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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #435 on: November 26, 2021, 03:34:05 AM »
For the record and to help with the discussion on Dr. Edwards' book, I do believe it is a masterpiece because it possesses the greatest array of federal documents on Norjak than anywhere else in the Vortex. They are concise and comprehensive.

Now, what Edwards does with those docs is questionable. His interpretations and analysis are subject to criticism, as we have rightly seen so far at the Forum.
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #436 on: November 26, 2021, 09:31:29 AM »
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For the record and to help with the discussion on Dr. Edwards' book, I do believe it is a masterpiece because it possesses the greatest array of federal documents on Norjak than anywhere else in the Vortex. They are concise and comprehensive.

Now, what Edwards does with those docs is questionable. His interpretations and analysis are subject to criticism, as we have rightly seen so far at the Forum.

It would be interesting to have a "editor's choice" of FBI document pages, extracted and annoted by source, with annotations from various people as to why they are "the important stuff"
or "interesting stuff"

There's probably 300 page of key info

the problem is, a paper book is the wrong distribution mechanism. You really want a 8.5x11" medium..i.e. a coffee table book, even if paperback.

this guy wrote a web article extracting FBI doc pages. I give him credit for an interesting article. He just extracted weird things he thought his audience would be amused by.

he has fbi doc snips
The 10 Weirdest Revelations from the FBI Files on D.B. Cooper for the 50th Anniversary of His Escape
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I don't really think he captured the 10 weirdest though. I mean, the detail of trying to use the SR-71 for photos is weird.
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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #437 on: November 26, 2021, 09:01:21 PM »
While not a PhD, Timika Rohal put the effort in to publish his book on June 29,2021 this year,
and I think he didn't get enough attention from DBC researchers in Romania and other EU countries.

Here's a little promotion. I have not been compensated in any way nor have I read the book. He took a whole night to write the book, mostly (about 9 hours), so you can believe it's good! (time included one of the two poems that come gratis).

He appears to have done his research, since the book is about himself, so it was relatively straightforward to do so.
only $8.99
a bargain. Some movies cost that much to rent on Netflix. Acknowledgements page attached. 121 6x9 pages.


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Watch D.B. Cooper: On The Night Of The Skyjacking: Db Cooper Story Paperback – June 29, 2021

D. B. Cooper is a media epithet used to describe an unidentified man who hijacked a Boeing 727 aircraft in United States airspace between Portland and Seattle on the afternoon of November 24, 1971.

Around Thanksgiving (2010) my wife Robin and I were sitting on the sofa watching the 11:00 pm late news when they announced it was once again the anniversary of the “D.B. Cooper skyjacking event. On television, they always talk about it…this time they showed the original film footage of the airliner, taken during a stormy night in Seattle around 40 years earlier. In addition, they also displayed the composite sketch of the skyjacker, drawn from the memories of the few passengers and crew members to have observed him on the night of the skyjacking. “Look”, I told my wife, “That guy was my father. I swear to God, he’s the one who did it.” She was astonished. I went on to tell her my Dad’s brother, Bud, was in on it also. That he was a jet captain for the very airline, Northwest Orient, that was hijacked! Now, outside of conversations with my mother, I’d not mentioned a word of all this to anybody in over 40 years! The newscast went on to say that the FBI had discovered additional new evidence in the case, (In the form of DNA) again they asked for the public’s help in finally solving the case. I not only decided to tell my wife, I told her of my decision to contact the authorities including the FBI as soon as possible to reveal what I knew. I was excited that evening, I began to tell my wife more about the story.
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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #438 on: November 26, 2021, 10:59:21 PM »
Sounds like a re-telling of Bradley Collins' book: My Father was DB Cooper.
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #439 on: November 26, 2021, 11:05:57 PM »
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Sounds like a re-telling of Bradley Collins' book: My Father was DB Cooper.

whenever someone tells a story about a family member 'being' Cooper, like Marla etc...
I can't help think about how it's really a story at some level about emotional pain or distance.
i.e. either someone was deceiving someone else, or someone actually didn't know much about the other person.
There's a couple common threads to everyone who thinks they "know" who cooper is.

The ones with a personal connection are odd. Does it say more about the person telling the story, or the person the story is being told about.

 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #440 on: November 27, 2021, 01:31:21 AM »
Both, I think.

Bradley seems like a guy who was impressed with his father, even if he had to handle some degree of guilt for championing a criminal. Bradley's father was called "Jumping Jack Cash," and it sounds like he was involved in lots of shady deals to the point that a neighbor turned him into the cops for Cooper knowing that he was a bad egg.

Plus, Bradley like his uncle Bud, who was the 727 pilot, and then Bradley was the fellow who discovered Uncle Bud's body, dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Lots going on here emotionally.
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #441 on: November 27, 2021, 03:57:56 PM »
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Both, I think.

Bradley seems like a guy who was impressed with his father, even if he had to handle some degree of guilt for championing a criminal. Bradley's father was called "Jumping Jack Cash," and it sounds like he was involved in lots of shady deals to the point that a neighbor turned him into the cops for Cooper knowing that he was a bad egg.

Plus, Bradley like his uncle Bud, who was the 727 pilot, and then Bradley was the fellow who discovered Uncle Bud's body, dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Lots going on here emotionally.

