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snowmman · « **Reply #4200 on:** November 20, 2018, 11:21:10 AM »

What does MJ Fryar know about how lines are stowed in a training reserve in 1971?

I don't think you posted the information she provided. This could be useful.

Maybe there's a secret FBI memo that hasn't been released yet that MJ saw?

FLYJACK · « **Reply #4201 on:** November 20, 2018, 12:22:05 PM »

Daisychaining isn't rare and undoes easily..

377 · « **Reply #4202 on:** November 20, 2018, 01:11:06 PM »

EVERYBODY daisy chains their MAIN canopy lines after landing. It's been that way since I started jumping in 1968 and applies to both round and square main canopies.

I think line stow practices on chest dummy reserves varied widely. The ones I used in my 1968 training did not have daisy chained suspension lines.

Sheridan's remarks about daisy-chained reserve lines does not prove he was on the NORJAK plane. Like everything else about Sheridan, it's ambiguous. There were only three possibilities: daisy chained, stowed in rubber suspension line retaining bands as in ready to jump reserves, or just free stowed. Sheridan may have just made a lucky guess, not a recalled personal observation. It is odd that he would speculate but its certainly possible.

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FLYJACK · « **Reply #4203 on:** November 20, 2018, 01:19:41 PM »

SP claimed... he had daisy chained a dummy chute at Issaquah. It wasn't a guess, it was an assumption that Cooper's dummy chute was that same one from the same place.

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It was outstanding, especially the part featuring me. I especially like the camera shots of my flat. If I had it to do over, I wouldn't have made that dig about Smokejumpers not being skydivers. It was a generalization and obviously not true. There are so many mitigating circumstances that link me to D. B. Cooper. For one thing I earned my skydiving instructor's license at the Issaqua Sky Port where D. B. got his four rigs. I recognized the reserve with the red X painted across it which D. B. jumped with. I used it countless times to show students how to deploy the chute in ordered that it didn't tangle with the main. I had daisy chain the shroud lines. I would like to have seen the expression on his face, when or if he'd deployed it. Secondly I was a tech writer at Boeing and many people figured I knew all about the the 737 which I did not. I was actually an editor removing gobbledygook from the engineers documents so they were easier to read. President and safety officer of the Saigon Sport Parachute Club, I left Vietnam August, 1970 for Nepal. My son Sheridan Junior was born in Kathmandu and on Halloween night 1972 my daughter was born in Pokhara, Nepal. D. B. made the Heist in 1971 so of course I could not have been D. B. Nevertheless, F.B.I. agents went to Pokhara and spoke with the missionary doctor who supervised the delivery of my daughter, Ginger.

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snowmman · « **Reply #4204 on:** November 20, 2018, 01:23:40 PM »

377 you are wrong.
EU and MJ Fryar know that Sheridan's testimony under oath demonstrated he saw the inside of the training reserve on Flight 305. This was secret information held back by the FBI to id Cooper.

There is an FBI memo where Cossey says he only packed 3 of the chutes. It is reasonable to believe that the rig he didn't pack was the training rig which was daisy-chained.

We learned all this in an interview with Sheridan Peterson.

Next question?

snowmman · « **Reply #4205 on:** November 20, 2018, 01:26:33 PM »

Oh, correction. This secret FBI info was revealed in an Amazon video review. They authenticate purchases on most reviews, so we know it's true.

377 · « **Reply #4206 on:** November 20, 2018, 01:28:19 PM »

I've jumped from a DC 9-21 passenger jet at about 150 mph and a firewalled C 130A at 370 mph. Normal skydive jumpship exits are below 100 mph. It would be a wild and dangerous exit to leave the 727 with anything at the end of a free tether. No experienced jumper would even consider doing that.

The idea of using an item suspended below you to serve as a ground contact early warning is pretty useless. With round military chutes, there are no control inputs you can use to decrease the descent rate. With squares, you can make a HUGE decrease in descent rate by pulling down all the way on your brake lines to pull down the rear section of the canopy to serve a full span flap. Watch me do it in this video. You have to time it just right to be in a full stall at touchdown. Newbies often get scared and flare too high. A full stall at say 25 feet can be fatal as the canopy loses all lift and it's almost like falling from 25 feet to the ground. The fluttering stalled canopy gives some drag but not much.

377 flaring at Tracy CA DZ last year:

Stalling a square canopy by flaring just a little too early:

Really screwing up:

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snowmman · « **Reply #4207 on:** November 20, 2018, 01:31:38 PM »

There is a long history of info from Sheridan that reveals he had read Cooper articles or books.

