or just never had to open the door himself before. Didn't need parachute instructions, though = not his first rodeo. I also don't see any evidence that Cooper wasn't a top jumper. "Too experienced" is not a problem for me. Besides, he could also be attempting to hide expertise, after already revealing he didn't need jump instructions, recognizing Portland from the air, and revealing he knew the oxygen location.

According to EU, two other suspects were CLEARED, but SP was not, exactly. They couldn't prove he was aboard, but their DNA is incomplete and not even surely Cooper's. Just because they can't convict him doesn't prove he didn't do it.

Exposure to tie environment - well, presuming (and we can't really presume this) the 3-yr-old tie wasn't purchased at the Portland Sally Ann on Nov 23, and was even Cooper's tie - the one element not explained by SP's background was a common element. It was probably on my dad's clothes - he repaired TVs and always had a half-dozen around with their tubes exposed. MY clothes could have contained that element.

I love Sheridan. But nothing has convinced me to eliminate him - except an eye colour confirmed by one (very much in shock) witness, who changed her story about when he donned the glasses in her interviews. Ditto Gossett, though with him I am concerned about alibi. I'm not very clear on whether his whereabouts for Nov 24 can be verified. (I also do not eliminate the possibility of Cooper's death; the story of the woman with the missing dad is compelling). Most suspects I have far less trouble eliminating. Which is not to say that ANY of the people named thus far did it.

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Sheridan Petersen ranks low on my list of suspects, not eliminated.. KC and Reca don't even make the list. There are probably thousands of suspects known and unknown that can be made to fit with circumstantial evidence. Some are just better than others..


Problems I have with SP..

Cooper - Latin/Mexican swarthy, marcelled "Nixon" like hair.

Cooper - needed instructions for rear stairs and then had trouble lowering them. Shows lack of knowledge/competence.

Cooper had jump experience but wasn't a top flight jumper. SP was TOO experienced.

SP was a high profile suspect, DNA was taken. DO we know it wasn't compared or just unconfirmed.

No clear exposure to tie environment.

and the totality of the circumstantial evidence that exists for SP is generally weak.



Until the FBI puts some dude on that plane, all we will have is circumstantial evidence.. some better than others.

I actually feel the reasons for eliminating Sheridan are far flimsier than the circumstantial evidence against him. Shaky alibi? Check.  Anyone missing him in the US at that time? Nope, because he was already abroad (could also be significant for laundering purposes - I'm pretty sure, say, Nepalese tellers were not all over the DBC hunt).

The swarthy complexion means - nothing, nothing, nothing. After 2 days in Thailand, I was dark as a coffee bean, and I never tanned a day before in my life with so much Irish blood I look like a mashed potato. After 5-6 years in Southeast Asia, SP HAD to be dark. I've lived in Asian. You will tan. You will burn. You will, if as fair as I, be sick as a dog first.

Marcelled hair, my ass. There, I've said it. That description comes from ONE witness who couldn't even correctly identify which FA sat next to DBC through most of the flight. Paint shop or no, I take everything that particular witness says with a massive dose of salt. I do think the outfit was probably a mismatched combo of black and brown, based on the Mitchell and Mucklow descriptions. Hair is the least consistent item in the witness descriptions.

Needed stair instructions - meh. Probably more familiar with the military model than the
civilian, or just never had to open the door himself before. Didn't need parachute instructions, though = not his first rodeo. I also don't see any evidence that Cooper wasn't a top jumper. "Too experienced" is not a problem for me. Besides, he could also be attempting to hide expertise, after already revealing he didn't need jump instructions, recognizing Portland from the air, and revealing he knew the oxygen location.

According to EU, two other suspects were CLEARED, but SP was not, exactly. They couldn't prove he was aboard, but their DNA is incomplete and not even surely Cooper's. Just because they can't convict him doesn't prove he didn't do it.

Exposure to tie environment - well, presuming (and we can't really presume this) the 3-yr-old tie wasn't purchased at the Portland Sally Ann on Nov 23, and was even Cooper's tie - the one element not explained by SP's background was a common element. It was probably on my dad's clothes - he repaired TVs and always had a half-dozen around with their tubes exposed. MY clothes could have contained that element.

I love Sheridan. But nothing has convinced me to eliminate him - except an eye colour confirmed by one (very much in shock) witness, who changed her story about when he donned the glasses in her interviews. Ditto Gossett, though with him I am concerned about alibi. I'm not very clear on whether his whereabouts for Nov 24 can be verified. (I also do not eliminate the possibility of Cooper's death; the story of the woman with the missing dad is compelling). Most suspects I have far less trouble eliminating. Which is not to say that ANY of the people named thus far did it.

As I started digging into Sheridan I determined two things had to be explored and reasonably well answered, otherwise, Sheridan may not be Cooper.

First, the DNA as I've mentioned in previous posts actually incriminates Sheridan given the FBI's silence on clarifying his results...unlike the only other compared suspects, Weber and LD. This is a fact.

Second, the eye color is very suspect per the following facts. Flo was the only flight attendant to see him without sunglasses, this at the very beginning when he handed her the note. About the time she sat down next to him he dawned dark sunglasses for the rest of the event. As anyone who has flown knows, aircraft are not particularly well lit which can make ascertaining true eye color difficult. Also, FBI files state that when discussing his eyes with a sketch artist Flo couldn't be certain. In fact, later FBI descriptions of Cooper state "possibly brown" as his eye color, not exactly a lot of certainty there. These facts indicate that the FBI really isn't sure what color his eyes were. It would be foolish to assume Cooper's eye color was brown, there is simply no proof to back that up.

Finally, we know as a fact Sheridan wasn't precluded from the FBI following up 30+ years later to gather DNA, blue eyes and all. The results of which, I might add, have never been publicly released. Why?