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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on December 13, 2019, 11:47:53 PM »
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I recommend to Cooper people that they take the Tosaw book and drop it in the toilet. Im serious.  :bravo:

Well you say tosaw made stuff up and 377 said in his upcoming interview on The Cooper Vortex with Darren in regards to his report about Tina telling him cooper looked at the packing card that he doesn’t think Tosaw is the type to make stuff up. Add this to the list of cooper conflicts,it’s maddening! 😑

yes and it does drive some Coopertinos crazy.

Tosaw's actual interview with Tina is a case in point. Over the telephone, short, restrained by the Mother Superior ... Tina was barely free to talk and yet Tosaw claimed a full free-flowing interview with Tina which is...  a lie.

I prefer the term: "Literary license." It is plausible to assume that Richard Tosaw back-filled Tina's non-interview-over-the-phone with information that he obtained from his brother, Mike Tosaw, whom I believe was a field agent at the Seattle office at that time.

Dismissing Tosaw, or fully embracing Himmelsbach's commentary, is ill-advised in my view. Rather, I say take both with a grain of salt, and keep digging for more corroboration.

"Literary license." is a polite way of putting it, imho. My perspective includes personal experience with the Tosaw 'tidal wave' here in Iowa. My family played football with Mike Tosaw. Richard left the FBI by common agreement, while his brother continued. Who knows what Richard got from his brother. So far as I know Richard never gave any attributions to his brother who was an active FBI agent in good standing, ....... when Richard's Kinnick program for the Univ of Iowa failed he took up chasing DB Cooper. Richard liked projects.

Now Flyjack has expanded his discussion on this subject posting:

"When Tosaw is being accused of lying,, consider the credibility of the source.
A source which has smeared, ridiculed, distorted and lied at some time about virtually everyone related to the Cooper case...
I posted Tosaw's claims, not mine.
Most of those claims are corroborated by other sources, however no book or person is error free."

Flyjack has called more people liars than Carter has pills - so I am in good company.

I dont like having to talk about any of this! I didn't start this debate!  ;)  The debate started before I was even born!

I will post more about Tosaw as time and opportunity presents itself. But, I am very concerned about using Tosaw's book as some kind of factual Bible for the Cooper case. Flyjac has it right in Tosaw's case when he says: " however no book or person is error free." 

Tosaw got into a huge quarrel with experienced salvage people and divers when he conducted his searches in the Columbia post 1980. I will share some of that factual history later, because it bears on people actually searching for Cooper artifacts near Tina Bar post 1980. And nobody found nothing!   
 
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by Robert99 on December 13, 2019, 11:06:25 PM »
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NASA sky pollution surveys - Portland vs Seattle 1970. The V23 corridor between the two cities is very dark. With dark adaptation Portland would stand out ahead to pilots at 10k ft. no matter the weather. There is no cloud cover known on Earth that could obscure sky glow from these cities. Red (+5) is as high as the scale goes in 1950-75.

Georger has apparently never seen a thunderstorm and his remarks about the weather are just more nonsense.  For his information, thunderstorms in the USA can reach 40 or 50 thousand feet altitude and up to 70 thousand feet in other parts of the world.  In fact, U-2's flying at 70 thousand feet on operational missions have had to detour around them in some parts of the world.

I'll bet the picture Georger posted was made on a clear night or nearly clear night.  And if it was a "sky pollution survey" made at night, what were the frequencies that were used in the survey equipment?  Were they all in the visual to the human eye range?

I think you mean wavelengths - as for the rest of your misleading bull -  :conspiracy:

Where did you ever get the idea that you are the only weather man that matters! ? Wy dont you just write a book?

Tell us all about dark adaptation in pilots. Is your horn honking? Check your keys ....  ;) 

Why are you throwing up another roadblock! ? You just spent days saying you always meant to say (and I was too dumb to see it!): "For large cities, Cooper may have been able to see the "glow" from the city lights but he would not be able to determine any land marks."

Make up your mind Scrooge! Are you now denying you just said "For large cities, Cooper may have been able to see the "glow" from the city lights but he would not be able to determine any land marks." ?

The NASA sky brightness atlases are made from satellite photometry, which includes the visual range 380nm to the near IR (800nm). Its the greatest atlas in the history of the world - Americans wanna know! Blah blah blah ... ;)

Georger, didn't you claim at one point that you worked on the index for the NASA sky atlas?  If so, this is just you honking your own horn.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by haggarknew on December 13, 2019, 07:52:45 PM »
While the subject of books is being talked about.... I am open to suggestions for my next Cooper book. I was originally thinking it would be Himm's book, but lately I have leaning towards Mr. Andrade's book. Any suggestions?      By the way, I have really enjoyed your book Bruce! I have read it a couple of times. Would love to have discussion about it at some time. It answered some of my questions and also brought up more.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by fcastle866 on December 13, 2019, 07:03:22 PM »
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I recommend to Cooper people that they take the Tosaw book and drop it in the toilet. Im serious.  :bravo:

Well you say tosaw made stuff up and 377 said in his upcoming interview on The Cooper Vortex with Darren in regards to his report about Tina telling him cooper looked at the packing card that he doesn’t think Tosaw is the type to make stuff up. Add this to the list of cooper conflicts,it’s maddening! 😑

yes and it does drive some Coopertinos crazy.

Tosaw's actual interview with Tina is a case in point. Over the telephone, short, restrained by the Mother Superior ... Tina was barely free to talk and yet Tosaw claimed a full free-flowing interview with Tina which is...  a lie.

