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35% Cooper lived.
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50% Cooper lived
10 (20.4%)
75% Cooper lived
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6210 on: March 03, 2021, 09:43:21 PM »
I concur, and Georger has banned or blocked me from his email server for at least six years!

Although G will hate me saying this, Ramtha STRONGLY encourages me to be more facile in allowing others their truth. Sigh... but no one said being enlightened was gonna be easy....

... but Gawd knows I'm tryin'.

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« Reply #6211 on: March 03, 2021, 10:04:08 PM »
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« Reply #6212 on: March 04, 2021, 02:22:14 AM »
Mea gusto.

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« Reply #6213 on: March 04, 2021, 07:59:01 AM »
I hear Occam's razor referenced regularly when discussing this case but it is rarely followed. That said I think it's true.

At the end of the day I really feel like Cooper was just some dude down on his luck--perhaps he was part of the Seattle aerospace layoffs--who didn't see any real financial prospects on the horizon. In reality, back in 1971 in the aerospace sector there weren't many prospects. Especially for a middle-aged guy.

DBC was probably familiar with the 727, skydiving and the Seattle region. All of these things were in his wheel house and comfort zone. Therefore, it was natural for him to invent a crime like the one that took place.

I think Cooper got away because he was simply one or two steps ahead of the authorities. Put another way, he caught them off guard.

Additionally, I think the authorities made some mistakes. In my mind the biggest being where Cooper's landing zone was. Applying Occam's razor, I think Cooper landed pretty close to where the money was found on Tena Bar.

How did the money end up at Tena Bar? Applying Occam's razor, Cooper buried it there.

One of the bigger mysteries in my mind is why not a single bill has shown up in circulation. Applying Occam's razor, I think it's probably because he didn't spend it--or at least much of it. Why? Perhaps the answer is little more than he thought he would get caught. Perhaps he thought the authorities were surveilling him. Perhaps the authorities actually were surveilling him.

Utilizing a tortured series of remarkable events--like three independent packets of twenties sticking together while getting swept down the river, washing up on Tena Bar in June no less, and then self burying for 8 years--is unnecessary. Sure it's theoretically possible. But using Occam's razor, not likely.
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« Reply #6214 on: March 04, 2021, 08:29:40 AM »
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The label on this tie indicated it to be a "Towncraft" tie and bore the store name of Penneys Number 3

Does anyone know where Penneys Store number 3 was?
 

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« Reply #6215 on: March 04, 2021, 09:22:58 AM »
It's not a reference to a store number. it's like a model number or style.
 

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« Reply #6216 on: March 04, 2021, 01:18:27 PM »
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I hear Occam's razor referenced regularly when discussing this case but it is rarely followed. That said I think it's true.

At the end of the day I really feel like Cooper was just some dude down on his luck--perhaps he was part of the Seattle aerospace layoffs--who didn't see any real financial prospects on the horizon. In reality, back in 1971 in the aerospace sector there weren't many prospects. Especially for a middle-aged guy.

DBC was probably familiar with the 727, skydiving and the Seattle region. All of these things were in his wheel house and comfort zone. Therefore, it was natural for him to invent a crime like the one that took place.

I think Cooper got away because he was simply one or two steps ahead of the authorities. Put another way, he caught them off guard.

Additionally, I think the authorities made some mistakes. In my mind the biggest being where Cooper's landing zone was. Applying Occam's razor, I think Cooper landed pretty close to where the money was found on Tena Bar.

How did the money end up at Tena Bar? Applying Occam's razor, Cooper buried it there.

One of the bigger mysteries in my mind is why not a single bill has shown up in circulation. Applying Occam's razor, I think it's probably because he didn't spend it--or at least much of it. Why? Perhaps the answer is little more than he thought he would get caught. Perhaps he thought the authorities were surveilling him. Perhaps the authorities actually were surveilling him.

Utilizing a tortured series of remarkable events--like three independent packets of twenties sticking together while getting swept down the river, washing up on Tena Bar in June no less, and then self burying for 8 years--is unnecessary. Sure it's theoretically possible. But using Occam's razor, not likely.

