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Offline dudeman17

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #105 on: March 26, 2021, 05:27:21 PM »
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Note that the object is essentially stationary with respect to the camera.  This is not the way things would happen in real life.  I suspect there is a gremlin somewhere in the system.  But if the pilot saw this object by just looking out the canopy at the same time it was being recorded, then that adds tremendous credibility to the story.  If the pilot saw the object only thru his gun sight at the same time it was being filmed, then the problem is going to be somewhere in the system.

Um...  The camera locks on to the object and tracks it automatically. You can literally watch that process happen in the very video you reposted.

Did the pilot see the same thing and if so was he looking at it through his gun sight or out the cockpit window?

In the segments with audio, they sound like they're watching the same thing. How they're looking at it I don't know, not sure how that would affect what the camera is doing. In the second segment, the guy reacts when the camera successfully locks on. My guess would be that he saw it through the window, then manipulated the camera to make it lock on.

I'm not saying that I believe in UFO's. My take on UFO's is the same as my take on Bigfoot or the details of the Cooper case: I don't know.
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #106 on: March 26, 2021, 05:40:21 PM »
Odds are they had visual as well as radar contacts. this was something going on for 10 weeks. they claim it cloaks and speak about crystal clear days. natural things wouldn't fly along with you or not permit you to get close.

I have no idea what it is either but it's not something easily dismissed.
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #107 on: March 26, 2021, 07:10:06 PM »
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Note that the object is essentially stationary with respect to the camera.  This is not the way things would happen in real life.  I suspect there is a gremlin somewhere in the system.  But if the pilot saw this object by just looking out the canopy at the same time it was being recorded, then that adds tremendous credibility to the story.  If the pilot saw the object only thru his gun sight at the same time it was being filmed, then the problem is going to be somewhere in the system.

Um...  The camera locks on to the object and tracks it automatically. You can literally watch that process happen in the very video you reposted.

Did the pilot see the same thing and if so was he looking at it through his gun sight or out the cockpit window?

In the segments with audio, they sound like they're watching the same thing. How they're looking at it I don't know, not sure how that would affect what the camera is doing. In the second segment, the guy reacts when the camera successfully locks on. My guess would be that he saw it through the window, then manipulated the camera to make it lock on.

I'm not saying that I believe in UFO's. My take on UFO's is the same as my take on Bigfoot or the details of the Cooper case: I don't know.

The display indicates that whatever the camera saw had quite a few additions to it before it was displayed to the pilot.  These were modern aircraft that saw these objects and that means there is quite a bit of processing between the raw images and the images displayed in the cockpit.  The pilot simply could not lock onto the object by looking out the window.  He had to be looking at the processed camera display.  This means that there was probably a gremlin somewhere in the system.

The modern computer-controlled naval ships produced a surprise a few years ago.  A large US Navy ship, it may have been an aircraft carrier, was sailing merrily along on the high seas when the propulsion system suddenly shut completely down.  The crew did manage to get underway again but an investigation was made into the cause of the problem.  The investigation included a complete analysis of the computer software that controlled the propulsion system.  The investigators discovered that somewhere in the software, the computer had tried to divide by zero.  Division by zero is not defined and the conditions under which the ship was operating were apparently the first time they had experienced that.
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #108 on: March 26, 2021, 07:54:12 PM »
If the pilots only seen the object through the radar the military would have a easy explanation of what they saw and end the controversy. objects were around battleships in the same area as well.

Files from the Pentagon were released. why go that far if it was so easy to dismiss as a glitch in the system. it sounds like that option is off the table. portion from the pentagon below..

According to the report, one of the pilots dispatched to investigate the object reported seeing a disturbance in the otherwise calm ocean. The pilot reported that the “disturbance appeared to be 50 to 100 meters in diameter and close to round” and “reminded him of images of something rapidly submerging from the surface like a submarine or ship sinking.”

As Dudeman and myself pointed out, we didn't say it was an alien craft. here is what "MIT astrophysicist science" states.

 “what people sometimes don’t get about science is that we often have phenomena that remain unexplained.”

Simply knocking it down as glitches and flares etc. is old school thinking. sometimes it can hide the truth using this logic.
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #109 on: March 26, 2021, 08:05:00 PM »
an unknown, 45-foot long Tic Tac shaped object played cat and mouse with the U.S. Navy off the coast of California. The mighty U.S.S. Nimitz aircraft carrier, and its support ships including the U.S.S. Princeton, carrying the most sophisticated sensor systems in the world, repeatedly detected recurring glimpses of the Tic Tac but were unable to lock on.

On Nov.14, F-18s were ordered into the area and saw it up close. Veteran pilot Dave Fravor, commander of the elite Black Aces unit, says the Tic Tac reacted to the presence of the F-18s then took off like a bullet fired from a gun.

Pentagon report

The report lists the advanced sensors involved at the time, AN/SPY, capable of tracking a golf ball at 100 miles, the E-2C Hawkeye Airborne Early Warning aircraft, as well as shipboard radars and sensors on multiple F-18s which interacted with the Tic Tac, and with something else.

Pilots reported a large disturbance just under the surface of the ocean, round and 100 yards across. It appeared as if the Tic Tac was rendezvousing with the underwater object.

Among the key findings in the report — the AAV is not something that belongs to the U.S. or any other nation. It was so advanced, it rendered U.S. capabilities ineffective. It showed velocities far greater than anything known to exist, and it could turn itself invisible, both to radar and the human eye. Essentially, it was undetectable, and unchallenged.

