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Offline Shutter

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5790 on: November 09, 2020, 04:33:12 PM »
My guess would be the Las Vegas portion of the crime scene belongs to them. they were in control of what happened. they should of contacted Seattle when it came to any of the evidence being destroyed.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5791 on: November 10, 2020, 11:45:17 PM »
Cooper calls talk show but not him!   :nono: :rofl:           

see - D.B. Cooper Part 21- page13 DBC 6245 - not coopers voice.  1/31/72
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5792 on: November 10, 2020, 11:56:16 PM »
First two pages of newly released Part 52   - dna.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5793 on: November 11, 2020, 01:09:09 AM »
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D.B. Cooper Part 51 of 51-196 DBC 21311   written 1998 ... says the butts were destroyed in Las Vegas !

Some Lab DNA unit started looking for them in 1998 then ran into this ... 

Why did Las Vegas have the butts ?

Interesting twist on the above butts. Butts were destroyed but tie pin survived! How? Seattle requested it be sent them on 2/8/72.  Why didnt Seattle ask Las Vegas to send them 'everything you are holding' ?  Weird.

Seattle also requests Portland investigate the origin of the Towncraft tie clasp. Why doesnt Las Vegas investigate it?  :nono:

No wonder the cigarette butts fell through the crack ...  >:D C:-)

     
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5794 on: November 11, 2020, 01:24:55 AM »
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First two pages of newly released Part 52   - dna.

The FBI states that the tie was definitely Cooper's.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5795 on: November 11, 2020, 03:31:05 PM »
I have watched Bruce Smith's show on the Parachutes and that other guy, Blevin's.  The more I watch the goofier I get.  So the late Earl Cossey was involved with this and so was the other guy, Norman Hadyden.  There seems to be confusion as to who actually packed the chute he jumped with?  Do we know which one he jumped with?  Because it seems that two were missing.  And he took two with him.  Hopefully, and I believe he did use the one that worked because if he did not make it, his body, the bomb, fake or not, and the money would have been scattered and littered all over the place.  Enough sheriff's and no doubt citizens that were interested looked enough to find something had he not made it. The evidence or lack of it screams out to me that he made it.  Ok, Bruce said the one he did not use was on the plane.  So there were 4 right?  One we know he cut up to use for the money.  So technically he took 3 with him?  Tina was ordered to the cock pit so we do not know any more.  She did not see him put the chute on.  She did not see what else he pulled out?  Like the knife I have read we know he had?  OK.  Digest that.
Oh, I wanted to mention, as far as the murder, Blevin says he believes it was a burglary? Not sure why you beat someone to death for a few bucks?  Unless some deranged guy was riding around on a red motorcycle?  Mentioned by Blevin.  I do not think Bruce really has any idea of the motive?  But Ill watch again.  It would be nice to narrow down which chutes he actually had when he jumped?  I mean, from who?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5796 on: November 11, 2020, 03:33:05 PM »
Rare hijackings "deserve" RARE speculation: To wit Flyjack's latest ballet!

"It’s possible the cigarette staining on coopers hand could of been caused by something else and it was just assumed cigarettes because he was smoking. One of the biggest take aways from all of the cs’s tie analysis is that cooper was around machinery in a metal fabrication environment. Hence why the tie was clip on in case it snagged on any machinery. Could the stains have been caused by something occupational known as VWF/HAVS? Vibration white finger (VWF), also known as hand-arm vibration syndrome (HAVS) or dead finger, is a secondary form of Raynaud's syndrome, an industrial injury triggered by continuous use of vibrating hand-held machinery.

So ... lets consider other rare conditions - based on the tie of course@!  That tie showing streak and ultra malformations inimical of "wiping" off fingerprints ... 

Diseases for DB Cooper must now consider:

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Anti-HLA Hyperimmunization
Acromegaloid Features, Overgrowth, Cleft palate and Hernia
Arterial calcification due to CD73 deficiency

    Mad cow disease, SARS and now swine flu:
    Morgellons. ...
    Progeria. ...
    Water allergy. ... distoambilysgia hospisis
    Foreign accent syndrome. ... hypowellegopedilia
    Laughing Death. ...  mongotelliuthetia
    Fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva (FOP) ...
    Alice in Wonderland syndrome. Osmilleliathrombosysisis

Cooper was one sick dude!    :rofl:

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5797 on: November 11, 2020, 03:40:58 PM »
Well it seems established Cossey was a liar?  Both Bruce and Blevins have said this.  So the post I made two back, where I asked the questions about the chutes, I did not include that.  So he did not make things easy

I think Georger posted at the exact same time I did. 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5798 on: November 11, 2020, 05:49:32 PM »
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I have watched Bruce Smith's show on the Parachutes and that other guy, Blevin's.  The more I watch the goofier I get.  So the late Earl Cossey was involved with this and so was the other guy, Norman Hadyden.  There seems to be confusion as to who actually packed the chute he jumped with?  Do we know which one he jumped with?  Because it seems that two were missing.  And he took two with him.  Hopefully, and I believe he did use the one that worked because if he did not make it, his body, the bomb, fake or not, and the money would have been scattered and littered all over the place.  Enough sheriff's and no doubt citizens that were interested looked enough to find something had he not made it. The evidence or lack of it screams out to me that he made it.  Ok, Bruce said the one he did not use was on the plane.  So there were 4 right?  One we know he cut up to use for the money.  So technically he took 3 with him?  Tina was ordered to the cock pit so we do not know any more.  She did not see him put the chute on.  She did not see what else he pulled out?  Like the knife I have read we know he had?  OK.  Digest that.
Oh, I wanted to mention, as far as the murder, Blevin says he believes it was a burglary? Not sure why you beat someone to death for a few bucks?  Unless some deranged guy was riding around on a red motorcycle?  Mentioned by Blevin.  I do not think Bruce really has any idea of the motive?  But Ill watch again.  It would be nice to narrow down which chutes he actually had when he jumped?  I mean, from who?

