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Offline Shutter

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2565 on: February 03, 2018, 04:36:20 PM »
Once you have the right length of hair, you need the right kind of hair product. Greasers of the 50s and 60s got their signature look by using pomades, and that’s what you’ll need to use, too. Pomades are a mixture of wax and other ingredients, but to achieve the true greaser look, you’ll want a pomade with a high oil content—not a water based pomade. It will make your hair feel pretty, well, greasy, but that’s the idea.


any of that on the tie?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2566 on: February 03, 2018, 06:12:20 PM »
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2567 on: February 04, 2018, 01:10:14 AM »
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since nobody knows, it's all speculation about Cooper..they can't even get a profile of him..we don't know if he survived?

the color I use is brown, I know people who use black, blonde etc...none give a shinny coat...the people i see with "shinny hair" are spanish..they are all over the place down here...remember the greaser's from the 50's...wasn't hair dye that did that...

As a woman, I’m going to continue to hold my ground on this.  Hair dye coats the follicles and makes hair shinier.  There are all sorts of conditioners in these products too that help improve the look, especially in the first few days after dying the hair. (After a couple of shampoos, the shine fades, which may be why you never noticed it.  But s woman would notice it, especially on a man.)

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Also, everyone knows what Brylcreem and pomade are.  I don’t believe any of the eyewitnesses referred to Cooper as having “slicked back” or “greased back” hair.  Did they?   That would be an important distinction. A woman would never refer to the greaser look as being “very shiny”. 

We should get clarification from Bill Mitchell on his hair description, as his comments differed from everyone else.  I think Mitchell said Cooper had awful hair, but didn’t explain why it was awful.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2568 on: February 04, 2018, 01:15:52 AM »
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But s woman would notice it, especially on a man.

all 3 of the main witnesses are women, so why didn't they spot this?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2569 on: February 04, 2018, 01:19:00 AM »
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We should get clarification from Bill Mitchell on his hair description,

Mitchell is is unreliable at this point..he goes all over the board when questioned, or states he no longer remembers...
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2570 on: February 04, 2018, 01:24:10 AM »
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-He had brown eyes (Schaffner saw his eyes before he put on the glasses, he looked directly at her several times urging her to read the note)

 -He is 5'10 to 6'1 (Mucklow is 5'8 and spent 5 hours with Cooper, she would know if he was her height or taller. Have someone 5'8 stand next to someone 6 feet, the difference is obvious. Better yet, position yourself at a level of 5'8 and look at someone at a 6' elevation. Now spend 5 hours with that person, you'll know the difference. No one put Cooper under 5'10.

-He had olive skin (no make-up, neither Mucklow, Schaffner or Hancock made comment on make-up which would have been very obvious. Again, do the math, put dark makeup on someone then sit next to them with your shoulders touching, you can see the make-up.)

-He had dark hair, receding with sideburns (no wig, this would have been painfully obvious, if a man was wearing a wig with a receding hair line and side burns everyone would have noticed, especially Mucklow and Schaffner.)
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2571 on: February 04, 2018, 01:26:52 AM »
If your willing to accept that these individuals were not able to obtain basic physical identifiers for Cooper then he could have been of any race, any height and any weight. The description came from many who saw him, not just Schaffner and Mucklow. Several passengers sat near Cooper and noticed him because of his actions. They reported a physical description of Cooper as Schaffner and Mucklow. As did the ticket agent in Portland.

Under the "trust no I-witness" philosophy, there is no base of fact to go from, maybe he was actually a she? Where do you stop? there has to be a baseline of fact, you simply cannot conduct an effective investigation if every human being is a suspect.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2572 on: February 04, 2018, 01:30:36 AM »
When you go back and look at your investigation to date, I think you'll find many of the reported facts that your basing some of your investigative theory on are actually theoretical fact (he wore makeup, he had a wig.....)