I'm going to move this topic off of this thread..
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #110 on: March 26, 2021, 09:50:17 PM »
Where's the UFO topic going, Shut?

To me, the argument over whether UFOs are real or not was over a long time ago. I think the real question is two-fold: why do non-believers believe that way, and secondly, what are we UFO believers gonna do about it.

I've come to learn in my 71 years on this planet that people believe what they do because they really need to believe it. Folks may become irksome while doing their believing, but that doesn't really diminish their need.

For me, the UFO believers are divided into two groups: The Tech Guys who investigate the sightings, crashes, close encounters, etc. The Second Group are my people - the abductees.

For those of us who have seen an UFO or been abducted, the argument over "realness" is ridiculous. We know what we saw. We know what happened. We know most folks don't believe us. So, we become selective on who, when and where we share. When people call us crazy we simply walk away. It's the only polite thing to do, really.

So, when the CC22 shifts into PNW Weirdness, I hope we don't get hung up on arguing on the realness of UFOs, Aliens, Biggie, etc., but rather on who saw what and when, and what it all means to us. There lies the true mystery and the utter wonderment of life.
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #111 on: March 26, 2021, 10:34:20 PM »
Two things:

First, I am confirming that Ron and Pat Forman will be taking part in CC21.

Second, Bruce you do not have to wait until CC22; CC21 will feature the "Legends of the Pacific Northwest" panel that will discuss Bigfoot and UFOs.
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #112 on: March 26, 2021, 11:16:54 PM »
Does Bill Rataczak know he's coming to a Bigfoot conference? Mixing the 50th AND Bigfoot sounds pretty risky to me.
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #113 on: March 26, 2021, 11:29:00 PM »
I guess since UFO's will be discussed at the conference the comments can remain here.
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #114 on: March 27, 2021, 05:38:43 PM »
CooperCon 2021 Proposed Discussions and Presentations:

CC21 will run 10AM - 4PM each day, Sat., Nov. 20 and Sun., Nov. 21, 2021. Therefore, I am planning on four one-hour segments not including lunch and transition time each day. The following is a list of the eight segments I've tentatively settled upon. That said, feel free to make some suggestions before the schedule is set--consider that if something new is added, something from this list must be eliminated.

1) Flight Crew Discussion
2) Suspects Discussion
3) Tena Bar Money Discussion
4) Flight Path Discussion
5) Did DB Cooper Survive Discussion
6) Diatom Discovery Presentation
7) Tie Evidence Presentation
8) Other Pacific Northwest Legends Discussion


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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #115 on: March 30, 2021, 12:38:37 PM »
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A former U.S. Navy fighter pilot spoke this month about what he says was an encounter with a “Tic Tac”-shaped UFO and believes the flying object committed an “act of war.”

Retired Cmdr. David Fravor recalled the strange encounter off San Diego 16 years ago in a Sept. 8 podcast with MIT research scientist Lex Fridman.

Fravor says he was dispatched to investigate radar anomalies and later described what he saw as "like nothing I've ever seen" – a Tic Tac-shaped object able to turn on a dime and make itself invisible to radar, New Zealand’s TV Channel 3 reported.

"This is not like, 'we saw it and it was gone', or 'I saw lights in the sky and it's gone' – we watched this thing on a crystal clear day with four trained observers," Fravor said."

"The radar is smart enough that when the signal comes back if it's been messed with, it will tell you – it will give you indications that it's being jammed... It's being jammed into about every mode you can see... You can tell it's being jammed,” he said.

"When you actively jam another platform, that's technically an act of war," Fravor told Fridman.

Fridman called Fravor "one of the most credible witnesses" in the history of UFO research.

Complete nutcase?

He is very credible.  I have seen many of his interviews. 
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #116 on: March 30, 2021, 12:40:27 PM »
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CooperCon 2021 Proposed Discussions and Presentations:

CC21 will run 10AM - 4PM each day, Sat., Nov. 20 and Sun., Nov. 21, 2021. Therefore, I am planning on four one-hour segments not including lunch and transition time each day. The following is a list of the eight segments I've tentatively settled upon. That said, feel free to make some suggestions before the schedule is set--consider that if something new is added, something from this list must be eliminated.

1) Flight Crew Discussion
2) Suspects Discussion
3) Tena Bar Money Discussion
4) Flight Path Discussion
5) Did DB Cooper Survive Discussion
6) Diatom Discovery Presentation
7) Tie Evidence Presentation
8) Other Pacific Northwest Legends Discussion


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Sorry, I did not mean to post over this announcement. I was replying to another discussion.  So please bump the highlighted thread.
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #117 on: April 06, 2021, 02:54:52 PM »
I just spoke with Bill Rataczak and was informed that he does not believe that he will be able to make it to CC21 given the health of his wife. If something changes he will let me know.
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #118 on: April 09, 2021, 12:00:33 AM »
I'm sorry to hear that! Hopefully one of the Flight Attendants, if not all, will agree to attend. I'm always around Vancouver, if you need help.  :chr2:


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I just spoke with Bill Rataczak and was informed that he does not believe that he will be able to make it to CC21 given the health of his wife. If something changes he will let me know.
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #119 on: April 09, 2021, 11:49:03 PM »
Sad news for cc21 and worse for Bill. hopefully, she will recover.

Blevins decided to take advantage of her illness to try and gain points denying any health issues claiming Bill backed out. the guy has no respect...

Rereading his comment does show he believes his wife is ill but still takes advantage of the cause to spew false assumptions..
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