Its still speculation.  But if you do not mind, I want to ask you a question about that "list" you posted in the other thread, re a troll.  One thing you mentioned is that he had mentioned Tina had money sticking from her coat?  Was this ever confirmed and if so, is this possibly due to DB Cooper "tipping" her if you will?  After all, he was said to have told her to "keep the change" with a twenty on one of his bourbon's?  So the point here is if Tina did have some of the ransom money, as a tip or good gesture by DB, she would have SPENT IT.  So much for the money guy and his theory the money would have surfaced. Do you believe they had the technology to track every twenty dollar bill in 1971?  i do not.
 

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« Reply #6217 on: March 04, 2021, 01:37:33 PM »
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I hear Occam's razor referenced regularly when discussing this case but it is rarely followed. That said I think it's true.

At the end of the day I really feel like Cooper was just some dude down on his luck--perhaps he was part of the Seattle aerospace layoffs--who didn't see any real financial prospects on the horizon. In reality, back in 1971 in the aerospace sector there weren't many prospects. Especially for a middle-aged guy.

DBC was probably familiar with the 727, skydiving and the Seattle region. All of these things were in his wheel house and comfort zone. Therefore, it was natural for him to invent a crime like the one that took place.

I think Cooper got away because he was simply one or two steps ahead of the authorities. Put another way, he caught them off guard.

Additionally, I think the authorities made some mistakes. In my mind the biggest being where Cooper's landing zone was. Applying Occam's razor, I think Cooper landed pretty close to where the money was found on Tena Bar.

How did the money end up at Tena Bar? Applying Occam's razor, Cooper buried it there.

One of the bigger mysteries in my mind is why not a single bill has shown up in circulation. Applying Occam's razor, I think it's probably because he didn't spend it--or at least much of it. Why? Perhaps the answer is little more than he thought he would get caught. Perhaps he thought the authorities were surveilling him. Perhaps the authorities actually were surveilling him.

Utilizing a tortured series of remarkable events--like three independent packets of twenties sticking together while getting swept down the river, washing up on Tena Bar in June no less, and then self burying for 8 years--is unnecessary. Sure it's theoretically possible. But using Occam's razor, not likely.

Its still speculation.  But if you do not mind, I want to ask you a question about that "list" you posted in the other thread, re a troll.  One thing you mentioned is that he had mentioned Tina had money sticking from her coat?  Was this ever confirmed and if so, is this possibly due to DB Cooper "tipping" her if you will?  After all, he was said to have told her to "keep the change" with a twenty on one of his bourbon's?  So the point here is if Tina did have some of the ransom money, as a tip or good gesture by DB, she would have SPENT IT.  So much for the money guy and his theory the money would have surfaced. Do you believe they had the technology to track every twenty dollar bill in 1971?  i do not.
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I hear Occam's razor referenced regularly when discussing this case but it is rarely followed. That said I think it's true.

At the end of the day I really feel like Cooper was just some dude down on his luck--perhaps he was part of the Seattle aerospace layoffs--who didn't see any real financial prospects on the horizon. In reality, back in 1971 in the aerospace sector there weren't many prospects. Especially for a middle-aged guy.

DBC was probably familiar with the 727, skydiving and the Seattle region. All of these things were in his wheel house and comfort zone. Therefore, it was natural for him to invent a crime like the one that took place.

I think Cooper got away because he was simply one or two steps ahead of the authorities. Put another way, he caught them off guard.

Additionally, I think the authorities made some mistakes. In my mind the biggest being where Cooper's landing zone was. Applying Occam's razor, I think Cooper landed pretty close to where the money was found on Tena Bar.

How did the money end up at Tena Bar? Applying Occam's razor, Cooper buried it there.

One of the bigger mysteries in my mind is why not a single bill has shown up in circulation. Applying Occam's razor, I think it's probably because he didn't spend it--or at least much of it. Why? Perhaps the answer is little more than he thought he would get caught. Perhaps he thought the authorities were surveilling him. Perhaps the authorities actually were surveilling him.

