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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6855 on: August 04, 2021, 01:36:32 AM »
      I  can't think of anyone, other than Cooper, who would have any reason to look at the rigging cards. It almost certainly had to have been Cooper that pulled the cards, wouldn't you think?    Shout out to  Flyjack.  Thanks Fly!!!  The scenario you have speculated on concerning the cards makes a lot of sense in my humble opinion.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6856 on: August 04, 2021, 03:06:14 AM »
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Cossey is lying about it all.
This would obviously bring the parachute that Cossey told the FBI wasn't his back into play, correct?

I don't understand the question, Chauc. What parachute did Cossey tell the FBI that it wasn't his?

As I understand the current information, none of Cossey's back chutes were onboard 305.
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Perhaps I am not articulating myself well. There was a parachute found, I believe in Amboy,  and Larry Carr brought Cossey in to verify it. Cossey said it wasn't one of the ones that he delivered.

If Cossey was lying, then it's possible that Amboy chute could still be from Cooper, yes?


True. I guess Cossey is only lying about the back chutes.

The think the so-called Amboy chute has been discounted as Cooper's. But I'd sure like to see it - or at least know where it is, or where it was found.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6857 on: August 04, 2021, 03:11:56 AM »
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...Then he gets on 305 and because he likes to act like he knows everything, he does not need to look at the cards...?


Somebody looked at the cards - at least one, the packing card with the serial number SN 60-9797 written on it. But, somehow during the skyjacking that packing card was transferred from the chute on Cooper's back to someplace on 305, maybe on, in, or near the not-used back chute. Then in Reno, a skydiving expert from the National Guard found it and decided - rightly or not - that it was for the "not-used" chute. Then that card was placed somewhere else, possibly put in an FBI evidence envelope, and eventually made it way somewhere - possibly the FBI FO in Las Vegas - and it may still be there today.

Then in 2021, the packing card known as SN 226 was discovered and photograph in Hayden's "not-used" chute. But packing card SN 60-9797 was not found on that chute.

That's what we know about the packing cards, as far as I know at this point.

My conclusion, and possibly that of Fly Jack as well, is that there were two packing cards for back chutes on 305: SN 226 and SN 60-9797. That means both chutes were Pioneers, both were Hayden's, and Cossey is lying about it all.

The chutes were as described by Cossey in the 302s. There were not two Pioneers delivered to DBC. This all much ado about absolutely nothing.

Not two Pioneers? Then, how do you explain the packing cards?

Also, exactly which chutes as described by Cossey? The "Paradise?," the "ParaCommander?," the "NB-6?," the "NB-8?," or the "Pioneer?"

Coss is a tough guy to nail down sometimes....
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6858 on: August 04, 2021, 09:01:29 AM »
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Not two Pioneers? Then, how do you explain the packing cards?

Also, exactly which chutes as described by Cossey? The "Paradise?," the "ParaCommander?," the "NB-6?," the "NB-8?," or the "Pioneer?"

Coss is a tough guy to nail down sometimes....

The packing cards don't matter. I do not know if "226" is a model number or something else. It sure as hell does not appear to be a serial number given that it's only 3 numbers long. Who knows, but it was written in Cossey's hand--compare how he writes numbers.

Nonetheless, to leap to some kind of nefarious conspiracy theory is where this case always goes sideways.

The 302s clearly mention DBC jumped with a NB 6 packed with a 28' round. Therefore, that's what we should be looking to find.

Moreover, Hayden's former claims regarding Cossey and the FBI are provably false. I'm not going to say he lied, just that Hayden may simply have forgotten the details...after all, it had been 40 years at that point.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6859 on: August 05, 2021, 03:24:27 PM »
Anyone get the photos of the metal thingys Gates magically found at TBar in last nights Expedition Unknown ? Might be from Cooper's brief case.

Presumably found between road and Ingram find which Ulis made a point of saying 'was never searched'.

photo attached - Shutter you still here? 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6860 on: August 05, 2021, 04:22:32 PM »
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Anyone get the photos of the metal thingys Gates magically found at TBar in last nights Expedition Unknown ? Might be from Cooper's brief case.

Presumably found between road and Ingram find which Ulis made a point of saying 'was never searched'.

photo attached - Shutter you still here?

Great pix, G. Looks exactly like what EX Unk found.
 

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« Reply #6861 on: August 05, 2021, 04:28:59 PM »
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Anyone get the photos of the metal thingys Gates magically found at TBar in last nights Expedition Unknown ? Might be from Cooper's brief case.

Presumably found between road and Ingram find which Ulis made a point of saying 'was never searched'.

photo attached - Shutter you still here?

Great pix, G. Looks exactly like what EX Unk found.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6862 on: August 05, 2021, 05:32:50 PM »
Sorry. EX Unk is Hollywood shorthand for Expedition Unknown.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6863 on: August 06, 2021, 03:11:36 AM »
People are saying the brief case parts discovery was a plant. 
 

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« Reply #6864 on: August 06, 2021, 05:51:53 PM »
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People are saying the brief case parts discovery was a plant.
Maybe, maybe not. Nevertheless, I have a hard time understanding how the briefcase would remain in that location for 50 years.
 

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« Reply #6865 on: August 06, 2021, 06:47:57 PM »
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People are saying the brief case parts discovery was a plant.

Really? What people?

I was there and it happened on-camera precisely as it happened in real time.

This serves as one more piece of evidence that certain people are just prone to embrace and propagate conspiracy theories at the expense of truth.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6866 on: August 06, 2021, 07:38:40 PM »
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People are saying the brief case parts discovery was a plant.

Really? What people?

I was there and it happened on-camera precisely as it happened in real time.

This serves as one more piece of evidence that certain people are just prone to embrace and propagate conspiracy theories at the expense of truth.

Did you also direct Gates to a giftwrapped Red Ryder BB Gun behind the desk? "Say, what's that over there, Ralphie, right where the GPS signal says to go..."
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6867 on: August 06, 2021, 11:19:32 PM »
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People are saying the brief case parts discovery was a plant.

Really? What people?

I was there and it happened on-camera precisely as it happened in real time.

This serves as one more piece of evidence that certain people are just prone to embrace and propagate conspiracy theories at the expense of truth.

Suggest you start by take the piece(s) to a guitar shop and compare. ...

Got a map of the exact location? You keep saying C landed on TBar and buried his money there, somewhere .............. where? Picture. Map.   
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6868 on: August 06, 2021, 11:27:42 PM »
Is the latch you showed in a picture similar to what they found, sure doesn't look like briefcase hardware?
 

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« Reply #6869 on: August 06, 2021, 11:32:33 PM »
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Is the latch you showed in a picture similar to what they found, sure doesn't look like briefcase hardware?

I dont know. Pulled that photo from memory after the show. Ulis hasnt published any photos ?