To keep the record straight here, Tina is quoted in one of the FBI 302s as saying that Cooper put on the backpack without difficulty and that he said he did not need to read the operating instructions that were provided to him.

Apparently the only thing missing from the chest pack that remained on the airliner were some of the shroud lines that Cooper had cut out.  So he only took two chutes with him.

Cossey apparently packed all the chutes but the two back packs belonged to Hayden. 
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« Reply #5799 on: November 11, 2020, 05:55:32 PM »
The other guy who does a YouTube special on this I believe says that it was not Cossey that packed them?  Bruce implied that he just wanted a "piece of the action".  He was caught lying on several occasions.  So its not like you can trust any of this info 100%.  And you know what they say about eye witness's.  And ones that  disappear for 30 years by going into a convent to avoid civilization are not my favorite witness's.  Nice people, but bad witness's
 

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« Reply #5800 on: November 11, 2020, 05:58:41 PM »
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The other guy who does a YouTube special on this I believe says that it was not Cossey that packed them?  Bruce implied that he just wanted a "piece of the action".  He was caught lying on several occasions.  So its not like you can trust any of this info 100%.  And you know what they say about eye witness's.  And ones that  disappear for 30 years by going into a convent to avoid civilization are not my favorite witness's.  Nice people, but bad witness's

The back pack parachute that was returned to Hayden contained a packing card with Cossey listed as the packer.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5801 on: November 11, 2020, 08:27:38 PM »
Parachute Clarity

Here's what I know about the parachutes:

1. Cooper asked for FOUR and received Two Back Chutes and Two Front Chutes.

2. All four had been packed by Earl Cossey.

3. One Front Chute, aka "chest" or "reserve" chute was found on the plane in Reno. Multiple shroud lines were cut - 3, 4, or 5 lines depending on which 302 one reads.

4. One Back Chute, aka, "main," was found on the plane in Reno. It was returned to its owner, Norman Hayden, in about 1975 after a court battle with the FBI.

5. No one knows definitively what kind of parachute DBC jumped with. The most logical estimation is that it was the second of the two back chutes Norman Hayden had delivered to NWO on the night of the skyjacking. Norman told me that he gave NWO two identical Pioneer/Steinthaul rigs. Hence, DBC most likely jumped with a 28' conical P/S chute. Norman later recanted this statement when interviewed by Robert Blevins, according to RMB, who claims that Hayden told him that the second chute was an NB-8.

6. Earl Cossey had claimed for decades that DBC jumped with one of the back chutes he, Cossey, had delivered to NWO. Through the years, Cossey steadfastly claimed that one of the chutes was a Pioneer/Steinthaul like Hayden's, but the second - the USED chute - was either an NB-6, an NB-8, a Paracommander, or a "Paradise" parachute, all depending on what day one spoke with Coss.

7. Earl Cossey was murdered in April 2013. This homicide is still unsolved despite being bumped to the Major Case Squad at the Kings County Sheriff's Office.
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« Reply #5802 on: November 12, 2020, 06:22:48 AM »
Thanks for this Bruce.  Number 5 on your list is the important fact. "nobody knows which chute DB Cooper jumped with".  So IMO if he jumps with a chute that opens, he makes it. And as smart as he was, in his setting the metrics for the plane, why would they think he would suddenly turn stupid and not know what he was doing with the chutes?  After all, he knew the difference between military and civilian parachutes.  Give the guy some credit  I say.  The FBI likes to say he did not survive the jump because HE BEAT THEM.    Made them look like keystone cops. If he were alive and they caught him tomorrow, he still beat them.  Ill go one step further, and call it speculation because it is, I am betting he had some survival gear with him.  He no doubt had a car or an accomplice waiting.  He had a knife right?  Proof right there he was more equipped than they had known.    Perhaps you should pin the above post Bruce?  Clarity on the Parachutes?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5803 on: November 12, 2020, 11:41:38 AM »
How did he know where to place someone on the ground? the only way to pinpoint a position would be constant communication with the pilots. how would Cooper even know where he was?
 

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« Reply #5804 on: November 12, 2020, 11:44:50 AM »
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How did he know where to place someone on the ground? the only way to pinpoint a position would be constant communication with the pilots. how would Cooper even know where he was?
After a safe landing he would obviously need a compass for one thing.  The night sky would also tell him direction if he knows the constellations. But the sky was likely not clear enough to see stars based on the weather reports so lets assume he used a compass for direction.  He would have to hit a road at some point.  If he hit water first, he likely would have an idea of the river?   He certainly knew the area.  Walkie talkies were around then also