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...I was trying to point you guys in the right direction...

I just LOVE being pointed in the right direction. AH....

Schaffner said to Geoff Gray when he asked her why Tina refused to discuss the hijacking. Schaffner replied: "She's hiding something..." But Schaffner couldn't say what it was.

DING DING DING..

Reminds me of Hal Holbrook as Deepthroat in one of my top 5 films... All the Presidents Men... so I guess im Redford.....

I digress...... Ok, I'll step up to plate and play !!!!!   Now, if Tina were hiding something... one thing it could be, is she may have been led to beleive, that this was a special sanctioned operation for future flight security reasons to see how the entire system would respond, and it is top secret... or, something similar where she wouldn't disclose anything publicly, as its matter of national security... She was young, and perhaps gullible....   OR.. she could have been threatened off, and was spooked and scared, not to get overly talkative about the caper....if Hahneman were involved, and lived near her as you say, then he could have learned personal info on her and threatened her family members to her....       Bruce has good theories on the later part of her life, with mind control... very possible...         What says you, Deepthroat, er, Flyjack ?   

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...I was trying to point you guys in the right direction...

I just LOVE being pointed in the right direction. AH....

Schaffner said to Geoff Gray when he asked her why Tina refused to discuss the hijacking. Schaffner replied: "She's hiding something..." But Schaffner couldn't say what it was.

DING DING DING..

Reminds me of Hal Holbrook as Deepthroat in one of my top 5 films... All the Presidents Men... so I guess im Redford.....

I digress...... Ok, I'll step up to plate and play !!!!!   Now, if Tina were hiding something... one thing it could be, is she may have been led to beleive, that this was a special sanctioned operation for future flight security reasons to see how the entire system would respond, and it is top secret... or, something similar where she wouldn't disclose anything publicly, as its matter of national security... She was young, and perhaps gullible....   OR.. she could have been threatened off, and was spooked and scared, not to get overly talkative about the caper....if Hahneman were involved, and lived near her as you say, then he could have learned personal info on her and threatened her family members to her....       Bruce has good theories on the later part of her life, with mind control... very possible...         What says you, Deepthroat, er, Flyjack ?   

no, it is much simpler.. no mind control, abuse or such nonsense and it has nothing to do with Hahneman. I am surprised nobody has figured it out.

This topic should be here...

I have this figured out but need to double check my homework.. there may be info that I can't find.

NOT disputing that rubber bands/fragments were seen on the money by Brian. I believe he did.


As far I can tell, the only "evidence" of the rubber bands is the Ingram statements.. and they crumbled.

Is that correct? No photos or samples kept and no evidence of the EXACT rubber band/fragment location?

Did the parents see rubber bands or was it only Brian? were they relaying what Brian saw?

and did any of them CLEARLY identify the EXACT location of the rubber bands on the money?

"around the bundles" IS not clear


If anyone thinks this is settled then ignore this comment.

BTW..
Snowmman said on DZ "They said only one bundle (package) was missing rubber bands." is there a source for this?

Flyjack, as has been pointed out to you several times before, you need to visit TK's web page and see what he has done on the matter of the money and everything else.

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This topic should be here...

I have this figured out but need to double check my homework.. there may be info that I can't find.

NOT disputing that rubber bands/fragments were seen on the money by Brian. I believe he did.


As far I can tell, the only "evidence" of the rubber bands is the Ingram statements.. and they crumbled.

Is that correct? No photos or samples kept and no evidence of the EXACT rubber band/fragment location?

Did the parents see rubber bands or was it only Brian? were they relaying what Brian saw?

and did any of them CLEARLY identify the EXACT location of the rubber bands on the money?

"around the bundles" IS not clear


If anyone thinks this is settled then ignore this comment.

BTW..
Snowmman said on DZ "They said only one bundle (package) was missing rubber bands." is there a source for this?

Flyjack, as has been pointed out to you several times before, you need to visit TK's web page and see what he has done on the matter of the money and everything else.

I have, it doesn't resolve this.

Moreover, I find the dominant theory that the 3 TBAR bundles (packages) were completely individually rubber banded is not supported by the evidence or logic.

Without going into detail, it is more likely from evidence and logic that the rubber band fragments found by Brian were from rubber bands wrapped around the group of 3 packages. Two packages had rubber band fragments stuck to them.

I am looking for any evidence that contradicts this, I can't find it. Not on Kaye's site.. not anywhere.. it may be out there?

I have seen contradicting reports about whether the serial numbers were recorded by the FBI, or by bank employees.  Is there a consensus on which is correct?

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This topic should be here...

I have this figured out but need to double check my homework.. there may be info that I can't find.

NOT disputing that rubber bands/fragments were seen on the money by Brian. I believe he did.


