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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by 377 on January 16, 2020, 03:19:30 PM »
I found some interesting info while querying old Columbia River gillnetters. They DID have a lot of problems with sunken logs and stumps ruining their nets and DID clear prime drift areas annually. They used "snag nets" (small nets designed to hang up on bottom snags) to locate snags to which barge-based divers were then directed to remove.

Using this info I located this article: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Doubtful that Cooper would have been found this way. Underwater visibility was very poor (often only several inches) and divers went directly to snags found with snag nets. A snag net couldn't lift a big stump or log but probably could have raised a body.

377
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by georger on January 16, 2020, 02:15:08 PM »
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Tosaw's law practice didn't involve courtroom work. His specialty was finding missing persons, often lost heirs. He had a good reputation in the legal profession for delivering results.

I wasn't aware that he was involved in these other aviation mysteries. but it fits.

Sure wish I had known him personally. With my commercial fishing experience and connections I sure could have helped him improve the design of his dragged snagging gear.

377

Im sure you could have. Tell me what you think of his attached claims in this article?

I think Tosaw picked up a lot of ideas for books and projects at the Writer's Workshop at Iowa City. Finding and writing about the planes and lives of lost WWII war heroes is right out of that post-WWII genre at the Workshop - likewise people's fascination with Einstein's personal history at the Writer's Workshop: see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login   One standing issue at the time was whether Einstein's wife, Mileva Maric, had contributed to or even authored some of Einstein's work. Family letters and Einstein's work papers were being examined to look for clues. Tosaw compares himself to Albert Einstein searching for Relativity in three separate interviews stretched out over time. The comparison is personal with Tosaw, but not even remotely valid historically.

Tell me what you think about Tosaw's comment about fishing practices vs Cooper artifacts in the Columbia ?   Keep track of the fact Tosaw is making these remarks in 1988, announcing a shift in his search strategy - eight years! after the Ingram find in 1980. A lot of water has passed 'under the bridge' since 1980 - Tosaw is in catch up mode! He will continue searching clear into the 2000s, Cook joins him in 2005, ... Tosaw dies in 2009 and wills $5000 to Bill Rataczak.
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by 377 on January 16, 2020, 01:03:10 PM »
Tosaw's law practice didn't involve courtroom work. His specialty was finding missing persons, often lost heirs. He had a good reputation in the legal profession for delivering results.

I wasn't aware that he was involved in these other aviation mysteries. but it fits.

Sure wish I had known him personally. With my commercial fishing experience and connections I sure could have helped him improve the design of his dragged snagging gear.

377
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by Bruce A. Smith on January 15, 2020, 06:51:56 PM »
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Anyway... back to DB Cooper. The folks at Minnow Productions in the UK have just told me that their four-hour mega epic on Danny Boy will be airing on HBO in July, and then the BBC shortly thereafter. It features EVERYBODY! It'll be fun to see Jo Weber in her full glory, along with Bobby B, Barb and the gang at Thun Field - in particular the Formans. Not sure about Wolfie or Petey, though.

Jo Weber... *Sigh*

Oy, Marty. C'mon. Ol' Jo is part of our world.... annoying, cruel, maddening, offensive and mind-numbing - YES. But oh, so, colorful.

One warning: don't let her drive when y'all go out for coffee. Just sayin'.

That said, I do like Jo. Oddly, though, I often want to strangle her, but for different reasons at different times. I find her quite pleasant and enjoyable in person, but she is insufferable with wait staff in restaurants. Then I want to leap across the table and strangle her.

But over the phone when she is rambling on for an hour or two, I simply want to slip a bag over her head and walk away. I know that's not very enlightened for a mystical fellow like me, so I am seeking to perfect my abilities of politely ending conversations before anything felonious occurs that might require a phone call to 377...

... as my supervisor at St. Peter's Hospital in Olympia once told me: "Bruce, you need to meditate more."

As you say, Marty, *Sigh.*
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by Bruce A. Smith on January 15, 2020, 06:48:27 PM »
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Have you ever talked to Lars Larson FM101 talk radio … KXLFM101 ?  There was a day when he was hot in the Cooper market. He interviewed a  lot of people. Dont spend too much time communing with the dead!  ;)


Yup, I have spoken several times, and at length with Lars. He is a very narrowly focused Cooperite. He's 100% in on McCoy, basically because he had a very impactful interview with Russ Calame back in the day and sees Norjak through that lens.

However, Lars motivated me to re-read Calame and Rhodes and re-discover McCoy's trip to NC with $6K that came outta nowhere after Thanksgiving, 1971....

As for communing with the dead, what's wrong with that? Some of those folks have a lot to say!

People say Lars was a Cook clone?  If so thats sad.

I wanted to talk with Lars at length about the case, just to tap his knowledge, but I could never nail him down or get him to answer a phone.

All of that was years ago - the case has moved on for some of us, while many people are still obsessed in the past. You cant put new wine in old skins! Old skins rot.

Lars a Cook clone? Hardly. Lars is a resolute, conservative, talk-show host absolutely convinced that McCoy is DBC and has NO interest in discussing any contrary evidence. In stark contrast, Galen Cook is imaginative, expansive, and flexible in his thinking.

Once Upon A Time, Lars was quite chatty with me, as I think he saw me as a possible guest on his show where I could be a convenient foil for his pontification on McCoy. Currently, he barely answers emails.
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by Robert99 on January 15, 2020, 12:35:35 AM »
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Did Tosaw ever find Glenn Miller's plane?          Did Tosaw ever find Einstein's missing letters?        ???