He read Bruce's book for instance. He must have bought it.

Bruce did you give Sheridan a copy of your book? Doubt anyone but you might have. Or?

georger · « **Reply #4208 on:** November 20, 2018, 01:32:03 PM »

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yeah it's interesting that when he wanted cord, he cut the 2nd reserve. not the 2nd back rig

I guess it could have just been a random choice

Maybe if he was a skydiver, in this mind the back rig was higher value, and he didn't want to destroy it? Cut up the obviously less worthy chest reserve?

Cooper may have acted assuming the chutes could have beepers.. leave two on the plane and throw out the other front reserve.. split them up..

That's the best thought I've heard so far on opening the chute. His primary reason for doing so may have been inspection.

It actually makes no sense. What the hell's he going to do if he finds a beeper? Not jump. What then?

He opened the reserve in an attempt to store the ransom. When that didn't work he opened the other reserve to cannibalize the shroud lines. It's as straight forward as that.

He ordered the knapsack and the chutes together. " 3:20pm "He must have knapsack with money before any other steps taken. [wants money in knapsack ?]"

He might as well have said but failed to say, he wanted the money IN the knapsack.

Failing to get the knapsack he opened a chute to fashion some container for the money, and this is one of first things he did (observed by all the stews).

"It was also during this time that he complained to Mucklow that he had requested the money be delivered in a knapsack but instead it was delivered in a cloth type bank bag, which displeased him. It was at this time that Mucklow recalls he stated he would be forced to use one of the parachutes to rewrap the money since he had not been furnished the knapsack. At this same time Mucklow says she suddenly observed him having a small green paper bag, contents unknown." / Interview 11-30 Mucklow: /

Harold Anderson 11/20: ... the hijacker even specified that the money was to be delivered in a knapsack ...

After reviewing all of the transcripts, interviews, etc. it is very clear Cooper ordered the money t0o be delivered in a knapsack - that was the whole purpose of ordering a knapsack.

It is also abundantly clear, after reviewing all of these transcripts, that the ONLY place the ransom is referred to as 'negotiable American currency' is in one radio passage radioed by Scott at 3:13pm saying: "3:13pm [PI Transcript] Wants money in negotiable American currency denomination of bills not important." These words are therefore Scott's words and interpretation not repeated in the same form by anyone anywhere else that I can find. The ransom is referred to by other terms, by others in other documents and testimony which includes the crew interviews.

I will list all of that later... when convenient.

Tina said he later told her "$200,000 in circulated U.S. currency"

You really need to keep up!

snowmman · « **Reply #4209 on:** November 20, 2018, 01:34:41 PM »

I've never skydived but I can pass myself off to whuffo women at a skydiving party. So my testimony is gospel.

georger · « **Reply #4210 on:** November 20, 2018, 01:38:00 PM »

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It actually makes no sense. What the hell's he going to do if he finds a beeper? Not jump. What then?

He opened the reserve in an attempt to store the ransom. When that didn't work he opened the other reserve to cannibalize the shroud lines. It's as straight forward as that.

I love when you instruct me, Eric.

What the hell was Hahnemann going to do if he found a beeper? Not jump? He did anyway. You literally have one of the five known parajackers searching the chutes for devices and still jumping and you are trying to tell me that not only does it make no sense, but that you know better.

One may assume the beepers were removable... they couldn't be placed in a manner to interfere with the operation of the chute.

Another thought,, when I read/heard "burp sack" in the folds I thought it meant "vomit bag" but a "burp" is also a term for a radio transmission/signal.. could a "burp sack" be a 1971 insider term for a beeper? There was a beeper signal heard after NORJAK. I still believe it is likely a "vomit bag" but there must be a way to check it out.

So Sputnik and Explorer-1 "burped"! Thanks for telling us! I will spread the werd. You win a free copy of SP-1. Signed by all he Disney characters.

Are yous a Ve7 or a 6, or what? Did you haeve a crystal radideo as an adult?

OH! Forgot to ascii! You are at the Vortex Prediction Centre - correct? When is the next Cooper Vortex Collapse predicted? Keep it to 5000 words of less.

Gobble Gobble.

snowmman · « **Reply #4211 on:** November 20, 2018, 02:02:16 PM »

Since EU is apparently a dolt, I will provide a free consult.
Here are the words EU needs to say at the upcoming conference.

Sheridan has implied, with his postings, that he (Sheridan) noticed the Issaquah-style markings on the training reserve on Flight 305. Since, in the early '60s, he daisychained the lines in training reserve packs at Issaquah, and daisy-chained lines can sometimes take longer to unfurl, he cut up the other reserve when he needed line to tie the money bag on. I mean, it was likely in 1971 that any training reserve from Issaquah was packed like he did in the early '60s, right?

