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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by Robert99 on January 18, 2020, 01:39:43 PM »
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Flim flam shuffle.

Why not just quote Jeremiah and Proverbs?

This isn't an election to win or lose by deceits and claims. Answer the questions put to you for a change!

This is ridiculous.   

* I agree with R99. How many "incarnations" are we dealing with here? This electioneering deception is as plain as the nose on your face. If others are too timid or sold out to state the obvious - that's their problemo. We dont need a King or a Prophet or a self appointed Cooperobergruppenführer spouting mush.

Ive got some news for you! You and Nicholson did not discovers of fire and the wheel!

""Her husband was convinced Cooper died in the leap, said Frances Scott. "He felt he jumped into Lake Merwin (Cowlitz County) and got tangled up in dead trees and died," she said."

** Wm Scott Aero Club talk, 1997:  "``There was a big reservoir down there with trees in it,'' Scott said. ..." He left us near Merwin Dam"... ``I just thought he went down there and got wrapped up in the trees.''

I get it...you believe in little money legs and little money shovels.

Cheers!

Oh, my!  Georger's Great Big Ego has been pricked and he is really pissed off!

Georger, why don't you just man up and come out of the bushes?  Your incarnations now apparently includes theologian as well as the previous ones of map expert, expert on relativity who taught Albert Einstein everything he knew on the subject, interviewer of everyone on the planet who may (or may not) have heard of the Cooper hijacking, what the flight crew should have known (presumably by ESP) about the credibility of the FAA's Chief Psychologist even if they had never heard of him, when the best proven laws of science (on Thermodynamics) don't apply to the Cooper hijacking, etc., etc.,.....

Georger, for your information, Himmelbach's  book states that Lake Merwin was searched, including by an improvised submarine, and nothing related to Cooper was found.  Also, according to an e-mail you sent me a number of years ago, you stated that you had talked to the crew of the helicopter that Himmelbach boarded and that they flew up to Woodland and then headed south, with no indication that they ever got east of that line.
Hm, I had forgotten about the Lake Merwin search. Being totally unfamiliar with the region, would a search of a swath of the Columbia have been at all feasible, and was any part of it searched? (I'm guessing it's too large a body to search, but may as well ask.)  I've often wondered if BR might have flown over bodies of water in his rage at Cooper, but again, he couldn't do that till Tina was safely in the cockpit, given the real possibility in their minds that Cooper would take her with him. He wasn't going to wear 4 chutes and he didn't cut them all up, either. Pure conjecture, of course, that he asked for 4 to give the impression he was taking at least one hostage so as to avoid having the chutes sabotaged or the pilots fly over the most hazardous terrain/bodies of water. And I do still find it quite the coincidence that the only part of the money that turned up did so in a marked, traversed area. I don't suggest a plant, simply that Coop COULD have temporarily stashed all or part of the money in a place he could easily find again and without attracting any particular notice. Think everyone can agree that the Tina/Tena Bar find and the flight path are the most befuddling aspects of the case. But the money find happened and there was a flight path, so the damn stuff got there somehow.

Another question, having zero dredge knowledge: what would be the effect on a dredge on encountering a body? Would it clog up the works in any way, or would the dredge just carry on, whistling a merry tune as the corpse turned to mulch?

The airliner took off from SEATAC at 7:36 PM PST and Tina was sent to the cockpit about 5 to 10 minutes thereafter.  Tina was probably in the cockpit with the rest of the crew by about 7:45 PM and this is about 25 minutes before the estimated jump time of about 8:10 to 8:12 PM.

If Cooper landed in the Columbia River in the vicinity of the Portland International Airport either as a no-pull or with an open parachute and drowned, then he would probably have retained enough buoyancy for several hours and that would be enough time for his body to float downstream and past Tina Bar before daylight.  This suggests to me that Cooper didn't actually land in water but that he was a no-pull and landed within a relatively few feet of the Columbia River itself and then was washed downstream with the damaged money bag depositing the packets at Tina Bar during a high water event such as the 1972 spring run off.