The physical description I provided is a reported fact. No matter how much you would like to change it you simply can't throw it out and replace it with theoretical fact so it fits your suspect. If you do, your investigation is doomed to fail.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2573 on: February 04, 2018, 02:08:47 AM »
The latest letter, is this suppose to be from Rackstraw?

The letter states he's not a "boasting man" but feels compelled to write a letter to the FBI "boasting"
Then you have the perfect law abiding citizen who has never even got a speeding ticket taking a chance with the letter to the FBI? this would seem to be a person who would be afraid of doing 31 in a 30 mph zone...then "boasting" something he doesn't do about wearing a wig & make-up and leaving no prints..then signing the letter DB Cooper vs Dan Cooper..

why haven't any of these letters ever stated something only the hijacker would of known, or enclose a $20 with the letter? isn't that how they knew the Zodiac killer was sending letters?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2574 on: February 04, 2018, 09:38:11 AM »
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When you go back and look at your investigation to date, I think you'll find many of the reported facts that your basing some of your investigative theory on are actually theoretical fact (he wore makeup, he had a wig.....)

The physical description I provided is a reported fact. No matter how much you would like to change it you simply can't throw it out and replace it with theoretical fact so it fits your suspect. If you do, your investigation is doomed to fail.]


First, there are discrepancies with the eyewitness descriptions.  Flo said his BLACK hair was straight, Tina said his DARK BROWN hair was straight, and Mr Gregory said his hair was marcelled, which is very curly.  I can’t remember who referred to it as “very shiny”, but i am taking his/her word for it. The point I’m making is that the “basic description” is really just a compilation of multiple witnesses accounts.    They don’t know the color of his hair or his suit, so both are now referred to as “dark”.

More importantly, I am NOT saying the dark brown/Black “very shiny” hair was an incorrect observation.  I am merely suggesting a reason for WHY the hair was very shiny.  It is an interesting observation for women to make, as they would never refer to dirty or brylcreamed hair as “very shiny”. 

I am saying we should CONSIDER THR POSSIBILITY of Cooper having dyed his hair and wearing brown piercing contacts as a disguise before elimination of possible blue-eyed subjects, grey-haired suspects.

Also, I agree he probably did not wear s toupee, as a cheap one would have been noticeable.  But an expensive one is a possibility.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2575 on: February 04, 2018, 09:45:57 AM »
I don’t believe Rackstraw is the guy.  I agree with Bruce Smith that DB is someone we’ve yet to hear about.

You make good points about the 5th letter.  I don’t think the writer was boasting.  I think he may have spent a week reading and watching news accounts of his escape and couldn’t resist telling the FBI that the sketch was all wrong.  (Something Flo agrees with.)

He did mention in the letter that no prints were left on the plane. 

I’m not convinced that the 5th letter is legit.  I’m just intrigued by the tone of it. It’s well-written, unlike the absurd core four letters.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2576 on: February 04, 2018, 09:52:41 AM »
It's possible he was dying his hair for a while..if it was a different color, like blonde or red, he would have to do the eyebrow's as well..I just don't think he went to this extreme..it is possible though..

 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2577 on: February 04, 2018, 09:58:19 AM »
How do you know if Cooper didn't leave any prints?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2578 on: February 04, 2018, 10:08:41 AM »
I’ve read multiple reports that the FBI is unsure that the prints they got from the plane were left by the hijacker.  Those prints could have been left by a previous passenger.  No way to tell. 

DB was pretty careful.  He did remember to get the letter back from Flo and the matchbook back from Tina.

 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2579 on: February 04, 2018, 10:21:35 AM »
correct, but the FBI wouldn't hold onto the prints unless they believed they could be Cooper's...same for the DNA...some believe they still have the butts...If Cooper never had a criminal record, or wasn't in the service his prints would be clean unless he was caught...

It's rather easy for someone to write these letters saying things to make it appear to be legit..the whole purpose of the letters are to try and prove they were from Cooper, so why not actually give some hard proof as verification?

I also believe if the Government had anything to do with this crime they would of never allowed it to drag on for decades..