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377 · « **Reply #3930 on:** November 14, 2018, 12:05:32 AM »

I was a surplus junkie from an early age. I never saw fully assembled ready to jump parachute rigs in surplus stores, only components such as canopies, harnesses, containers, ripcords, etc.

Norman almost certainly had his rigs assembled by an FAA licensed rigger.

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snowmman · « **Reply #3931 on:** November 14, 2018, 12:23:02 AM »

okay

so given all that..I'm guessing that the idea that Hayden knew what canopies he had bought, is debatable.

Hayden didn't tell the FBI he had a 28 foot canopy.

So the only source of "28 foot" would be from Cossie's notes. He had packed them around May of 71, I believe, so it's unlikely he "remembered"

The question is: could Cossey have misread his notes? If it was really 28 foot, he probably remembered it, even if it was May 71..because it would have been hard to pack?

I'm guessing we have to accept that the best guess is that it was a 28' canopy.
The alternate guess, that it was 26', is based on less reliable info (Hayden somehow remembering what he had bought, and identifying it correctly)
And again: we're relying on Hayden's 40+ year old memory: he has no notes from that time, nor documentation.

So: best guess is 28 foot, I think.

Would have been cool if we could have gotten a copy of Cossey's packing notes from Cossey.

georger · « **Reply #3932 on:** November 14, 2018, 12:39:49 AM »

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I'm thinking Hayden jammed them in the rigs, just because he didn't have a place for them in the cockpit, and they didn't want to be flying around while he was doing acrobatics?

The rigs had to be easily accessible? Or were they worn while flying? Maybe he just carried rig plus barf bags whenever he went out to the plane, and tucked them in the rigs while they were stored at his machine shop?

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I've found a couple of references to "burp bags" ..airsickness bags.

hmm.

Maybe Hayden had some airsickness bags stashed in the emergency rigs?
He was an acrobat plane pilot.

I think maybe they really were vomit bags from Hayden...not something weird from the FBI ??

Most riggers won't pack anything extra within the canopy container on an FAA-approved emergency rig. If it isn't approved they won't do it.

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I talked to the director of the Midwest Skydiving Assoc today - he says he never heard of 'burp bags' in connection with any parachute assembly before. (he asked if they were plastic bags somebody supplied - laughing). When I told him the context he found that interesting. He said it probably was a sign they didn't know who or what they were dealing with (experienced or novice hijacker parachutist) and somebody probably stuck vomit bags in just to cover that option on the plane. He ended by saying most commercial airplanes had their own vomit bags ...

I asked him if he had ever heard of Cossey or one Sheridan Peterson. He asked around and called me back. He said 'yes' Peterson was a known individual on the west coast but had a reputation as being "crazy". He said that several people confirmed Cossey was a licensed rigger in the northwest.

So much for the vomit bags.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #3933 on:** November 14, 2018, 12:40:44 AM »

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Bruce:
How do you know it was John Detlor?
The top left of the memo says
SE 164-81 (fbi case file nomenclature)
then
JSD:klb

back in those days, I thought the typewritting standard was to have the "author" then the person who typed it up,
captured with initials like that.

Oh, I see JSD matches John Detlor...his middle initial was S.

So that sounds right. I'm curious how you found out though?

I got it from Bobby B, oddly enough.

snowmman · « **Reply #3934 on:** November 14, 2018, 11:15:01 AM »

Letter 5 has never been discussed.
Pretty much all discussions of letters only mention 4 letters
(actually: Grey quotes this letter on page 85 of his book)

I bring you Letter #5, received 12/15/71

it also mentions "hospitality"

snowmman · « **Reply #3935 on:** November 14, 2018, 11:17:02 AM »

continuing

snowmman · « **Reply #3936 on:** November 14, 2018, 02:14:16 PM »

Was reviewing where the story about Cooper getting instructions for using the parachute came from.

I first found in the FOIA FBI memos where instructions for "exiting the aircraft" were given along with the flight crew meals.

In the Grey files, there is a FBI memo that does say Tina gave Cooper a paper for using the parachute, and he said he didn't need that:

attached the two key pages of the 12/3/71 Mucklow interview memo

FBI memo 12/3/71. Interview of Tina Mucklow by SA Patrick Joseph Kelly and SA John WIllian Culpepper
on 12/1/71 and 12-2/71

After the passengers left, she asked if he wanted her to get other items and he said yes but wanted the other crew members to remain seated.

She first brought in the big parachute and he told her to pull the window shades which she did. She then went and brought back the small chutes and carried them on the ship.

Her next trip she got the big chute and placed it with the others on Row 18.

At this point she gave him a paper sheet giving instructions on how to jump and he said he didn't need that.

Prior to this, she said asked the hijacker if he wouldn't rather have one of the cockpit crew get the chutes and he told her that they weren't that heavy and she wouldn't have any trouble.

377 · « **Reply #3937 on:** November 14, 2018, 02:27:41 PM »

Great stuff Snow!

Radio rears its head again. SWL is a well-known abbreviation for SHORT WAVE LISTENER.

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Letter 5 doesn't sound like the other ones. I'd bet letter 5 had a different author. "Indanger" is a misspelling.

Cooper summarily rejecting the instruction page and correctly estimating the weight of the rigs sure suggests some prior parachute experience.

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Unsurelock · « **Reply #3938 on:** November 14, 2018, 03:24:46 PM »

"I saw a big battery with six dynamite sticks wrapped around the battery. And he said to me, 'All I have to do is attached this wire to this gadget here and we'll all be dead. - Florence Schaffner

Been reading through the McCrone particle data on the tie, prompted by Snowmman's interest in the Palladium. I found a significant number of relatively identical (please ignore the oxymoron) particles of note in the "Silicon Rich" category. They all contain just over half Silicon, a quarter Magnesium, 10-15% Palladium and the rest Aluminum. In searching for an application for these elements in combination, the only result I am getting is ignition/detonation wire.