Neither Tosaw nor anyone else has found Glen Miller's airplane.  How do you know that any Einstein letters are missing?

What Einstein letters are you talking about - how do you know Einstein letters are missing?  Please explain to us what the connection between Richard Tosaw and Albert Einstein is ?    :rofl:

Hint:  Milan Popovic.    Hint:    Dord Krstic.       Hint: Hydrology               Hint: Electrodynamics

Keep track of the fact that Tosaw rubbed shoulders with all kinds of people with all kinds of ideas, at the SUI Writer's Workshop. The workshop is a fertile environment for exposure to people's claims and ideas, from a broad cross section of the human experience. (whether people actually know anything about the subject or not!) Tosaw apparently saw himself as an adventurer, a competitor, and a raconteur with things to prove to the world. He apparently wanted to put his personal stamp on something *important.   

The same personality type can be found at DB Cooper forums.  :)

The question is what Einstein letters you are talking about?  You have correctly identified yourself in your last sentence above.
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by Robert99 on January 14, 2020, 11:55:52 PM »
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Did Tosaw ever find Glenn Miller's plane?          Did Tosaw ever find Einstein's missing letters?        ???

Neither Tosaw nor anyone else has found Glen Miller's airplane.  How do you know that any Einstein letters are missing?
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by andrade1812 on January 14, 2020, 06:44:58 PM »
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Anyway... back to DB Cooper. The folks at Minnow Productions in the UK have just told me that their four-hour mega epic on Danny Boy will be airing on HBO in July, and then the BBC shortly thereafter. It features EVERYBODY! It'll be fun to see Jo Weber in her full glory, along with Bobby B, Barb and the gang at Thun Field - in particular the Formans. Not sure about Wolfie or Petey, though.

Jo Weber... *Sigh*
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by georger on January 14, 2020, 04:46:20 PM »
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Bruce wrote: "As for communing with the dead, what's wrong with that? Some of those folks have a lot to say!"

Sometimes I wonder if my world, which is restricted by Newton, Einstein and what I consider to be immutable laws of thermodynamics, is less joyful  than Bruce's which is unfettered by these laws. Sigh...

It would be so nice to tie up NORJAK neatly and declare that McCoy did both skyjacks. The fact that Tina didn't ID him as Cooper is dispositive to me. I do not believe that McCoy was Cooper. If he was, she would have ID'd him. There wasn't a huge time span between the two skyjackings. Her memories would still be pretty fresh.

I see an increasing media interest in DBC as the 50th-anniversary approaches. Hopefully this will flush out some new evidence. Fingers crossed.

377

New people will ask:  did Cooper have an LTR - SDR!  You may be one of them.  :rofl:
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by georger on January 14, 2020, 04:31:25 PM »
NEW! NON PARTISAN.

If Tom will look in his Transcript, socalled, he will find a list of experts the FBI consulted in order to gain perspective on the Tina Bar money find. Palmer etal.

The list as presented is Incomplete. Moreover, Seattle vs Portland offices handled the issue differently. The issue is important insofar as the history of the DB Cooper case is involved. WSHM botched this part of the case also - why I am not sure and wont conjecture about (maybe their resources and perspective was limited). Gray botched the issue. Carr didn't acknowledge or comment about the issue.

Tosaw was aware of the issue and it haunted him. Galen Cook has never said a word about any of this because he doesn't care to know anything about it (its not in his agenda to deal with). Himmelsbach and the Portland office dealt with it because they had no choice. Portland is in Portland - on the Columbia River ! Experts not mentioned in the 'Transcript' sought advice from the pilots, Rataczak in particular! So far, no 302s or notes, have surfaced which mention or document any of this. All of this was handled 'informally', off the record.

Tosaw appears to have been simply too busy juggling his many projects, to respond in February 1980. Raising Nile Kinnick's plane and writing a book about Kinnick, finding and raising Glenn Miller's plane and writing a book about Glenn Miller, .  . etc. More projects being discussed with people in the Writers Workshop at SUI in Iowa City. etc etc etc. Finally, in March 1980 Tosaw contacted a student reporter at the college newspaper to report: "“I have retired. I am now interested in the DB Cooper case. I may write a book about the Cooper case…”  [Daily Iowan interview re- Nile Kinnick plane, March 1980 ] The student reporter contacted his Prof editor who asked - "who is Richard Tosaw!".  ;)

It would be another two years, until Tosaw finally got his act together to launch an actual expedition on the Columbia River at Portland:

1982 Feb – “An attorney from Modesto CA with a taste for adventure is launching a search for the body of 1971 skyjacker D.B. Cooper. Richard Tosaw 56 is offering a $25,000 reward for anyone who can produce Cooper’s remains. Tosaw will be in Vancouver on Thursday to begin organizing a search for the remains … The search is planned for area forests this summer. … Tosaw has created ‘Research Publishing Co.’  to market a book on his search. The preferred title is “I Found DB Cooper” … He has placed classified ads in Northwest papers offering his reward good until July 1, 1982. The Modesto Bee Newspaper confirmed Tosaw is a long-time attorney there with extensive real estate holdings. …”    [Feb 10, 1982 Spokesman-Review Spokane WA]

The world had already passed Tosaw by. Two years is a long time, and Tosaw would regret the lapse ... still looking on the Columbia in 2005-08, according to Galen Cook.
       

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