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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #180 on: July 14, 2021, 08:25:55 PM »
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Commander David Fravor speaks about the UFO's on the Joe Rogan podcast. listening to him makes it hard to try and debunk what they are seeing. it's not just on radar. I find it interesting..can it be explained, possibly.

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"Commander?" Is that his first name?

Oh, wait, he's in the um....what was that again?.....OH RIGHT! The US Navy. The only UFO Gold members with the backstage passes to these encounters.

I don't need to debunk squat. This won't even make Sasquatch in pop medis 20 years from now.
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #181 on: July 31, 2021, 03:08:56 PM »
“Somehow the navy manages to keep all of these objects right in their crosshairs, regardless of how "unbelievably fast" they're moving.”

Good point. I remain VERY skeptical about the Navy videos.

People strain to link events. They make biased mistakes. Noise and clutter on radar screens become confirmed hits on visually sighted UFOs.

I saw concrete examples of this when early F14 radars produced anomalies that looked like target echos. There were no real targets being painted. Yet some pilots linked these internally generated screen pips to visual sightings.

I’ve done the same thing on marine radars. Bad weather, thick fog, lots of sea clutter on the screen. I’m looking for a buoy echo and I think I know where it should be. I “see” it on the screen but it’s not really the buoy. I’m still too far away to get a reflection. But I turn seemingly stationary sea clutter pips
into the buoy echo I’m expecting to see.

I think UFO sightings teach us a lot about how humans perceive and process visual info. I have yet to see any credible evidence that aliens are visiting Earth.

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #182 on: July 31, 2021, 04:15:43 PM »
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“Somehow the navy manages to keep all of these objects right in their crosshairs, regardless of how "unbelievably fast" they're moving.”

Good point. I remain VERY skeptical about the Navy videos.

People strain to link events. They make biased mistakes. Noise and clutter on radar screens become confirmed hits on visually sighted UFOs.

I saw concrete examples of this when early F14 radars produced anomalies that looked like target echos. There were no real targets being painted. Yet some pilots linked these internally generated screen pips to visual sightings.

I’ve done the same thing on marine radars. Bad weather, thick fog, lots of sea clutter on the screen. I’m looking for a buoy echo and I think I know where it should be. I “see” it on the screen but it’s not really the buoy. I’m still too far away to get a reflection. But I turn seemingly stationary sea clutter pips
into the buoy echo I’m expecting to see.

I think UFO sightings teach us a lot about how humans perceive and process visual info. I have yet to see any credible evidence that aliens are visiting Earth.

377

Strange how the shapes of the ufos are exactly the same shapes as the iris holes and other components is these electro-optical-mechanical systems. I wonder why!  :rofl:
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #183 on: August 02, 2021, 06:54:03 AM »
I hope your big conference is NO WHERE NEAR DOWNTOWN PORTLAND!!!!  Its become a place no law abiding citizen dares to to.  Murders up 700%.  No way will you catch me there
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #184 on: August 07, 2021, 03:00:52 AM »
I was just in Portland, yesterday. It's fine.
 
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #185 on: August 07, 2021, 10:04:58 AM »
I watched the show and I was surprised the water at Tena Bar is so high now and the entire area where they found the money is under water?  I hear all of these problems with fires out West and they are still raging, many in CA.  So I am really surprised at the water level.  After hitting the area with the shovel underwater it sure does not look as if Cooper buried the bomb, fake or real?  What a mystery.  If it was real, no way he would have held on to it during the jump.  He would have just let it go.  Likely before he jumped but he does not seem like the kind of guy that would have wanted to take a chance of injuring or killing innocent civilians.  I would bet the house the bomb was fake.  I guess we will never know unless the money and the old boy himself are somehow hiding out and getting as kick out of this half a century old mystery that has taken very much time, money and recourses from a whole bunch of people, those on the show included.  I really believe the window is still open to find  him alive.  But its closing fast.  Perhaps in the area of 5 years or so.  People are living over 100 more frequently.  As for the guy that is convinced he was Reca, why does he look so different from the sketch's?  I would say Florence's description is closer to Reca but that guy was a on man.  Did many good things, don't get me wrong.  But a con man.  Nice work on the show to Bruce, EU and I hope that someday we find out the truth.  One thing is true.  DB Cooper succeeded if he survived the jump and I believe 100% that he did.
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #186 on: August 08, 2021, 03:37:12 AM »
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I hope your big conference is NO WHERE NEAR DOWNTOWN PORTLAND!!!!  Its become a place no law abiding citizen dares to to.  Murders up 700%.  No way will you catch me there

Conference is 15 miles to the north in downtown Vancouver, WA.
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #187 on: September 08, 2021, 09:44:07 PM »
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Maybe the reason you have never been abducted, Bob, is because the aliens don’t like you either.