WHO CARES!?   .......... There is no compelling reason to keep track of every Tom, Dick, and Mary that comes along with another Cooper suspect. No sane person would even try!
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #442 on: November 27, 2021, 04:40:09 PM »
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WHO CARES!?   .......... There is no compelling reason to keep track of every Tom, Dick, and Mary that comes along with another Cooper suspect. No sane person would even try!

heh. I care! I'm amazed at the deluge of Cooper books and things on Amazon.
It's a Cooper cornucopia!
It's become bigger than Cooper ever was. [Cooper stuff[Cooper Vortex[Cooper[Flight 305]]]]
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #443 on: November 27, 2021, 05:09:48 PM »
To me, the cornucopia of Cooper is part of the story - a big part. To me as a journalist, it's a story worth telling. 

As for DBC researchers, not so much. We come to this Forum from different places.

In Bradley's case, all he had was a story. Unfortunately, the day we met at the WSHM I was not at my best and I treated him poorly. I wanted a Cooper twenty or the parachute and he didn't have either.  My attitude was quite pissy and he stormed off, never to return.

So some days I lose patience with some of the storytellers.
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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #444 on: November 27, 2021, 05:26:07 PM »
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To me, the cornucopia of Cooper is part of the story - a big part. To me as a journalist, it's a story worth telling. 

As for DBC researchers, not so much. We come to this Forum from different places.

In Bradley's case, all he had was a story. Unfortunately, the day we met at the WSHM I was not at my best and I treated him poorly. I wanted a Cooper twenty or the parachute and he didn't have either.  My attitude was quite pissy and he stormed off, never to return.

So some days I lose patience with some of the storytellers.

Heh.
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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #445 on: November 28, 2021, 01:03:28 AM »
True.
 

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« Reply #446 on: November 29, 2021, 03:41:56 PM »
At least for me, right now.
If I type
DB Cooper book
into amazon.com search box.

I get these as top 4 choices:
paid ad by Edwards
then:
Edwards' "D.B. Cooper and Flight 305", $26.99 264 pages hard cover 7x10 published 11/24/2021, $5 off coupon brings it to $21.99. 2.8 pounds
Gray's "Skyjack: The Hunt for D.B. Cooper", 336 pages $12.97 paperback 5x8  published 9/4/2012. 9.8 ounces
Bruce's "DB Cooper and the FBI" (3rd edition book, Kindle is cheaper), 506 pages $30 paperback 6x9  published 11/4/2021. 9.8 ounces

4th is the kid's book (8-12 years old)...which is an 'Editor's pick'
5th is Andrade's Finding DB Cooper. 204 pages  $14.99 paperback 6x9 published 10/22/16. 9.9 ounces
(Martin needs to get cracking at the typewriter and get a new edition/new pages, to stay in the game I think. It's kind of like keeping up with the Kardashians, need constantly refreshed material! yearly!)

I believe this is important new evidence

It's hard to figure out the best metric for price/performance.
Can divide price by pages
but # of words per page matters, I guess, and the pages are not all the same sizes in these books

That said, the $21.99 (with coupon) for 264 pages doesn't seem good value?
I can get 506 pages for $30 with Bruce's book, so clearly better. (Gray from 2012, is much cheaper because of age)

However, just based on weight per dollar, Edwards book may dominate.
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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #447 on: November 29, 2021, 04:19:46 PM »
thought I'd include the Amazon "Best Sellers Rank" info (today's) for the 4 books mentioned
Seems like the heavy promotion of Edwards is paying off for him. Ka-ching!
Advertising works! Mad Men are in charge of the metaverse!

Edwards
Best Sellers Rank: #36,197 in Books
#10 in Commercial Aviation (Books)
#408 in True Crime (Books)


Bruce 3rd edition book
Bruce: are you listed in the "Aviation History", "Commercial Aviation", "Aviation & Nautical Biographies" groups at Amazon?. The other Cooper books are
Andrade seems to include "White Collar Crime True Accounts" also
Best Sellers Rank: #437,928 in Books
#5,868 in True Crime (Books)
#20,821 in United States History (Books)
 

Gray
Best Sellers Rank: #70,111 in Books
#11 in Aviation & Nautical Biographies
#19 in Commercial Aviation (Books)
#43 in Aviation History (Books)

Andrade
Best Sellers Rank: #437,121 in Books
#235 in White Collar Crime True Accounts
 

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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #448 on: November 29, 2021, 05:08:21 PM »
While not strictly a DB Cooper book, one has to be astounded by comparisons of the above to Sheridan Peterson's epic literary documentary
Clearly the heavyweight, while also the underdog.
643 pages, 2.42 pounds and that's paperback

7x10 inches! 1.02" thick!
And the lowest "Best Sellers Rank"

And of all the books mentioned, the only one with 100% 5 star Customer Reviews !
Edwards' has no customer reviews yet.

Paperback ‏ : ‎ 643 pages
Item Weight ‏ : ‎ 2.42 pounds
Dimensions ‏ : ‎ 7 x 1.45 x 10 inches
Best Sellers Rank: #4,170,260 in Books
#42,822 in Asian History (Books)
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Re: Book Discussion About DB Cooper
« Reply #449 on: November 29, 2021, 09:22:53 PM »
I'm gonna have to figure out how to get listed in those categories. Another cyber mountain to climb. Sigh.