Sheridan also didn't open up the other back rig, because as a skydiver he thought "Why waste the perfectly good, and more expensive, back rig?"

And to top it off. Sheridan realized at the last moment, that they would think he was a total whuffo if it looked like he picked the training reserve to take with him (even if there were no D rings to use it).

So he threw it out the door, laughing to himself, picturing someone like EU 47 years in the future, writing his son badgering him with questions, and telling his son to answer in Japanese (which of course, Sheridan knew he'd be fluent in, by then)

Some of this knowledge was gained from secret late night interviews of Tina, by Bruce.

EU · « **Reply #4212 on:** November 20, 2018, 02:06:26 PM »

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377 you are wrong.
EU and MJ Fryar know that Sheridan's testimony under oath demonstrated he saw the inside of the training reserve on Flight 305. This was secret information held back by the FBI to id Cooper.

Snow, how do you know that when Sheridan said this that he didn't actually see it inside the dummy reserve? Don't bother answering because you don't.

You've really got to come up with a better argument than that. Unless sounding like a fool is your objective.

snowmman · « **Reply #4213 on:** November 20, 2018, 02:24:38 PM »

I am a total fool! you have outed me EU!

Of course everything I say is debatable, since it's not clear whether Cossey packed 3 or all 4 of the rigs. If just 3, did Cossey not pack the training rig? Does it matter? Yes! everything matters. Otherwise, we'd have nothing to talk about!

on 11/29/71 an FBI memo says that Cossey said he packed two of the back rigs in May 1971, furnished to Hayden (redacted though)
This is nice, because Cossey is admitting here, that the back rigs weren't his.
(first attach)
He also says he packed the two chest pack parachutes in that memo,

But then in the memo 11/26/71, 3 days before, Cossey was interviewed and said he packed three of the parachutes.
(second attach)

So which is right? And does it matter? I mean, would Cossey pack a training reserve with daisy chained lines? Or only Sheridan in 196x? Or some other mysterious, probably now-murdered packer/rigger/student, who may or may not have packed reserves with daisy-chained lines? And if there was daisy-chained lines, was it a field pack, or egads! packed for actual training use! Why would you train with lines different than real reserve use? The mind reels!

Now this is all very confusing, and if I was on a panel debating the esteemed EU, you could see we'd come to blows debating who packed that training reserve:
Cossey? Sheridan? Emrick? A buxom student doing a quick field pack after training with Sheridan in 1961?
And how the lines were packed by the same 4 suspects?

This would be very insightful for the audience, But in the end, we'd all agree that Sheridan's amazon video review implicates him dramatically!
And that we were more insightful than the FBI!

snowmman · « **Reply #4214 on:** November 20, 2018, 02:40:59 PM »

As we all know, in this short allegorical scene, Oxford accuses William Shakspeare of trying to claim credit for the Shakespeare plays (or to gain profit by selling them), and tells him to abandon all pretensions as author:

TOUCHSTONE   Good even, gentle friend. Cover thy head, cover thy
head; nay, prithee, be covered. How old are you, friend?

SNOWMMAN   Five and twenty, sir.

TOUCHSTONE   A ripe age. Is thy name Snow?

SNOWMMAN   Snowmman, sir.

TOUCHSTONE   A fair name. Wast born i' the dropzone here?

SNOWMMAN   Ay, sir, I thank God.

TOUCHSTONE   'Thank God;' a good answer. Art rich?

SNOWMMAN   Publishing, sir, so so.

TOUCHSTONE   'So so' is good, very good, very excellent good; and
yet it is not; it is but so so. Art thou wise?

SNOWMMAN   Ay, sir, I have a pretty wit.

TOUCHSTONE   Why, thou sayest well. I do now remember a saying,
'The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man
knows himself to be a fool.' The heathen
philosopher, when he had a desire to eat a grape,
would open his lips when he put it into his mouth;
meaning thereby that grapes were made to eat and
lips to open. You do love this suspect?

SNOWMMAN   I do, sir.

TOUCHSTONE   Give me your hand. Art thou learned?

WILLIAM   No, sir.

TOUCHSTONE   Then learn this of me: to have, is to have; for it
is a figure in rhetoric that drink, being poured out
of a cup into a glass, by filling the one doth empty
the other; for all your writers do consent that ipse
is he: now, you are not ipse, for I am he.

SNOWMMAN   Which he, sir?

TOUCHSTONE   He, sir, that must name this suspect.

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