Chaucer, that is really cold!  :(

Have you been fornicating with aliens just as Bruce may, or may not, have been doing?
I’ve been married for almost 25 years, so there’s very little fornicating going on at all in my life.

I respect you for your blunt honesty.  Hard to find guys like you these days.  As for Tina Mucklow, I still think she must want to know what happened to the old boy?  She is the only one he would likely be interested in talking to at this stage of the game.  If he is alive. I worry more about him quitting the smokes than him surviving the jump.  He survived the jump.  Gauranteed
If she DOES want to know, she would have the same access - more - than we all do to information. She could see all the photos, hear sound recordings where they exist. If she has done this, she has (a) not come to rest on a particular suspect or (b) has no desire to "dox" DBC. The latter seems unlikely, as she would see him as nothing more than a criminal who held her life in his hands for several hours, however polite he may have been. However, if she wasn't interested in thinking of the case much before but is now, i.e. may be taking a renewed interest, vetting particular suspects through her may be worthwhile if she's game.

However, I can't cross the border atm, not that I'd know where to find Tina, and would not knock at her door if I did. I could at best mail her a nice letter/email asking some questions about particular suspects, maybe humbly gift her a free book, but that would be as far as I would go even if she lived nearby. And I would not have any particularly high hopes of an answer, given that I'm clearly a longtime Cooperite, not a journalist on a story, but you never know.

It's different for women. And I say that as a straight, happily hitched for 25 years woman with tons of close male friends. I don't know if Tina lives alone, but unexpected knocks can be frightening (especially if you've been through trauma), strangers at your door more so, men even more so, particularly if they could be of the merely historically curious OR hopelessly obsessed variety. I freely admit to being unusually fascinated by this case (and two others, William Desmond Taylor and the less deadly Max Headroom Incident) but not enough to forget that the survivors of the DBC skyjacking are as real as I am and deserve the same respect and privacy I would want. They didn't choose their fame and it's up to them how much of it they want to revisit.

As for Coopercon itself, I wish I could be there, especially for the 50th, I'd even have a little book table of my own if permitted, but we've been hit hard here by the Covid shutdowns and are just getting afloat again. Would love it if some of the events were virtual or could be taped for posterity. As far as Tina speaking, I think it's remotely possible in that she has given more interviews of late, but she seems still very private, public speaking is not everyone's bag, and in her place I would want some assurance of security and some rules of etiquette in place for people wanting to ask questions. Just my two cents.

PS EU, if you do talk to her and she's not comfortable being there in person, maybe a reddit-style AMA or a Zoom/Google meeting might be acceptable? Worth an ask and would still be a huge event in Cooperland.
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #188 on: September 09, 2021, 02:38:56 AM »
Lynn, a couple of things.

1. If you would like me to sell any of your books, I would be happy to do so. Just send me a box of them. I've been doing that for Marty for the past couple of Cons.

2. Tina is clearly more comfortable with women. I know of several who have spoken with her and developed some degree of rapport in discussing Cooper. Allison Berg of LMNO got the ball rolling in 2016 for the History Channel, and Andrea Marks did the big piece on Tina for the Rolling Stone in January 2021. There are others, more in the shadows. If you are serious about contacting Tina, give me a call.
 
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #189 on: September 09, 2021, 02:20:15 PM »
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Lynn, a couple of things.

1. If you would like me to sell any of your books, I would be happy to do so. Just send me a box of them. I've been doing that for Marty for the past couple of Cons.

2. Tina is clearly more comfortable with women. I know of several who have spoken with her and developed some degree of rapport in discussing Cooper. Allison Berg of LMNO got the ball rolling in 2016 for the History Channel, and Andrea Marks did the big piece on Tina for the Rolling Stone in January 2021. There are others, more in the shadows. If you are serious about contacting Tina, give me a call.

