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0% Cooper lived
6 (9.5%)
25% Cooper lived
4 (6.3%)
35% Cooper lived.
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50% Cooper lived
14 (22.2%)
75% Cooper lived
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100 Cooper lived
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FLYJACK

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4335 on: November 25, 2018, 09:46:28 AM »
I created my own searchable Cooper serial number DB and have been keeping track of TBAR bills..

60 so far.

B09090997B   1963   A
C13871652A   1963   A
E41933578A   1969   
E61102414A   1963   A
F07553334A   1969   
G00061029B   1969   
G45632911B   1963   A
G54783796B   1963   A
H27412938A   1963   A
I02442844A   1969   
I02591811A   1969   
I06638737A   1969   
J09534759A   1969   
J12657135A   1969   
K03654750A   1969   
L01781113A   1969   
L01842041A   1969   
L02882111B   1963   A
L03160387B   1963   A
L03166965B   1963   A
L04461895*   1963   A
L06832736A   1969   
L09781412A   1969   
L12650395A   1969   
L20210452A   1969   
L20211452B   1963   A
L20301456A   1969   
L20452751A   1969   
L29575638A   1969   
L30008289A   1969   
L30706882B   1963   A
L32700814A   1969   
L32987392A   1969   
L34047759A   1969   
L34212082A   1969   
L34458940A   1969   
L34589413A   1969   
L34628654A   1969   
L35399523B   1963   A
L36246726A   1969   
L36692532A   1963   A
L38138140A   1969   
L38513685A   1969   
L43214579A   1969   
L47621840A   1969   
L48603996A   1969   
L49839325B   1963   A
L51079019B   1963   A
L51236377B   1963   A
L51303841A   1969   
L53307222A   1969   
L55376548B   1963   A
L55479078B   1963   A
L57110577A   1969   
L66606663B   1963   A
L69210458B   1963   A
L72525838B   1963   A
L72738527B   1963   A
L73000558B   1963   A
L86567062A   1969   
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4336 on: November 25, 2018, 12:00:51 PM »
flyjack
which of those serials have been pcgs auctions?

where are the rest from? an assortment of photos?
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FLYJACK

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4337 on: November 25, 2018, 12:07:21 PM »
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flyjack
which of those serials have been pcgs auctions?

where are the rest from? an assortment of photos?

They are collected from all image sources,
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4338 on: November 25, 2018, 01:04:14 PM »
I've taken flyjack's list, and annotated it with links to the zoomable PCGS images whenever they existed. I found 31 on his list. The 32nd is a partial serial number that PCGS has listed but is not on flyjack's list. I didn't  immediately find that link again, but I know it exists.

i.e. PCGS listed
L382xxxxx

you can click on the link and then click on the image to zoom around. You can also click to get to the back of the bill (bottom of your screen there). These links go to the front of the bills at first.

B09090997B   1963   A You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

C13871652A   1963   A You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

E41933578A   1969 
E61102414A   1963   A
F07553334A   1969 

G00061029B   1969   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

G45632911B   1963   A

G54783796B   1963   A You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

H27412938A   1963   A one of missing 7 in fbi master list?
I02442844A   1969 

I02591811A   1969   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

I06638737A   1969   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

J09534759A   1969   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

J12657135A   1969 
K03654750A   1969 

L01781113A   1969   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L01842041A   1969   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L02882111B   1963   A You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L03160387B   1963   A You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L03166965B   1963   A You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L04461895*   1963   A

L06832736A   1969   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L09781412A   1969 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L12650395A   1969 
L20210452A   1969 
L20211452B   1963   A

L20301456A   1969   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L20452751A   1969 
L29575638A   1969 
L30008289A   1969   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L30706882B   1963   A

L32700814A   1969   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L32987392A   1969 

L34047759A   1969   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L34212082A   1969   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L34458940A   1969 

L34589413A   1969   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L34628654A   1969 
L35399523B   1963   A You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L36246726A   1969 
L36692532A   1963   A

L38138140A   1969   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L382xxxxxx (not in flyjack list but partial serial listed by pcgs)

L38513685A   1969 
L43214579A   1969 

L47621840A   1969   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L48603996A   1969 
L49839325B   1963   A You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L51079019B   1963   A You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L51236377B   1963   A You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L51303841A   1969 
L53307222A   1969 
L55376548B   1963   A xxx
L55479078B   1963   A

L57110577A   1969   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L66606663B   1963   A

L69210458B   1963   A You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L72525838B   1963   A You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L72738527B   1963   A You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L73000558B   1963   A You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

L86567062A   1969 


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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4339 on: November 25, 2018, 01:19:03 PM »
The highest price I saw (last sold) was this bill
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for $5975

range of prices on others...some only a couple hundred dollars (the small partials)

There are others without serials. Those are probably worth less.

