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« Reply #375 on: May 03, 2021, 01:55:03 PM »
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And just to mention one other fact, there were parachutes reported all over the place. The FBI details several parachutes found around rivers from the northern tip of the dropzone to the Columbia.
This is interesting. Still, finding a parachute at the same location as the money find is very compelling evidence.

I wish I could look at Sonderlind’s calculations. I’ve long believed that the dropzone could extend all the way south to the Columbia but have no solid evidence to support it. I’d love to know how he arrived at that conclusion.

. . . Soderlind’s calculations/ Soderlind speaking.  Note how his name is spelled.  Paul Soderlind.
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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #376 on: May 03, 2021, 02:01:51 PM »
... map accompanying above 302 ...
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #377 on: May 03, 2021, 03:25:51 PM »
That map seems to show the dropzone ending near Orchards at the south, not the river. I wonder why the memo says one thing, but the map indicates another. Perhaps the map is the original that requires amending with Soderlind's calculations.

BTW, thanks for the spelling correction on his name, G.
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #378 on: May 03, 2021, 05:15:36 PM »
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...Galen and Richard found a pilot chute snared on a wing dam in about ten feet of water about a half mile south/upstream of T-Bar.

Is it known the condition of this pilot chute? The type of rig Cooper jumped, the parts do not disassemble without tools or undoing a larks head knot. Was the bottom of it torn off, was there a piece of broken bridle, was there a bridle and a piece of torn canopy...? There should also be a metal spring in it.

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And just to mention one other fact, there were parachutes reported all over the place. The FBI details several parachutes found around rivers from the northern tip of the dropzone to the Columbia.

Same question, is it known the condition of these? I can imagine people using old canopies for shade at campsites, but there would be no pilot chute/bridle at one end or lines/harness/container at the other. Kind of odd to imagine people randomly jumping into these areas and leaving gear behind.
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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #379 on: May 03, 2021, 05:41:41 PM »
I don't have an answer for ya, Dude Man. But I'll ask Galen soon.
 

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« Reply #380 on: May 03, 2021, 07:46:45 PM »
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...Galen and Richard found a pilot chute snared on a wing dam in about ten feet of water about a half mile south/upstream of T-Bar.

Is it known the condition of this pilot chute? The type of rig Cooper jumped, the parts do not disassemble without tools or undoing a larks head knot. Was the bottom of it torn off, was there a piece of broken bridle, was there a bridle and a piece of torn canopy...? There should also be a metal spring in it.

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And just to mention one other fact, there were parachutes reported all over the place. The FBI details several parachutes found around rivers from the northern tip of the dropzone to the Columbia.

Same question, is it known the condition of these? I can imagine people using old canopies for shade at campsites, but there would be no pilot chute/bridle at one end or lines/harness/container at the other. Kind of odd to imagine people randomly jumping into these areas and leaving gear behind.

I believe this so-called "pilot chute" has been discussed at some length before here and it appears not to be a "pilot chute", as part of an emergency parachute rig, but rather a parachute that is part of an artillery flare assembly.

It should be noted that the Yakima Training Center, which is adjacent to the city of Yakima and also borders on the Columbia River, is/was used by the Army personnel at Fort Lewis/McChord for live artillery firing including night time firing that used artillery flares.  These flare parachutes could have easily found their way into the Columbia River and then downstream.

So don't jump to any conclusions about this "pilot chute" having anything to do with the Cooper hijacking.

I'm sure that anyone who has any knowledge of emergency parachute pilot chutes could eliminate a flare parachute in a matter of seconds.
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« Reply #381 on: May 03, 2021, 08:21:34 PM »
I’ve seen a lot of chute stuff used by boaters, sailors snd fishermen. Use of specialized small military surplus  canopies is common for trolling drogues, sea anchors etc. Common ones include surplus sonobuoy canopies, cargo pilot chutes and mine laying canopies. Occasionally I’d see MA1 pilot chutes used but they rot very fast in sunlight. I used mine laying canopies as trolling drogues on commercial fishing boats. Drogues are used to reduce power boat speed when it’s going too fast even at idle. The mine chutes had far more robust construction than pilot chutes for personnel canopies. They could last for several years of UV exposure.

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #382 on: May 03, 2021, 08:32:07 PM »
Guess who supplied a C 130 jumpship to the World Free Fall Convention in 1990? Southern Air Transport. Lots of mixing between jumpers and the covert air ops community. N908SJ was the FAA reg number.