Lynn, is your book on the murder now in print?
 
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #190 on: September 09, 2021, 08:43:00 PM »
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Lynn, a couple of things.

1. If you would like me to sell any of your books, I would be happy to do so. Just send me a box of them. I've been doing that for Marty for the past couple of Cons.

2. Tina is clearly more comfortable with women. I know of several who have spoken with her and developed some degree of rapport in discussing Cooper. Allison Berg of LMNO got the ball rolling in 2016 for the History Channel, and Andrea Marks did the big piece on Tina for the Rolling Stone in January 2021. There are others, more in the shadows. If you are serious about contacting Tina, give me a call.

Lynn, is your book on the murder now in print?
  Hello, Bruce and Robert - 1) Bruce, thank you so much for the offer. I'll contact my publisher about getting some sent. I'm not sure what a typical number of books would be for the event, but just let me know. 2) Just drop me an email, you have my address, with your current number. I'll give you a call. But the conference is EU's baby so however he would prefer to approach is fine by me. 3) Robert, thank you for your review again and for your interest in the second book. It took a lot of research and delays due to changing work demands but it's been sent to the editor. It still needs some major revision but I have a lot more energy for that than I did a few months ago - life is slowly normalizing here, knock wood. The WDT murder has really become another rabbit hole - and all research on the case ever hindered by the prevalence of "yellow" Hearst newspapers of the age, which was the early form of today's viral but inaccurate memes. We've been trying to stick with official statements and documents where they can be found and verify other things - some falsehoods, as with DBC, have long been taken as fact. And, similarly, ALL the police documents/evidence related to the case has disappeared or been destroyed, according to their own statements. Some real case devotees there, too - and I've had the privilege of speaking online with Mabel Normand"s nephew! Will let you know when it drops. :)
 
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #191 on: September 22, 2021, 02:00:32 PM »
So will there be any type of streamable video's on YouTube from this conference?  Being in the East, not any chance I could go even if I could get a ticket it being Thanksgiving and all.  And my daughter is expecting a baby just before.  I hope you guys make some progress.  Maybe some smoking gun pops up or maybe Tina or Flo show up?  Some of the money or the bomb would surely help.  They are out there somewhere.
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #192 on: September 22, 2021, 04:22:55 PM »
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So will there be any type of streamable video's on YouTube from this conference?  Being in the East, not any chance I could go even if I could get a ticket it being Thanksgiving and all.  And my daughter is expecting a baby just before.  I hope you guys make some progress.  Maybe some smoking gun pops up or maybe Tina or Flo show up?  Some of the money or the bomb would surely help.  They are out there somewhere.
As it stands right now, I have no plans to stream CC21 live. However, I may Facebook Live a couple of sessions, and the plan is to film it and make that available along the lines of what we did for CooperCon 2018.

Ticket sales are very strong and will sell out in advance. Plus for this year I’ve arranged a DB Cooper Air Tour using multiple Cessna airplanes to bring people over the FBI search area, Merwin Dam, the law enforcement staging area in Woodland, Tena Bar, and PDX. The air tour is 45-minutes and is down to only two tickets left.

CC21 will be spectacular this year.
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #193 on: September 22, 2021, 04:23:13 PM »
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So will there be any type of streamable video's on YouTube from this conference?  Being in the East, not any chance I could go even if I could get a ticket it being Thanksgiving and all.  And my daughter is expecting a baby just before.  I hope you guys make some progress.  Maybe some smoking gun pops up or maybe Tina or Flo show up?  Some of the money or the bomb would surely help.  They are out there somewhere.

Was wondering the same thing. Would be nice to see/hear Kaye's speech. In an OPEN PUBLIC FORUM OR WEBSITE! Like Youtube ? What good are closed conferences - public? What does Marla have to do with any Cooper conference ? Or the Formans ? 

How can it be a Public Event if its secret ?   
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #194 on: October 08, 2021, 08:44:47 AM »
I am sure someone has answered this question somewhere in here?  But would Cooper not have anything to worry about now if he were alive due to the statute of limitations?  After all, he did not murder anyone.?  Anyone know?