There is an FBI memo where they talked about analyzing under the tie knot for dust or something.
Not sure if that analysis was ever done.

Yeah it's weird they extracted DNA from the tie but nothing else. I suppose they didn't think anything else would provide useful evidence, when they did the DNA

Tom did all the experiments with money in the wild

Why not put a tie in the wild

Take a new tie...SEM it and get the element distribution
Then go rub your hand in various surface soils in the Northwest..Use your fingers to straighten your tie, depositing shit on it.
Then analyze that result

I mean...try to emulate what a maybe 7 year old tie might accumulate on it

BECAUSE people don't wash clip-on ties...So if manufacture in '63 to '65 time frame (speculative based on patents) ..then it's got 6 to 8 years of shit on it, from wherever Cooper travelled with the tie on or in his pocket, whatever.

Flares produce their light through the combustion of a pyrotechnic composition. The ingredients are varied, but often based on strontium nitrate, potassium nitrate, or potassium perchlorate and mixed with a fuel such as charcoal, sulfur, sawdust, aluminium, magnesium, or a suitable polymeric resin.

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This page has a table showing percentage of stuff in flares from different manufacturers

Different companies use different compositons when manufacturing road flares, so it is impossible to give a specific answer for the flare in your hand.  However, they do tend to have similar compositions, and so a generalized answer is possible.

Common ingredients:
 
Strontium nitrate   
Potassium nitrate        
Potassium perchlorate
Sulfur
Charcoal       
Sawdust
Aluminum flake
Magnesium
Red gum               
Epoxy resin   
Shellac   
Dextrin   
Parlon

Note that every composition contains strontium nitrate (Sr(NO3)2).  That is because the strontium is responsible for either a red or red-orange color.   However, strontium nitrate is not a great oxidizer - a mixture of Sr(NO3)2 and a fuel will hardly burn.   So a better oxidizer such as potassium perchlorate or potassium nitrate or an energetic fuel such as aluminum or magnesium is added to give the extra energy needed for a fast combustion.

The rest of the components are either fuels, or a compound that serves as a combination fuel and binder, or parlon which is a binder but not really a fuel.

Some older flare formulations also had things such as pitch, asphalt, wax, tallow, potassium chlorate and black powder.   Those are not likely to be part of modern flare formulations.

I was also expecting that if Cooper handled the explosives/flares with his hands, and then straightened his tie or put it on, that traces from the flares would be on the tie.. Was wondering about the element distribution in road flares. Or railroad flares. Or even real dynamite.

Interesting: a skydiver jumping at night in the '60s probably used normal auto road flares when they say they jumped with flares? 377: do you know

Sheridan did night jumps with flares. At the very least, it could put the idea in your head

The skydiver flares I saw were not fusee road flares. They were shorter fatter and put out a different color of light. PARAGEAR sold them along with smoke devices. Special boot brackets for made to hold pyrotechnics. These were also sold by the same company. They might still sell them as they are still in business today.  I think they have an online catalog.

377

In 1962, do you think skydivers used something called "skydiver flares" or road flares

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I was also expecting that if Cooper handled the explosives/flares with his hands, and then straightened his tie or put it on, that traces from the flares would be on the tie.. Was wondering about the element distribution in road flares. Or railroad flares. Or even real dynamite.

Interesting: a skydiver jumping at night in the '60s probably used normal auto road flares when they say they jumped with flares? 377: do you know

Sheridan did night jumps with flares. At the very least, it could put the idea in your head

The skydiver flares I saw were not fusee road flares. They were shorter fatter and put out a different color of light. PARAGEAR sold them along with smoke devices. Special boot brackets for made to hold pyrotechnics. These were also sold by the same company. They might still sell them as they are still in business today.  I think they have an online catalog.

377

Tom did all the experiments with money in the wild

Why not put a tie in the wild

Take a new tie...SEM it and get the element distribution
Then go rub your hand in various surface soils in the Northwest..Use your fingers to straighten your tie, depositing shit on it.
Then analyze that result

I mean...try to emulate what a maybe 7 year old tie might accumulate on it

BECAUSE people don't wash clip-on ties...So if manufacture in '63 to '65 time frame (speculative based on patents) ..then it's got 6 to 8 years of shit on it, from wherever Cooper travelled with the tie on or in his pocket, whatever.

Started trying to go in that direction below. Got shot down immediately.

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Tom Kaye showed *the tie* *might* have been exposed to its odd collection of particles in an environment *like* Tek. (I think Kaye focused on Tek because it was in the PacNW, however there's an entire world filled with chemical/CRT factories).

Does anybody know if there was a "control tie" tested? Like getting an old tie from a garage sale and testing it alongside the Cooper tie for particles of...anything? Or perhaps cloth of any kind that was stored in the same environment to check for similarities?

No. No real need to. Unless you want to compare it with a tie from ??  Chernobyl?

There is an FBI memo where they talked about analyzing under the tie knot for dust or something.
Not sure if that analysis was ever done.

Yeah it's weird they extracted DNA from the tie but nothing else. I suppose they didn't think anything else would provide useful evidence, when they did the DNA

Who is directing/requesting these tests, at different times. Following what protocols? What fool would try to pull prints off the old money, using destructive method no less! 

good point about the money testing georger. Yes I thought it was crazy when I found out the black/purple bills were from silver nitrate used for fingerprint testing.

I think you were the one who posted that, when you guys analyzed the money and found silver. So crazy.

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There is an FBI memo where they talked about analyzing under the tie knot for dust or something.
Not sure if that analysis was ever done.

Yeah it's weird they extracted DNA from the tie but nothing else. I suppose they didn't think anything else would provide useful evidence, when they did the DNA

Who is directing/requesting these tests, at different times. Following what protocols? What fool would try to pull prints off the old money, using destructive method no less!