If the airliner bypassed Portland on the west side, which I consider a certainty, then it would have flown straight down the Columbia River for several miles as it passed Tina Bar (the river runs just a couple of degrees east of north in the Tina Bar area).  If the airliner was over the western edge of the Columbia River when Cooper jumped, and if he was a no-pull, the strong southwest wind would have deposited him on the eastern shore of the river.

I'll defer to 377 on the dredging matters. 
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by Lynn on January 18, 2020, 12:41:37 PM »
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Flim flam shuffle.

Why not just quote Jeremiah and Proverbs?

This isn't an election to win or lose by deceits and claims. Answer the questions put to you for a change!

This is ridiculous.   

* I agree with R99. How many "incarnations" are we dealing with here? This electioneering deception is as plain as the nose on your face. If others are too timid or sold out to state the obvious - that's their problemo. We dont need a King or a Prophet or a self appointed Cooperobergruppenführer spouting mush.

Ive got some news for you! You and Nicholson did not discovers of fire and the wheel!

""Her husband was convinced Cooper died in the leap, said Frances Scott. "He felt he jumped into Lake Merwin (Cowlitz County) and got tangled up in dead trees and died," she said."

** Wm Scott Aero Club talk, 1997:  "``There was a big reservoir down there with trees in it,'' Scott said. ..." He left us near Merwin Dam"... ``I just thought he went down there and got wrapped up in the trees.''

I get it...you believe in little money legs and little money shovels.

Cheers!

Oh, my!  Georger's Great Big Ego has been pricked and he is really pissed off!

Georger, why don't you just man up and come out of the bushes?  Your incarnations now apparently includes theologian as well as the previous ones of map expert, expert on relativity who taught Albert Einstein everything he knew on the subject, interviewer of everyone on the planet who may (or may not) have heard of the Cooper hijacking, what the flight crew should have known (presumably by ESP) about the credibility of the FAA's Chief Psychologist even if they had never heard of him, when the best proven laws of science (on Thermodynamics) don't apply to the Cooper hijacking, etc., etc.,.....

Georger, for your information, Himmelbach's  book states that Lake Merwin was searched, including by an improvised submarine, and nothing related to Cooper was found.  Also, according to an e-mail you sent me a number of years ago, you stated that you had talked to the crew of the helicopter that Himmelbach boarded and that they flew up to Woodland and then headed south, with no indication that they ever got east of that line.
Hm, I had forgotten about the Lake Merwin search. Being totally unfamiliar with the region, would a search of a swath of the Columbia have been at all feasible, and was any part of it searched? (I'm guessing it's too large a body to search, but may as well ask.)  I've often wondered if BR might have flown over bodies of water in his rage at Cooper, but again, he couldn't do that till Tina was safely in the cockpit, given the real possibility in their minds that Cooper would take her with him. He wasn't going to wear 4 chutes and he didn't cut them all up, either. Pure conjecture, of course, that he asked for 4 to give the impression he was taking at least one hostage so as to avoid having the chutes sabotaged or the pilots fly over the most hazardous terrain/bodies of water. And I do still find it quite the coincidence that the only part of the money that turned up did so in a marked, traversed area. I don't suggest a plant, simply that Coop COULD have temporarily stashed all or part of the money in a place he could easily find again and without attracting any particular notice. Think everyone can agree that the Tina/Tena Bar find and the flight path are the most befuddling aspects of the case. But the money find happened and there was a flight path, so the damn stuff got there somehow.

Another question, having zero dredge knowledge: what would be the effect on a dredge on encountering a body? Would it clog up the works in any way, or would the dredge just carry on, whistling a merry tune as the corpse turned to mulch?
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Lynn on January 18, 2020, 10:51:02 AM »
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All,
Anyone have any info on a Mexican version of the Dan Cooper Comic??