Utilizing a tortured series of remarkable events--like three independent packets of twenties sticking together while getting swept down the river, washing up on Tena Bar in June no less, and then self burying for 8 years--is unnecessary. Sure it's theoretically possible. But using Occam's razor, not likely.

Its still speculation.  But if you do not mind, I want to ask you a question about that "list" you posted in the other thread, re a troll.  One thing you mentioned is that he had mentioned Tina had money sticking from her coat?  Was this ever confirmed and if so, is this possibly due to DB Cooper "tipping" her if you will?  After all, he was said to have told her to "keep the change" with a twenty on one of his bourbon's?  So the point here is if Tina did have some of the ransom money, as a tip or good gesture by DB, she would have SPENT IT.  So much for the money guy and his theory the money would have surfaced. Do you believe they had the technology to track every twenty dollar bill in 1971?  i do not.

Hold on a minute here ! I’m not aware of Cooper ordering any drinks AFTER he received the $200,000 !
The $20 Cooper gave Tina for drinks certainly wasn’t ANY part of the ransom money.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6218 on: March 04, 2021, 01:45:26 PM »
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I hear Occam's razor referenced regularly when discussing this case but it is rarely followed. That said I think it's true.

At the end of the day I really feel like Cooper was just some dude down on his luck--perhaps he was part of the Seattle aerospace layoffs--who didn't see any real financial prospects on the horizon. In reality, back in 1971 in the aerospace sector there weren't many prospects. Especially for a middle-aged guy.

DBC was probably familiar with the 727, skydiving and the Seattle region. All of these things were in his wheel house and comfort zone. Therefore, it was natural for him to invent a crime like the one that took place.

I think Cooper got away because he was simply one or two steps ahead of the authorities. Put another way, he caught them off guard.

Additionally, I think the authorities made some mistakes. In my mind the biggest being where Cooper's landing zone was. Applying Occam's razor, I think Cooper landed pretty close to where the money was found on Tena Bar.

How did the money end up at Tena Bar? Applying Occam's razor, Cooper buried it there.

One of the bigger mysteries in my mind is why not a single bill has shown up in circulation. Applying Occam's razor, I think it's probably because he didn't spend it--or at least much of it. Why? Perhaps the answer is little more than he thought he would get caught. Perhaps he thought the authorities were surveilling him. Perhaps the authorities actually were surveilling him.

Utilizing a tortured series of remarkable events--like three independent packets of twenties sticking together while getting swept down the river, washing up on Tena Bar in June no less, and then self burying for 8 years--is unnecessary. Sure it's theoretically possible. But using Occam's razor, not likely.

Its still speculation.  But if you do not mind, I want to ask you a question about that "list" you posted in the other thread, re a troll.  One thing you mentioned is that he had mentioned Tina had money sticking from her coat?  Was this ever confirmed and if so, is this possibly due to DB Cooper "tipping" her if you will?  After all, he was said to have told her to "keep the change" with a twenty on one of his bourbon's?  So the point here is if Tina did have some of the ransom money, as a tip or good gesture by DB, she would have SPENT IT.  So much for the money guy and his theory the money would have surfaced. Do you believe they had the technology to track every twenty dollar bill in 1971?  i do not.

To be clear, the list pertains to his theories such as they are.

As noted, one theory involved Tina keeping some of the ransom money--perhaps this ended up being the Tena Bar money in the theory(?)--and this money actually being visible by virtue of a bulge in her coat pocket.

It goes without saying, my opinion is that this is ridiculous.
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« Reply #6219 on: March 04, 2021, 01:47:10 PM »
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I hear Occam's razor referenced regularly when discussing this case but it is rarely followed. That said I think it's true.

At the end of the day I really feel like Cooper was just some dude down on his luck--perhaps he was part of the Seattle aerospace layoffs--who didn't see any real financial prospects on the horizon. In reality, back in 1971 in the aerospace sector there weren't many prospects. Especially for a middle-aged guy.

DBC was probably familiar with the 727, skydiving and the Seattle region. All of these things were in his wheel house and comfort zone. Therefore, it was natural for him to invent a crime like the one that took place.