I prefer the term: "Literary license." It is plausible to assume that Richard Tosaw back-filled Tina's non-interview-over-the-phone with information that he obtained from his brother, Mike Tosaw, whom I believe was a field agent at the Seattle office at that time.

Dismissing Tosaw, or fully embracing Himmelsbach's commentary, is ill-advised in my view. Rather, I say take both with a grain of salt, and keep digging for more corroboration.

I find the value in Tosaw's book to be the list of the 10,000 serial numbers for the $20 bills.  That published list opens up some possibilities for analysis on the money.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Bruce A. Smith on December 13, 2019, 06:32:57 PM »
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I recommend to Cooper people that they take the Tosaw book and drop it in the toilet. Im serious.  :bravo:

Well you say tosaw made stuff up and 377 said in his upcoming interview on The Cooper Vortex with Darren in regards to his report about Tina telling him cooper looked at the packing card that he doesn’t think Tosaw is the type to make stuff up. Add this to the list of cooper conflicts,it’s maddening! 😑

yes and it does drive some Coopertinos crazy.

Tosaw's actual interview with Tina is a case in point. Over the telephone, short, restrained by the Mother Superior ... Tina was barely free to talk and yet Tosaw claimed a full free-flowing interview with Tina which is...  a lie.

I prefer the term: "Literary license." It is plausible to assume that Richard Tosaw back-filled Tina's non-interview-over-the-phone with information that he obtained from his brother, Mike Tosaw, whom I believe was a field agent at the Seattle office at that time.

Dismissing Tosaw, or fully embracing Himmelsbach's commentary, is ill-advised in my view. Rather, I say take both with a grain of salt, and keep digging for more corroboration.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on December 13, 2019, 06:04:35 PM »
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I recommend to Cooper people that they take the Tosaw book and drop it in the toilet. Im serious.  :bravo:

Well you say tosaw made stuff up and 377 said in his upcoming interview on The Cooper Vortex with Darren in regards to his report about Tina telling him cooper looked at the packing card that he doesn’t think Tosaw is the type to make stuff up. Add this to the list of cooper conflicts,it’s maddening! 😑

yes and it does drive some Coopertinos crazy.

Tosaw's actual interview with Tina is a case in point. Over the telephone, short, restrained by the Mother Superior ... Tina was barely free to talk and yet Tosaw claimed a full free-flowing interview with Tina which is...  a lie. 
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by georger on December 13, 2019, 05:58:37 PM »
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NASA sky pollution surveys - Portland vs Seattle 1970. The V23 corridor between the two cities is very dark. With dark adaptation Portland would stand out ahead to pilots at 10k ft. no matter the weather. There is no cloud cover known on Earth that could obscure sky glow from these cities. Red (+5) is as high as the scale goes in 1950-75.

Georger has apparently never seen a thunderstorm and his remarks about the weather are just more nonsense.  For his information, thunderstorms in the USA can reach 40 or 50 thousand feet altitude and up to 70 thousand feet in other parts of the world.  In fact, U-2's flying at 70 thousand feet on operational missions have had to detour around them in some parts of the world.

I'll bet the picture Georger posted was made on a clear night or nearly clear night.  And if it was a "sky pollution survey" made at night, what were the frequencies that were used in the survey equipment?  Were they all in the visual to the human eye range?

I think you mean wavelengths - as for the rest of your misleading bull -  :conspiracy:

Where did you ever get the idea that you are the only weather man that matters! ? Wy dont you just write a book?

Tell us all about dark adaptation in pilots. Is your horn honking? Check your keys ....  ;) 

Why are you throwing up another roadblock! ? You just spent days saying you always meant to say (and I was too dumb to see it!): "For large cities, Cooper may have been able to see the "glow" from the city lights but he would not be able to determine any land marks."

Make up your mind Scrooge! Are you now denying you just said "For large cities, Cooper may have been able to see the "glow" from the city lights but he would not be able to determine any land marks." ?

The NASA sky brightness atlases are made from satellite photometry, which includes the visual range 380nm to the near IR (800nm). Its the greatest atlas in the history of the world - Americans wanna know! Blah blah blah ... ;)
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by nickyb233 on December 13, 2019, 04:58:57 PM »
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I recommend to Cooper people that they take the Tosaw book and drop it in the toilet. Im serious.  :bravo:

Well you say tosaw made stuff up and 377 said in his upcoming interview on The Cooper Vortex with Darren in regards to his report about Tina telling him cooper looked at the packing card that he doesn’t think Tosaw is the type to make stuff up. Add this to the list of cooper conflicts,it’s maddening! 😑
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by Robert99 on December 13, 2019, 04:17:50 PM »
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NASA sky pollution surveys - Portland vs Seattle 1970. The V23 corridor between the two cities is very dark. With dark adaptation Portland would stand out ahead to pilots at 10k ft. no matter the weather. There is no cloud cover known on Earth that could obscure sky glow from these cities. Red (+5) is as high as the scale goes in 1950-75.

Georger has apparently never seen a thunderstorm and his remarks about the weather are just more nonsense.  For his information, thunderstorms in the USA can reach 40 or 50 thousand feet altitude and up to 70 thousand feet in other parts of the world.  In fact, U-2's flying at 70 thousand feet on operational missions have had to detour around them in some parts of the world.

I'll bet the picture Georger posted was made on a clear night or nearly clear night.  And if it was a "sky pollution survey" made at night, what were the frequencies that were used in the survey equipment?  Were they all in the visual to the human eye range?
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on December 13, 2019, 04:09:20 PM »
I recommend to Cooper people that they take the Tosaw book and drop it in the toilet. Im serious.  :bravo:
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