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #383 on: May 03, 2021, 11:43:14 PM »
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That map seems to show the dropzone ending near Orchards at the south, not the river. I wonder why the memo says one thing, but the map indicates another. Perhaps the map is the original that requires amending with Soderlind's calculations.

BTW, thanks for the spelling correction on his name, G.

Soderlind/NWO issued two 'search maps' to try and help find Cooper. The first on 12/4/71 and a second using the LaCenter map on 1-9-72. 
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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #384 on: May 03, 2021, 11:47:35 PM »
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That map seems to show the dropzone ending near Orchards at the south, not the river. I wonder why the memo says one thing, but the map indicates another. Perhaps the map is the original that requires amending with Soderlind's calculations.

BTW, thanks for the spelling correction on his name, G.

and 1-9-72
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #385 on: May 04, 2021, 12:09:39 AM »
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That map seems to show the dropzone ending near Orchards at the south, not the river. I wonder why the memo says one thing, but the map indicates another. Perhaps the map is the original that requires amending with Soderlind's calculations.

BTW, thanks for the spelling correction on his name, G.

and 1-9-72
OK, but neither map indicates a search area extending south to the Columbia River as indicated in Tosaw’s book.
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #386 on: May 04, 2021, 12:47:48 AM »
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That map seems to show the dropzone ending near Orchards at the south, not the river. I wonder why the memo says one thing, but the map indicates another. Perhaps the map is the original that requires amending with Soderlind's calculations.

BTW, thanks for the spelling correction on his name, G.

and 1-9-72
OK, but neither map indicates a search area extending south to the Columbia River as indicated in Tosaw’s book.

There are no known maps that do what you are asking for ... only comments on 302s. The fp intersects with the Columbia. The Columbia intersects with Tina Bar. There was dredging in 1974 that placed Columbia spoils on Tina Bar.

And as R99 keeps advising: water runs down hill which has nothing to do with anything!  :rofl:
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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #387 on: May 04, 2021, 12:52:41 AM »
Yes, my hope is that eventually in the 302s we get confirmation on Tosaw’s claim that Soderlind calculated a drop zone extending south to the Columbia. So far, nothing.
 

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« Reply #388 on: May 04, 2021, 12:55:02 AM »
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That map seems to show the dropzone ending near Orchards at the south, not the river. I wonder why the memo says one thing, but the map indicates another. Perhaps the map is the original that requires amending with Soderlind's calculations.

BTW, thanks for the spelling correction on his name, G.

and 1-9-72
OK, but neither map indicates a search area extending south to the Columbia River as indicated in Tosaw’s book.

There are no known maps that do what you are asking for ... only comments on 302s. The fp intersects with the Columbia. The Columbia intersects with Tina Bar. There was dredging in 1974 that placed Columbia spoils on Tina Bar.

And as R99 keeps advising: water runs down hill which has nothing to do with anything!  :rofl:

Georger, get an emergency appointment with your shrink!  If you don't understand why water runs downhill, and it appears you may not, then you are not qualified to pontificate about anything in the physical universe.  :o
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #389 on: May 04, 2021, 05:59:53 PM »
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That map seems to show the dropzone ending near Orchards at the south, not the river. I wonder why the memo says one thing, but the map indicates another. Perhaps the map is the original that requires amending with Soderlind's calculations.

BTW, thanks for the spelling correction on his name, G.

and 1-9-72
OK, but neither map indicates a search area extending south to the Columbia River as indicated in Tosaw’s book.

Why would they revise the maps they had?  They had several maps and tons of dialogue between all parties involved in tracking 305 and estimating a drop zone ?

What I see missing from the records, is any mention of a local search in the Portland-Vancouver area, or much consideration that Cooper might not have died during the jump, or that he might be in transit back to where it all started at SEATAC.  No 302s, no interviews by anyone that reveal there were such a consideration or searches, no real mention of the robbery at Heisson, . . . no reports from deputies that such a search was even considered or conducted. That is a glaring omission!  Not maps showing the Columbia per se. The 302s say what they say and we know the Columbia was included in a possible search zone. The whole area from Orchards to the Columbia was in play early. It just wasnt being given any real attention or a search, apparently.

If no one else considered the Columbia, Tosaw certainly did. Let's consult the Cooper Cult leaders here and see what they think or say. Probably nothing.

Something made Tosaw play his Columbia cards where he did - spent a ton of money - his Nile Kinnick search cost him far less - why did Tosaw place his bets where he did? I doubt it was just for publicity's sake. Tosaw told his divers he had hard FBI info he was following!  What did he think he had and from whom?  ;) 

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