I think Cooper got away because he was simply one or two steps ahead of the authorities. Put another way, he caught them off guard.

Additionally, I think the authorities made some mistakes. In my mind the biggest being where Cooper's landing zone was. Applying Occam's razor, I think Cooper landed pretty close to where the money was found on Tena Bar.

How did the money end up at Tena Bar? Applying Occam's razor, Cooper buried it there.

One of the bigger mysteries in my mind is why not a single bill has shown up in circulation. Applying Occam's razor, I think it's probably because he didn't spend it--or at least much of it. Why? Perhaps the answer is little more than he thought he would get caught. Perhaps he thought the authorities were surveilling him. Perhaps the authorities actually were surveilling.

Utilizing a tortured series of remarkable events--like three independent packets of twenties sticking together while getting swept down the river, washing up on Tena Bar in June no less, and then self burying for 8 years--is unnecessary. Sure it's theoretically possible. But using Occam's razor, not likely.
I agree with most of what you said. However, there are other ways the Tena Bar money could have ended up on the beach other than human intervention.

One hypothesis I have (and it’s only a hypothesis because I have no evidence to support it) is that Cooper and/or the money came down along the banks of the Columbia between the I-5 bridge and the I-205 bridge. Perhaps Cooper’s body and/or the money was caught up in the trees or hidden among the logs, bushes and brush along the shore. There is remained all winter, the bag of money intact. Spring comes and the floods behind it, and perhaps the money bag caught on a log and was washed downstream. Perhaps Cooper’s body was attached and similarly washed downstream. The money would have been tightly packed inside the bag and not exposed to the elements. Finally, the flood waters brought the money bag to Tena Bar and it separated from Cooper’s body which continued downstream, gone forever. The bag opened and the three packets spilled out and fanned out, while the rest of the money continued it’s journey down the Columbia, perhaps underwater where it also disappeared forever. The three packets fanned out in the flood water, but eventually settled and was buried until February 13, 1980.

You could have this same hypothesis with Cooper living, but losing the money. Maybe Cooper landed safely but the money was separated from him ala McNally.

This would account for the money remaining dry until the spring. It’s logical as it follows common natural occurrences such as floods, flotsam, and debris. It keeps the three found packets together until the last moment without the need for three separate packets to float independently and miraculously arriving at the same place together. It would explain why nothing of Cooper’s was ever found.

Again, I don’t have any evidence to support it. It’s just a hypothesis but I think it’s a reasonable one and a logical one and not “tortured”.

You have the flight path. You have the money find. The easiest way to reconcile those two locations is via the Columbia.

 

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« Reply #6220 on: March 04, 2021, 02:02:02 PM »
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I hear Occam's razor referenced regularly when discussing this case but it is rarely followed. That said I think it's true.

At the end of the day I really feel like Cooper was just some dude down on his luck--perhaps he was part of the Seattle aerospace layoffs--who didn't see any real financial prospects on the horizon. In reality, back in 1971 in the aerospace sector there weren't many prospects. Especially for a middle-aged guy.

DBC was probably familiar with the 727, skydiving and the Seattle region. All of these things were in his wheel house and comfort zone. Therefore, it was natural for him to invent a crime like the one that took place.

I think Cooper got away because he was simply one or two steps ahead of the authorities. Put another way, he caught them off guard.

Additionally, I think the authorities made some mistakes. In my mind the biggest being where Cooper's landing zone was. Applying Occam's razor, I think Cooper landed pretty close to where the money was found on Tena Bar.

How did the money end up at Tena Bar? Applying Occam's razor, Cooper buried it there.

One of the bigger mysteries in my mind is why not a single bill has shown up in circulation. Applying Occam's razor, I think it's probably because he didn't spend it--or at least much of it. Why? Perhaps the answer is little more than he thought he would get caught. Perhaps he thought the authorities were surveilling him. Perhaps the authorities actually were surveilling.

Utilizing a tortured series of remarkable events--like three independent packets of twenties sticking together while getting swept down the river, washing up on Tena Bar in June no less, and then self burying for 8 years--is unnecessary. Sure it's theoretically possible. But using Occam's razor, not likely.
I agree with most of what you said. However, there are other ways the Tena Bar money could have ended up on the beach other than human intervention.