Seems possible to buy up all these bills and corner the market. Maybe Blevins should get in this game.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4340 on: November 25, 2018, 01:29:08 PM »
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Seems possible to buy up all these bills and corner the market. Maybe Blevins should get in this game

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of his price range.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4341 on: November 25, 2018, 05:00:56 PM »
Just another interesting historical memo from 12/27/71

This one directly says someone at McChord drew up a flight path map.,,
"flight chart map"

Later memos in 73 said the McChord person had transferred to Asia, and that to get the radar data, the FBI would have to get military command approval.

That was noted, because in '73, some agent (in a memo) questioned whether the flight data could be  in error, given someone reporting a jet flying at 5000 feet over their house in '71 east of the flight path.

On 12/27/71, <redacted> Northwest Airlines, called and advised he would arrive in Seattle at 12:40 PM on 12/28/71, on Northwest Airlines Flight #15 so that he may confer with Agents of this office in order to plan for the simulated flight during the week of 1/3/72.

He then called later and asked if it is possible to determine the identity of the person who drew up the flight chart map from McChord AFB so that he can discuss with them the time schedule and minute variations and locations of the flight at given times during the night.
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« Reply #4342 on: November 25, 2018, 10:07:52 PM »
Found the FBI memo with the 7pm to 9pm  weather on 11/24/71 . memo was 12/9/71

attached.

Just looking at Portland, OR (they also have Eugene, Salem and Toledo in the memo)
Interesting: in Portland it only started raining around 6:35 PM

in the past, I'd been wondering about the wind direction and speed around PDX.
Seems like the wind wasn't blowing from the flight path towards Tena Bar.
directions below are the "from" direction.

I remember when we asked Ckret for this basic info, he couldn't find it exceptable for an unreadable teletype.



7PM Portland, Oregon: 2,000 feet scattered, measured 3,400 feet broken, 5,000 feet overcast, 15 mile visibility, very light rain showers, temperature 46, wind SE 4 knots. Rain began at 6:35 p.m.

8PM Portland, Oregon: 1,500 scattered, measured 2,700 broken, 5,000 feet overcast. 7 miles visibility, light rain showers, temperature 42, wind west 10 knots.

9PM Portland, Oregon: Measured 3,100 feet, broken, 5,000 feet overcast, 10 miles visibility, light rain showers, temperature 44, wind south 11 knots. Few cumliofactue clouds at 1,500 feet.

Portland betweeen 8pm and 9pm
             Wind direction Speed      Height Above Sea Level
              225 degrees   20 knots    7000 ft
              230 degrees   25 knots    5000 ft
              235 degrees   20 knots    2000 ft
              235 degrees   15 knots    surface

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« Reply #4343 on: November 25, 2018, 10:09:41 PM »
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Portland betweeen 8pm and 9pm
             Wind direction Speed      Height Above Sea Level
              225 degrees   20 knots    7000 ft
              230 degrees   25 knots    5000 ft
              235 degrees   20 knots    2000 ft
              235 degrees   15 knots    surface

These are some of the winds I used in the simulator.
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« Reply #4344 on: November 25, 2018, 10:18:43 PM »
This memo is in response to another memo, where someone in Amboy reported a jet flying low, with all lights flashing.

This memo says the Flight 305 crew said that couldn't have been them, due to the distance of the flight path from Amboy (7 nautical miles) and they had their lights off, except for nav lights.

And they said they were flying on instruments. This is interesting, there have been other memos not from the crew, suggesting they may have been on autopilot.

They say they were "in the soup" and in the clouds, at 10,000 ft.
Sounds like it wasn't autopilot, just flying with instruments??

But wouldn't a passenger jet always be flying with instruments? they're not going to fly just visual.

Wonder if this memo implied autopilot?
At the very least, confirms they were flying in clouds.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4345 on: November 25, 2018, 10:21:35 PM »
auto-pilot was used for most of the flight path.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4346 on: November 25, 2018, 10:24:44 PM »
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auto-pilot was used for most of the flight path.

Yes I've read that in a memo noting a conversation in determining the DZ..the NWA person said auto-pilot meant the crew might not have detected the jump and should search south to the Columbia.

But we don't have anything where the crew is saying they were on autopilot? just someone from NWA not on the crew?
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« Reply #4347 on: November 25, 2018, 10:29:25 PM »
I believe Rataczak is on record somewhere also saying the plane was on auto-pilot.
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« Reply #4348 on: November 25, 2018, 10:32:44 PM »
several reasons could be the factor. it would insure them of a stable 10,000 feet and also stay inline with V-23. I have doubts that it was on from Lake Merwin to the Columbia.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4349 on: November 26, 2018, 12:57:47 AM »
Going to look in the direction Tom K is steering

Looking at the history of CRT making at Tektronix, especially the '60s.

"In 1964, Tektronix introduced illuminated, titanium dioxide, photo-deposited internal graticles, which allowed the use of conventional incandescent edgelighting like that used for external graticles"

Are we still looking for CRT phosphors plus titanium or no?

The new information about 'frit' seems like a big one to me.
Textronix had a variety of phosphors: names like
P31, P1, P2, P7, P11 P32 options.
Have to see what those phosphors were made of.

MgO was added sometimes.

Looking at storage scopes mostly here. TomK may not be familar with storage scopes.
377 would be.
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