As far I can tell, the only "evidence" of the rubber bands is the Ingram statements.. and they crumbled.

Is that correct? No photos or samples kept and no evidence of the EXACT rubber band/fragment location?

Did the parents see rubber bands or was it only Brian? were they relaying what Brian saw?

and did any of them CLEARLY identify the EXACT location of the rubber bands on the money?

"around the bundles" IS not clear


If anyone thinks this is settled then ignore this comment.

BTW..
Snowmman said on DZ "They said only one bundle (package) was missing rubber bands." is there a source for this?

Flyjack, as has been pointed out to you several times before, you need to visit TK's web page and see what he has done on the matter of the money and everything else.

I have, it doesn't resolve this.

Moreover, I find the dominant theory that the 3 TBAR bundles (packages) were completely individually rubber banded is not supported by the evidence or logic.

Without going into detail, it is more likely from evidence and logic that the rubber band fragments found by Brian were from rubber bands wrapped around the group of 3 packages. Two packages had rubber band fragments stuck to them.

I am looking for any evidence that contradicts this, I can't find it. Not on Kaye's site.. not anywhere.. it may be out there?

I have seen contradicting reports about whether the serial numbers were recorded by the FBI, or by bank employees.  Is there a consensus on which is correct?

The bank had control of the money and recorded the serial numbers by running the bills through a microfilm machine.  That is, the bills came from the bank's contingency fund (which had been set up previously at the request of the FBI).  This fund had been previously massaged to include bills from only three years and all the bills had previously been in circulation and were not in any serial order.  The whole point was to give the impression that the bills were totally random and that the serial numbers had not been recorded.

The bank put the bills for Cooper in rubber bands and different size bundles in an effort to give the impression of the ransom money having been collected in a rush.  But I understand that the bills for Cooper were run through the microfilm machine a second time before being placed in the bag that was given to Cooper.

The ransom was reportedly picked up at the bank by a Seattle police detective who delivered it to NWA and then drove the car with Al Lee and the parachutes and money out to the airliner.  Presumably, the FBI did not have anything to do with the money except maybe at the bank.

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This topic should be here...

I have this figured out but need to double check my homework.. there may be info that I can't find.

NOT disputing that rubber bands/fragments were seen on the money by Brian. I believe he did.


As far I can tell, the only "evidence" of the rubber bands is the Ingram statements.. and they crumbled.

Is that correct? No photos or samples kept and no evidence of the EXACT rubber band/fragment location?

Did the parents see rubber bands or was it only Brian? were they relaying what Brian saw?

and did any of them CLEARLY identify the EXACT location of the rubber bands on the money?

"around the bundles" IS not clear


If anyone thinks this is settled then ignore this comment.

BTW..
Snowmman said on DZ "They said only one bundle (package) was missing rubber bands." is there a source for this?

Flyjack, as has been pointed out to you several times before, you need to visit TK's web page and see what he has done on the matter of the money and everything else.

I have, it doesn't resolve this.

Moreover, I find the dominant theory that the 3 TBAR bundles (packages) were completely individually rubber banded is not supported by the evidence or logic.

Without going into detail, it is more likely from evidence and logic that the rubber band fragments found by Brian were from rubber bands wrapped around the group of 3 packages. Two packages had rubber band fragments stuck to them.

I am looking for any evidence that contradicts this, I can't find it. Not on Kaye's site.. not anywhere.. it may be out there?

I have seen contradicting reports about whether the serial numbers were recorded by the FBI, or by bank employees.  Is there a consensus on which is correct?

The bank recorded the serial numbers on micro for a "special stash" of $250,000 ($10's and $20's) prior to the hijacking. The FBI took the serial numbers of the remaining bills and curated the list to determine which bills Cooper got vs left behind. The bill list curation by the FBI was complex and clumsy and they admitted trouble doing it. Ultimately they listed 9998 $20 bills they believe went to Cooper. IMO, they made an error curating the list and I think think I figured out their mistake resulting in 2 bills short but that error may be inconsequential to the case.

I'm assuming that knowledge about the "special stash" would have been something that was only officially shared with FBI personnel, and a small number of people at the bank branch in question (but could possibly have slipped out over drinks, or something).  Does that sound right?  The reason that I ask is that I always wonder about the dollar amounts in things like this.  I would have no idea how much money could be put together on short notice.  So, I wouldn't know what to ask for.  If I did know how much the FBI has asked the bank to put aside in that slush fund though, I would probably ask for a ransom that was close to that amount, but not exact.  If Cooper had some way of knowing about the $250k slush fund, that would also mean that he would know that the bills had been marked, and would have planned to offload them somewhere far from the Pacific Northwest.

Fly jack. I am interested in your idea. Please share I want to know

Flyjack. Regarding the crew involvement would like to know what your thinking is