One hypothesis I have (and it’s only a hypothesis because I have no evidence to support it) is that Cooper and/or the money came down along the banks of the Columbia between the I-5 bridge and the I-205 bridge. Perhaps Cooper’s body and/or the money was caught up in the trees or hidden among the logs, bushes and brush along the shore. There is remained all winter, the bag of money intact. Spring comes and the floods behind it, and perhaps the money bag caught on a log and was washed downstream. Perhaps Cooper’s body was attached and similarly washed downstream. The money would have been tightly packed inside the bag and not exposed to the elements. Finally, the flood waters brought the money bag to Tena Bar and it separated from Cooper’s body which continued downstream, gone forever. The bag opened and the three packets spilled out and fanned out, while the rest of the money continued it’s journey down the Columbia, perhaps underwater where it also disappeared forever. The three packets fanned out in the flood water, but eventually settled and was buried until February 13, 1980.

You could have this same hypothesis with Cooper living, but losing the money. Maybe Cooper landed safely but the money was separated from him ala McNally.

This would account for the money remaining dry until the spring. It’s logical as it follows common natural occurrences such as floods, flotsam, and debris. It keeps the three found packets together until the last moment without the need for three separate packets to float independently and miraculously arriving at the same place together. It would explain why nothing of Cooper’s was ever found.

Again, I don’t have any evidence to support it. It’s just a hypothesis but I think it’s a reasonable one and a logical one and not “tortured”.

You have the flight path. You have the money find. The easiest way to reconcile those two locations is via the Columbia.

I appreciate your theory. That said, I consider it highly unlikely.

Specifically, I'm trying to imagine a scenario where these three packets stay together while everything else is completely gone. After all, it's not like other stuff was found 10 feet away, or 100 yards away, it is completely gone, everything.

So we have three packets, self burying and staying together, for 8 years, and there is no trace at all of anything else.

Not to mention, this completely challenges the pressure bump timing at approximately 8:12.

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« Reply #6221 on: March 04, 2021, 02:51:20 PM »
The three packets, along with the rest of the money, stay together in the bag for the duration of the trip down the Columbia to Tena Bar. Upon reaching Tena Bar, the bag opens, some of the money spills out. The three packets end up together on the sand while the rest washes away. Not that far fetched. Nature is chaotic and doesn’t always follow specific patterns - particularly debris in a flood water.

Regarding the jump time, to be fair, your theory requires moving the accepted flight path several miles west. The exact time that Cooper jumped is far more questionable than the flight path.

For example:

8:05 was the  last time the flight crew hear from Cooper when he responded to them on the intercom that "everything was OK"

8:10 was the first time there are any reports of "oscillations" (FBI Vault, Part 41, p. 31 & 32)

8:12 was the last time there are any reports of "oscillations".(FBI Vault, Part 41, p. 31 & 32)  At this point the plane was just east of LaCenter.

There is no official report of a "pressure bump" which is generally used as the point at which Cooper jumped causing the stairs to swing back up. We don't know when that took place, but we know it took place AFTER 8:12 because the oscillations preceded the pressure bump.

So, while we don't have an exact time of the pressure bump, we do have pilot statements. Rat said initially that the pressure bump was felt 5 to 10 minutes after last contact (8:05). That would put the bump between 8:10 and 8:15. We know it can't be between 8:10 and 8:12 because that is when the oscillations are happening. So it would have to happen between 8:13 and 8:15. However, Rat later told Carr that the pressure bump occurred 10 to 15 minutes after last contact (8:05). This would give you a range between 8:15 and 8:20 for the pressure bump.

However, further statements by the crew were that the pressure bump occurred when "the lights of the suburbs of Portland were visible" but they "had not yet crossed the Columbia. The plane crossed over the Columbia at 8:17, so we can eliminate any bump happening after 8:17.

Thus, the timing of the oscillations combined with the statements of the pilot give a range between 8:13 and 8:17 for Cooper jumping and causing the pressure bump. The median of this time range is 8:15. At 8:15 the plane is over the Orchards area.