Tom Kaye

On the Hahneman train too, Tom?
LOL There's a Hahnemann train? Sorry, his MO makes no sense in the later hijacking if he was Cooper. He changed everything Cooper did right; it's irrelevant whether he made the jump, lots of people did similar jumps. He had contact with the crew, was violent and threatening, let the passengers know he was jacking the plane - just doesn't make sense. He might have the skills, motivation, and looks to be Cooper, but why would he change not only an MO that worked, but his entire personality? No sale.
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by Lynn on January 18, 2020, 10:45:11 AM »
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Anyway... back to DB Cooper. The folks at Minnow Productions in the UK have just told me that their four-hour mega epic on Danny Boy will be airing on HBO in July, and then the BBC shortly thereafter. It features EVERYBODY! It'll be fun to see Jo Weber in her full glory, along with Bobby B, Barb and the gang at Thun Field - in particular the Formans. Not sure about Wolfie or Petey, though.
If they don't cover Wolfie or Petey, IMHO two of the most fascinating suspects (though DAMN, Barb Dayton is an epic tale in her own right), I already give it an F. But will watch to see everybody else. This is where we'll find out that Duane was also the Unknown Soldier, the Wandering Jew, James Bond, and the Compte de Saint-Germain. ;)

Jo Weber... *Sigh*
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by georger on January 17, 2020, 03:23:21 PM »
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Flim flam shuffle.

Why not just quote Jeremiah and Proverbs?

This isn't an election to win or lose by deceits and claims. Answer the questions put to you for a change!

This is ridiculous.   

* I agree with R99. How many "incarnations" are we dealing with here? This electioneering deception is as plain as the nose on your face. If others are too timid or sold out to state the obvious - that's their problemo. We dont need a King or a Prophet or a self appointed Cooperobergruppenführer spouting mush.

Ive got some news for you! You and Nicholson did not discovers of fire and the wheel!

""Her husband was convinced Cooper died in the leap, said Frances Scott. "He felt he jumped into Lake Merwin (Cowlitz County) and got tangled up in dead trees and died," she said."

** Wm Scott Aero Club talk, 1997:  "``There was a big reservoir down there with trees in it,'' Scott said. ..." He left us near Merwin Dam"... ``I just thought he went down there and got wrapped up in the trees.''

I get it...you believe in little money legs and little money shovels.

Cheers!

Oh, my!  Georger's Great Big Ego has been pricked and he is really pissed off!

Georger, why don't you just man up and come out of the bushes?  Your incarnations now apparently includes theologian as well as the previous ones of map expert, expert on relativity who taught Albert Einstein everything he knew on the subject, interviewer of everyone on the planet who may (or may not) have heard of the Cooper hijacking, what the flight crew should have known (presumably by ESP) about the credibility of the FAA's Chief Psychologist even if they had never heard of him, when the best proven laws of science (on Thermodynamics) don't apply to the Cooper hijacking, etc., etc.,.....

Georger, for your information, Himmelbach's  book states that Lake Merwin was searched, including by an improvised submarine, and nothing related to Cooper was found.  Also, according to an e-mail you sent me a number of years ago, you stated that you had talked to the crew of the helicopter that Himmelbach boarded and that they flew up to Woodland and then headed south, with no indication that they ever got east of that line.

You are alchemy:  hank of hair, shaving of aluminum, lightening, chants and spells, political dogma plus personal attacks - this is your West Path. Keep up your diversions. Bruce Smith will continue to support you because he needs an audience.  :rofl:

You and Ulis are all about audience and nothing more. You obviously have a high tolerance for ridicule. You even had me fooled for a while. Cooper fans will do damned near anything to keep hope alive!

You bring up Himmelsbach! Well Ive got some news for you.  ::)
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by Robert99 on January 17, 2020, 03:17:24 PM »
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Flim flam shuffle.

Why not just quote Jeremiah and Proverbs?

This isn't an election to win or lose by deceits and claims. Answer the questions put to you for a change!

This is ridiculous.   

* I agree with R99. How many "incarnations" are we dealing with here? This electioneering deception is as plain as the nose on your face. If others are too timid or sold out to state the obvious - that's their problemo. We dont need a King or a Prophet or a self appointed Cooperobergruppenführer spouting mush.