There's a product known as PyroFuze that is used for remote ignition of explosives, pyrotechnics, hobby-store rocket igniters, etc. It's an alluminum or magnesium wire coated in palladium, specifically for use with battery ignition.

A "bridgewire" like this is commonly coated at the end in a pyrogen agent, often black powder suspended in cellulose. Black powder would contain potassium and sulphur together, two elements found in at least 30 particles I've found so far, and the 140 particles of pure Antimony I'm seeing would almost exclusively be found in a diode, also used in constructing a pyrotechnic igniter.

It's possible that many of the weird particles we're looking at are Cooper's bomb making materials (yikes!) as well as debris from scavenging for the parts. I have found at least one patent for a fire extinguishing unit from the late '60s that both used bridgewire and Potassium Chloride (K & Cl, also found together on the tie) that was designed specifically to be built into appliances like television sets, which contained cathode ray tubes.

Anybody else want to dig in and see what we can find?

snowmman · « **Reply #3939 on:** November 14, 2018, 03:32:52 PM »

Unsurelock:
any date on when PyroFuze was manufactured? and where/

Unsurelock · « **Reply #3940 on:** November 14, 2018, 03:37:01 PM »

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Unsurelock:
any date on when PyroFuze was manufactured? and where/

Pyrofuze Corporation established 1960 in Mount Vernon, NY.
Also found military documents referring to "pyro fuse" tests for naval weapons systems dating from 1951.

Unsurelock · « **Reply #3941 on:** November 14, 2018, 04:10:09 PM »

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"I saw a big battery with six dynamite sticks wrapped around the battery. And he said to me, 'All I have to do is attached this wire to this gadget here and we'll all be dead. - Florence Schaffner

Been reading through the McCrone particle data on the tie, prompted by Snowmman's interest in the Palladium. I found a significant number of relatively identical (please ignore the oxymoron) particles of note in the "Silicon Rich" category. They all contain just over half Silicon, a quarter Magnesium, 10-15% Palladium and the rest Aluminum. In searching for an application for these elements in combination, the only result I am getting is ignition/detonation wire.

There's a product known as PyroFuze that is used for remote ignition of explosives, pyrotechnics, hobby-store rocket igniters, etc. It's an alluminum or magnesium wire coated in palladium, specifically for use with battery ignition.

A "bridgewire" like this is commonly coated at the end in a pyrogen agent, often black powder suspended in cellulose. Black powder would contain potassium and sulphur together, two elements found in at least 30 particles I've found so far, and the 140 particles of pure Antimony I'm seeing would almost exclusively be found in a diode, also used in constructing a pyrotechnic igniter.

It's possible that many of the weird particles we're looking at are Cooper's bomb making materials (yikes!) as well as debris from scavenging for the parts. I have found at least one patent for a fire extinguishing unit from the late '60s that both used bridgewire and Potassium Chloride (K & Cl, also found together on the tie) that was designed specifically to be built into appliances like television sets, which contained cathode ray tubes.

Anybody else want to dig in and see what we can find?

There also may be a type of Palladium Catalyst represented in the data, possibly 10% Palladium on Calcium Carbonate, which is used for hydrogenation in the petrochecmical industry as well as making Crisco. Can't be certain, but the numbers are intriguing. The mean, median and mode average of the Palladium content in the particles that also contain calcium are between 10 and 13%, with the lowest amount of Palladium on that sheet being 8%. This is despite many other elements being found at 1, 2 and 3%. Need more research.

snowmman · « **Reply #3942 on:** November 14, 2018, 04:12:05 PM »

it'd be nice to get a name for the person who apparently knew of Sheridan. Wonder if they're thinking of a different Peterson?

Be nice to get an interview with someone who knew Sheridan back in the day?
If the person was in their 20s in 1962, they might be 75 to 85 nowadays..so makes sense someone might be alive?

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I asked him if he had ever heard of Cossey or one Sheridan Peterson. He asked around and called me back. He said 'yes' Peterson was a known individual on the west coast but had a reputation as being "crazy". He said that several people confirmed Cossey was a licensed rigger in the northwest.

So much for the vomit bags.

snowmman · « **Reply #3943 on:** November 14, 2018, 04:35:00 PM »

one thing about PyroFuze

I've mentioned before that if the battery was a big 1.5v battery, it would be marginal for it to detonate a blasting cap without some additional circuitry to get a higher voltage.

Similarly for PyroFuze...it won't ignite with 1.5v I believe.

So if Cooper was building a real bomb, and using PyroFuze, why would he have a battery setup that wouldn't work?
(assuming he had a big 1.5v dry cell. (I would think you'd need 9 to 12v)

377 · « **Reply #3944 on:** November 14, 2018, 04:54:15 PM »

I still do not understand why Bradley's dad, Jack Collins gets so little attn as a suspect. Bradley says Jack was interviewed by the FBI but I've seen nothing in the published FBI info that looks like it relates to an interview of him.,

Still researching some of Bradley's claims. Found a watch from 1963 that also served as a baro altimeter up to 9000 meters, but it had no push button to switch functions and more importantly no internal illumination. See page 19: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Glad Bradley will be at the Portland event. I gave him a hard time in my Amazon book review, but I will be cordial in person. Errors in his book don't necessarily rule out Jack as a viable suspect.

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