In actuality, the northernmost jump point IS just north of Battleground and the southernmost would be the northern banks of the Columbia. I used Orchards as a center between the two.

My contention is that the jump occurred in the 8:16/8:17 time frame and Cooper and/or the money came to rest very near the banks of the Columbia.

As far as what happened to Cooper and the money once it left the aircraft is merely an educated guess, but I believe the river is the most likely vehicle for the money to end up on Tena Bar.
 

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« Reply #6222 on: March 04, 2021, 04:06:46 PM »
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I hear Occam's razor referenced regularly when discussing this case but it is rarely followed. That said I think it's true.

At the end of the day I really feel like Cooper was just some dude down on his luck--perhaps he was part of the Seattle aerospace layoffs--who didn't see any real financial prospects on the horizon. In reality, back in 1971 in the aerospace sector there weren't many prospects. Especially for a middle-aged guy.

DBC was probably familiar with the 727, skydiving and the Seattle region. All of these things were in his wheel house and comfort zone. Therefore, it was natural for him to invent a crime like the one that took place.

I think Cooper got away because he was simply one or two steps ahead of the authorities. Put another way, he caught them off guard.

Additionally, I think the authorities made some mistakes. In my mind the biggest being where Cooper's landing zone was. Applying Occam's razor, I think Cooper landed pretty close to where the money was found on Tena Bar.

How did the money end up at Tena Bar? Applying Occam's razor, Cooper buried it there.

One of the bigger mysteries in my mind is why not a single bill has shown up in circulation. Applying Occam's razor, I think it's probably because he didn't spend it--or at least much of it. Why? Perhaps the answer is little more than he thought he would get caught. Perhaps he thought the authorities were surveilling him. Perhaps the authorities actually were surveilling.

Utilizing a tortured series of remarkable events--like three independent packets of twenties sticking together while getting swept down the river, washing up on Tena Bar in June no less, and then self burying for 8 years--is unnecessary. Sure it's theoretically possible. But using Occam's razor, not likely.
I agree with most of what you said. However, there are other ways the Tena Bar money could have ended up on the beach other than human intervention.

One hypothesis I have (and it’s only a hypothesis because I have no evidence to support it) is that Cooper and/or the money came down along the banks of the Columbia between the I-5 bridge and the I-205 bridge. Perhaps Cooper’s body and/or the money was caught up in the trees or hidden among the logs, bushes and brush along the shore. There is remained all winter, the bag of money intact. Spring comes and the floods behind it, and perhaps the money bag caught on a log and was washed downstream. Perhaps Cooper’s body was attached and similarly washed downstream. The money would have been tightly packed inside the bag and not exposed to the elements. Finally, the flood waters brought the money bag to Tena Bar and it separated from Cooper’s body which continued downstream, gone forever. The bag opened and the three packets spilled out and fanned out, while the rest of the money continued it’s journey down the Columbia, perhaps underwater where it also disappeared forever. The three packets fanned out in the flood water, but eventually settled and was buried until February 13, 1980.

You could have this same hypothesis with Cooper living, but losing the money. Maybe Cooper landed safely but the money was separated from him ala McNally.

This would account for the money remaining dry until the spring. It’s logical as it follows common natural occurrences such as floods, flotsam, and debris. It keeps the three found packets together until the last moment without the need for three separate packets to float independently and miraculously arriving at the same place together. It would explain why nothing of Cooper’s was ever found.

Again, I don’t have any evidence to support it. It’s just a hypothesis but I think it’s a reasonable one and a logical one and not “tortured”.

You have the flight path. You have the money find. The easiest way to reconcile those two locations is via the Columbia.