Ive got some news for you! You and Nicholson did not discovers of fire and the wheel!

""Her husband was convinced Cooper died in the leap, said Frances Scott. "He felt he jumped into Lake Merwin (Cowlitz County) and got tangled up in dead trees and died," she said."

** Wm Scott Aero Club talk, 1997:  "``There was a big reservoir down there with trees in it,'' Scott said. ..." He left us near Merwin Dam"... ``I just thought he went down there and got wrapped up in the trees.''

I get it...you believe in little money legs and little money shovels.

Cheers!

Oh, my!  Georger's Great Big Ego has been pricked and he is really pissed off!

Georger, why don't you just man up and come out of the bushes?  Your incarnations now apparently includes theologian as well as the previous ones of map expert, expert on relativity who taught Albert Einstein everything he knew on the subject, interviewer of everyone on the planet who may (or may not) have heard of the Cooper hijacking, what the flight crew should have known (presumably by ESP) about the credibility of the FAA's Chief Psychologist even if they had never heard of him, when the best proven laws of science (on Thermodynamics) don't apply to the Cooper hijacking, etc., etc.,.....

Georger, for your information, Himmelbach's  book states that Lake Merwin was searched, including by an improvised submarine, and nothing related to Cooper was found.  Also, according to an e-mail you sent me a number of years ago, you stated that you had talked to the crew of the helicopter that Himmelbach boarded and that they flew up to Woodland and then headed south, with no indication that they ever got east of that line.   
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by EU on January 17, 2020, 02:19:56 PM »
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Flim flam shuffle.

Why not just quote Jeremiah and Proverbs?

This isn't an election to win or lose by deceits and claims. Answer the questions put to you for a change!

This is ridiculous.   

* I agree with R99. How many "incarnations" are we dealing with here? This electioneering deception is as plain as the nose on your face. If others are too timid or sold out to state the obvious - that's their problemo. We dont need a King or a Prophet or a self appointed Cooperobergruppenführer spouting mush.

Ive got some news for you! You and Nicholson did not discovers of fire and the wheel!

""Her husband was convinced Cooper died in the leap, said Frances Scott. "He felt he jumped into Lake Merwin (Cowlitz County) and got tangled up in dead trees and died," she said."

** Wm Scott Aero Club talk, 1997:  "``There was a big reservoir down there with trees in it,'' Scott said. ..." He left us near Merwin Dam"... ``I just thought he went down there and got wrapped up in the trees.''

I get it...you believe in little money legs and little money shovels.

Cheers!
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by georger on January 17, 2020, 12:59:55 PM »
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Other than the trolling and snarkiness taking place here I find the discussion regarding Tena Bar to be fun and interesting.

Now, where to start...

Let me start by stating that none of us gets to choose or decide the flight path that 305 flew as it traveled south over southwestern Washington. The true flight path is the true flight path regardless of what any of us say. This is worth keeping in mind.

Now, that said, I view my role as a researcher of the evidence and letting it speak to the truth of the flight path. This involves shutting the hell up and listening. This requires thinking.

Yes, indeed, I have theories, I put them out there and understand that history will judge me well. After all, I am intellectually honest and have only the truth as my agenda.

Next subject: I'm trying to understand why it is relevant that Captain Scott believed that DBC died in or around Lake Merwin strung up in some tree. After all, this cannot be true. Period.

How do I know this cannot be true? Well, because of the money find at Tena Bar. The money did not have little money legs with a little money shovel and hike to Tena Bar to hideout for 8 years. Right?

Nonetheless, when Captain Scott tells Himmelsbach that he believes they flew over Woodland, well that is interesting. And it is notable. But it proves nothing.

On the other hand, what does prove something is the placard find, the money find, and, I believe, the fiberglass skirt find. Science and the Laws of Physics are never wrong. These pieces of evidence speak to the truth whether we're willing to listen or not.

In my mind, these pieces of evidence speak to an FBI Flight Path that is flawed in at least a few areas. Additionally, they appear to validate the Western Flight Path.

