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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Robert99 on April 06, 2020, 07:28:39 PM »
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If Cooper got on before Mitchell he sat on the right if he came up the stairs...I would of sat on the left side.

Cooper would want to be in the rearmost row with no one behind him.  Using your logic, if Cooper was the second to last to board he might/might not be right handed and Mitchell might be left handed.  If Cooper was the last to board, Mitchell might/might not be left handed and Cooper right handed.  I doubt if any realistic conclusions can be drawn based on which side of the cabin Cooper was on.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by EU on April 06, 2020, 07:27:11 PM »
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If Cooper got on before Mitchell he sat on the right if he came up the stairs...I would of sat on the left side.

I considered this too and looked at my decision making process as a right-hander and found that I tend to favor taking a seat to my right...or to the left if there's a good looking woman involved.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Shutter on April 06, 2020, 07:02:37 PM »
If Cooper got on before Mitchell he sat on the right if he came up the stairs...I would of sat on the left side.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by EU on April 06, 2020, 06:50:50 PM »
Tom Kaye and I discussed using DBC's tie in some manner to determine whether he was right or left handed.

Initially, I asked Tom if he noticed more debris on one side of the tie knot or the other...the pictures have a shadow so it's impossible to tell. Tom said he did not recall one side of the tie knot being any more soiled than the other.

Tom theorized that perhaps more gold particles would be present on one side of the tie or the other where the tie clip was affixed--thereby giving us an idea of which direction DBC applied the tie clip. However, we were unable to accurately measure any sort of "gold debris" disparity.

I have never seen anything that discusses DBC striking a match--a dead giveaway--or smoking using one hand or the other. In my opinion this is somewhat shoddy work on the part of the FBI. The files should at least say that the question was asked and Tina and/or Flo couldn't recall.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Shutter on April 06, 2020, 06:00:14 PM »
Still hard to determine what hand Cooper favored. he could of come out of the bathroom with it in his left hand so the briefcase is not so trapped coming out and turning right going down the isle. any type of quick detonation would be best on the outside vs the inside..I haven't found any witness statements of his hands in the case during the trip to the bathroom other than an agent stating it..

Read the full document..she seen him going to the bathroom only...

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FJ is using this page to claim Cooper was 'right handed' by how he carried the bomb to the Lav in his left hand, with right hand inside the bomb.

I'm left handed and would do that configuration...hold the briefcase with my left and my right hand inside...70 -90% are right handed sooooo?
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Shutter on April 06, 2020, 05:48:28 PM »
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Since nobody has built versions of his bomb and tried them, nobody knows

This is as close as it can get with the exception of the wiring. aluminum is a very good conductor. however, the frame on my briefcase doesn't seem to be conductive. I'm trying to see if he used the frame as a conductor allowing only one wire to detonate. I took a small piece of aluminum that was put between the wire from the bulb to the battery and it lite up. I might need a bigger battery so it can make the trip..

The configuration in the photo shows the wiring that would set off the bomb..the circuit is complete..
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Shutter on April 06, 2020, 05:27:53 PM »
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FJ is using this page to claim Cooper was 'right handed' by how he carried the bomb to the Lav in his left hand, with right hand inside the bomb.

I will have to look but a notation is at the bottom of Mitchell's statement saying his left hand was in and out of the case...Alice makes a statement that his right hand was in the briefcase the whole time...I seem to recall a statement that he had both hand on the briefcase coming out of the bathroom...the document doesn't match witness testimony...

Nancy House stated Cooper came out of the bathroom with the briefcase in both arms..
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on April 06, 2020, 04:11:01 PM »
Anyone know where this page and its accompanying pages are from - - - DB Cooper 2859 ?

FLYJAVCK published it at DZ but as usual gave no context or the adjoining pages .... where can the whole doc be found with the adjoining pages 1, 3, etc?

FJ is using this page to claim Cooper was 'right handed' by how he carried the bomb to the Lav in his left hand, with right hand inside the bomb.   

The FBI files are NOT in consecutive page order!  Where TF does page 2859 come from ! ?  What part? What download?  vote the smileycode and safe  :offtopicman:
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on April 06, 2020, 02:33:58 PM »
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Only as last resort...I don't think he believed it would happen..it's possible it could of......

Someone refresh me here. 

Cooper is sitting to the right of Tina.  She lights his cigarettes for him.

Is he smoking with his left hand, and his right hand is always in the briefcase?  I thought I read somewhere that Flo was the one that said he had his hand in the briefcase the whole time.  The whole time in this case would not have been long if it was Flo talking.  Maybe it was Tina.  But he had it in there from takeoff in Portland all the way until when? When he counts the money?  He drinks with one hand too?  It's a long time to have your hand in the briefcase.

Let's get creative here.  Why else would he keep his hand in the briefcase?  Tina is pretty harmless, he seems to like her, and she is ok with him.  It's not like she is going to overpower him.

Possibilities:

He really is afraid that he will need to set off the bomb and wants to keep his hands close
He has a gun in there and wants it close
He has a watch on, or some identifying jewelry
He has a scar or a tattoo or a mark on his hand
His hands give him away as blue collar and not the hands of a businessman

EU, Shutter, Martin, Bruce, couple of other guys, you think out of the box, what are some ideas?

By the way, in the 1970 movie Airport, a deranged man makes a briefcase bomb with dynamite and wires and carries it on a plane.  He uses a deadman switch, a little sliver of wood attached to a string.  This movie is said to have been one of the first "disaster" type movies of the new genre.

The left-handed versus right-handed question is one I have thought about a lot.

I'm surprised that there are very few references in the FBI files regarding which hand DBC used. If it could be determined that DBC was left-handed that would narrow the field down close to 95% given the way children were forced to use their right hands back in the old days (20's and 30's).

Of note, Bill Mitchell does mention that DBC had his left-hand in the case--I assume when the case is sitting on DBC's lap.

Beyond that, the case sitting on seat 18F--on Cooper's right--necessitates DBC using his right hand at this point which is meaningless. This can be extended to Cooper smoking with his left hand (not mentioned in the FBI files), this too would also be meaningless.

All told, I suspect DBC was left-handed given Bill Mitchell's testimony. After all, if the case is sitting on his lap this is a non-biased action which gives DBC the opportunity to utilize the hand he favors.

Perhaps. But if the bomb was fake, then does it really matter which hand he had in there? In that scenario, his right hand is free to use if necessary, perhaps suggesting he is a righty.

Since nobody has built versions of his bomb and tried them, nobody knows . . .  :-\

Why didnt anyone ask the stews what hand they thought he favored?  :-\
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by georger on April 06, 2020, 02:29:46 PM »
IS THIS A THREAT! ?  ...  against members of this forum and Cooper researchers in general ? :nono:
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