Chaucer, do I need to start copyrighting my posts?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6223 on: March 04, 2021, 04:37:17 PM »
DB Cooper was sure on the ball with forensics of 1971.  Taking the note with him.  The cops wanted that note. Obviously for prints and handwriting comparisons.  Nobody thought of DNA of course in those days, but some dumb cop lost the biggest smoking gun, the cigarette butts.  They never could have known it then of course.  But, not wanting to post on your new thread, I think it was Kermit that said something to the effect that nobody really knows what Portland was like in 1971.  I was a freshman in high school ( an all boys Catholic hight school in Rochester, NY).  I drove a 66 Mustang witht the Shelby vents.  You could walk into any restaurant and buy a pack of smokes for about $1.25, no cells, no cable TV yet, nothing but rabbit ear antenna.  No airport security and that is incredible to think of in this day and age.  You just look at the old black and white shots on this case and it reminds you of what a different world it was then.  Did you ever see the plane Led Zeppelin owned?  Impressive for the day.  Why do I bring all of this up?  Maybe to just reset some emotions.  Reset an image of the time.  So how wide is the Columbia River?  It cant be as wide as the swim they would have had escaping Alcatraz?  And it cant be as cold as the St Lawrence.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6224 on: March 04, 2021, 04:57:45 PM »
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I hear Occam's razor referenced regularly when discussing this case but it is rarely followed. That said I think it's true.

At the end of the day I really feel like Cooper was just some dude down on his luck--perhaps he was part of the Seattle aerospace layoffs--who didn't see any real financial prospects on the horizon. In reality, back in 1971 in the aerospace sector there weren't many prospects. Especially for a middle-aged guy.

DBC was probably familiar with the 727, skydiving and the Seattle region. All of these things were in his wheel house and comfort zone. Therefore, it was natural for him to invent a crime like the one that took place.

I think Cooper got away because he was simply one or two steps ahead of the authorities. Put another way, he caught them off guard.

Additionally, I think the authorities made some mistakes. In my mind the biggest being where Cooper's landing zone was. Applying Occam's razor, I think Cooper landed pretty close to where the money was found on Tena Bar.

How did the money end up at Tena Bar? Applying Occam's razor, Cooper buried it there.

One of the bigger mysteries in my mind is why not a single bill has shown up in circulation. Applying Occam's razor, I think it's probably because he didn't spend it--or at least much of it. Why? Perhaps the answer is little more than he thought he would get caught. Perhaps he thought the authorities were surveilling him. Perhaps the authorities actually were surveilling.

Utilizing a tortured series of remarkable events--like three independent packets of twenties sticking together while getting swept down the river, washing up on Tena Bar in June no less, and then self burying for 8 years--is unnecessary. Sure it's theoretically possible. But using Occam's razor, not likely.
I agree with most of what you said. However, there are other ways the Tena Bar money could have ended up on the beach other than human intervention.

One hypothesis I have (and it’s only a hypothesis because I have no evidence to support it) is that Cooper and/or the money came down along the banks of the Columbia between the I-5 bridge and the I-205 bridge. Perhaps Cooper’s body and/or the money was caught up in the trees or hidden among the logs, bushes and brush along the shore. There is remained all winter, the bag of money intact. Spring comes and the floods behind it, and perhaps the money bag caught on a log and was washed downstream. Perhaps Cooper’s body was attached and similarly washed downstream. The money would have been tightly packed inside the bag and not exposed to the elements. Finally, the flood waters brought the money bag to Tena Bar and it separated from Cooper’s body which continued downstream, gone forever. The bag opened and the three packets spilled out and fanned out, while the rest of the money continued it’s journey down the Columbia, perhaps underwater where it also disappeared forever. The three packets fanned out in the flood water, but eventually settled and was buried until February 13, 1980.

You could have this same hypothesis with Cooper living, but losing the money. Maybe Cooper landed safely but the money was separated from him ala McNally.

This would account for the money remaining dry until the spring. It’s logical as it follows common natural occurrences such as floods, flotsam, and debris. It keeps the three found packets together until the last moment without the need for three separate packets to float independently and miraculously arriving at the same place together. It would explain why nothing of Cooper’s was ever found.

Again, I don’t have any evidence to support it. It’s just a hypothesis but I think it’s a reasonable one and a logical one and not “tortured”.

You have the flight path. You have the money find. The easiest way to reconcile those two locations is via the Columbia.

Chaucer, do I need to start copyrighting my posts?
I have no idea what your talking about?