Cheers!

Flim flam shuffle.

Why not just quote Jeremiah and Proverbs?

This isn't an election to win or lose by deceits and claims. Answer the questions put to you for a change!

This is ridiculous.   

* I agree with R99. How many "incarnations" are we dealing with here? This electioneering deception is as plain as the nose on your face. If others are too timid or sold out to state the obvious - that's their problemo. We dont need a King or a Prophet or a self appointed Cooperobergruppenführer spouting mush.

Ive got some news for you! You and Nicholson did not discovers of fire and the wheel!

""Her husband was convinced Cooper died in the leap, said Frances Scott. "He felt he jumped into Lake Merwin (Cowlitz County) and got tangled up in dead trees and died," she said."

** Wm Scott Aero Club talk, 1997:  "``There was a big reservoir down there with trees in it,'' Scott said. ..." He left us near Merwin Dam"... ``I just thought he went down there and got wrapped up in the trees.''
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by EU on January 17, 2020, 10:37:28 AM »
Other than the trolling and snarkiness taking place here I find the discussion regarding Tena Bar to be fun and interesting.

Now, where to start...

Let me start by stating that none of us gets to choose or decide the flight path that 305 flew as it traveled south over southwestern Washington. The true flight path is the true flight path regardless of what any of us say. This is worth keeping in mind.

Now, that said, I view my role as a researcher of the evidence and letting it speak to the truth of the flight path. This involves shutting the hell up and listening. This requires thinking.

Yes, indeed, I have theories, I put them out there and understand that history will judge me well. After all, I am intellectually honest and have only the truth as my agenda.

Next subject: I'm trying to understand why it is relevant that Captain Scott believed that DBC died in or around Lake Merwin strung up in some tree. After all, this cannot be true. Period.

How do I know this cannot be true? Well, because of the money find at Tena Bar. The money did not have little money legs with a little money shovel and hike to Tena Bar to hideout for 8 years. Right?

Nonetheless, when Captain Scott tells Himmelsbach that he believes they flew over Woodland, well that is interesting. And it is notable. But it proves nothing.

On the other hand, what does prove something is the placard find, the money find, and, I believe, the fiberglass skirt find. Science and the Laws of Physics are never wrong. These pieces of evidence speak to the truth whether we're willing to listen or not.

In my mind, these pieces of evidence speak to an FBI Flight Path that is flawed in at least a few areas. Additionally, they appear to validate the Western Flight Path.

Cheers!
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by georger on January 17, 2020, 05:17:20 AM »
R99 shuffles and dodges then throws his dice hoping people wont notice or care: "2.  Why did Captain Scott reportedly tell his daughter that the flight path that was publicly announced (presumably the so-called FBI flight path) was all wrong?"

Was all wrong !!!?

Bullshit. Pure boilerpate using Scott's daughter. Scott's daughter did not say: 'Was all wrong", as R99 is saying she said!

R99's only salvation in this maneuver is his use of the word "reportedly tell his daughter ". R99 covers his xxx with that caveat! But, he then goes on to smear on more grease by adding: " flight path that was publicly announced (presumably the so-called FBI flight path)". This sounds like something straight out of the Robert Blevins Handbook! Weave and dodge. Reclamation with a little lie. Nobody will notice or care. 

When this came up after Ulis first posted it, I posted that Scott himself and his wife had given different accounts. The board stayed silent. Neither R99 or Ulis replied or commented. NO WONDER!

How low and politically managed can it get here! ? Just to score a point? Just to make a new and revision version of the former testimony. And who is right and who is wrong. The answer is quite clear!

Robert Nicholson and Eric Ulis are right ..... and nothing and nobody else matters!

WE WILL OBEY!  :rofl:   

In a pig's eye we will obey! This is intentional misrepresentation by the guy who wants the world to adopt his so-called West Path and other claims. His faux lessons in physics and other matters. The smartest two guys in the room. Electioneering at the DBCooper Forum ? Gag me with a John Deere twelve row planter.   
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