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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by hannahlili on November 30, 2020, 10:30:45 PM »
i like the new theme a lot, it makes me feel v nostalgic and happy
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DB Cooper / Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Last post by hannahlili on November 30, 2020, 10:29:11 PM »
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That does not answer the two questions I asked.  I do not care if he ever answers or if he takes two years to answer.  It will likely be faster than catching DB Cooper anyway.  Actually I was wondering if a spectrometer is the same device basically and also if they considered whether he worked in the medical field because Titanium, which they say they found on the tie, is used in prosthetics and in surgeries very often.  So he could also have been in a medical facility or a place that was doing research with Titanium.  They started using it on dentistry first, around 1950 but it was already being widely used in medical field when DB Jumped into history

I have a buddy who has been into electronics since we were kids. after telling him some of the elements found on the tie he told me to look in the medical field. several elements are radio active that are found in the medical field. it was ignored when I posted it it several years back.

i found this on google - "For example, technetium-99m is used to diagnose bone, heart or other organ problems. Radioactive iodine is used in imaging the thyroid gland. For therapy, radioactive materials are used to kill cancerous tissue, shrink a tumor or reduce pain. There are three main types of therapy in nuclear medicine."
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DB Cooper / Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Last post by Shutter on November 30, 2020, 05:05:15 PM »
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That does not answer the two questions I asked.  I do not care if he ever answers or if he takes two years to answer.  It will likely be faster than catching DB Cooper anyway.  Actually I was wondering if a spectrometer is the same device basically and also if they considered whether he worked in the medical field because Titanium, which they say they found on the tie, is used in prosthetics and in surgeries very often.  So he could also have been in a medical facility or a place that was doing research with Titanium.  They started using it on dentistry first, around 1950 but it was already being widely used in medical field when DB Jumped into history

I have a buddy who has been into electronics since we were kids. after telling him some of the elements found on the tie he told me to look in the medical field. several elements are radio active that are found in the medical field. it was ignored when I posted it it several years back.
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by Shutter on November 30, 2020, 04:23:19 PM »
I mentioned before of believing the stews would gasp for air if the actual photo was shown to them. I don't know if memory is an issue with PTSD. flashback memory occurs..
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by MEYDC on November 30, 2020, 04:21:29 PM »
I wonder if PTSD would have played a factor for the stewardesses in looking at photos. Could they recognize Cooper if they saw him?
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by Shutter on November 30, 2020, 04:16:56 PM »
Been wondering about the fanning of the bills. will they remain like that or would they end up going back into form after being soaked for a long period. then you have to wonder if this would happen while still in the bag?
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by Shutter on November 30, 2020, 03:59:14 PM »
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Christmas Grinches pressured Shutter to remove the Christmas theme

FJ, try not to be like Blevins and automatically assume the answer. if you read the thread Bruce was also having trouble with reading the format along with a couple PM's. I believe the post area was white before because I changed the color (background color) in the ini file which I don't remember how to do and don't understand at the moment how or why it switched back. I remember this happening the first time I use that theme a lot voiced out due to it being hard to read. the code needs to be changed so it has a white background where you post.

Some have requested the change already. it's just not seen as the default theme unless I take the time to figure out how to change the ini file again.

If anyone else would like the Christmas theme added to there profile just let me know..takes about a minute to add or remove.

FJ, are you saying you would like to see the theme?

Shutter
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by Lynn on November 30, 2020, 03:52:15 PM »
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I hate to rain on  anyone's parade.  I watched the Tena Bar video on You Tube, its just too far fetched for me to believe Cooper would ever have returned there to plant $5k in in the sand?  Why?  If he wanted to prove he made it, he could have put some of the money in circulation immediately.  He did not want to get caught obviously.  I still believe he made it. I wonder if he knew the money was likely recorded early on?  Like when he first laid eyes on it?  Would it have been consecutive numbers or would they have scrambled them?  And it is strange the money was in the bands and did not come apart. 
The letters are the other mystery within a mystery.  The code and Rackstraw?  Well they sure do not believe he was DB, so I don't either
For what it's worth, I have never believed that DB planted the money to fool anyone. But it was a hell of a lot of cash to walk into civilization with eventually without a knapsack. He could not possibly have remained inconspicuous, so unless he had an accomplice or a way to track a vehicle he'd left somewhere (Mannix has informed me such devices did exist, lol, though I'm not sure how practical they'd be to jump with) he'd have to stash the money for a time until the area had cooled off a bit and he could come back for it. (McCoy hid his in a culvert but they caught him before he could retrieve it.)

Some of the money - the bills found - may have been damaged before he could retrieve them, or merely fallen loose from his makeshift money belt while he was still in the air, ending up at Tena Bar god knows how. It's never left my mind, though, that the bills didn't fan as if they'd been in the water there. However they got to Tena Bar, I do not believe they washed up, and the loss of money, which was attached in a makeshift way to Cooper, does not immediately indicate the loss of his life. He may have only gotten away with the crime, not the money. But I think if he'd gotten his knapsack, the money would never have been found at Tina/Tena Bar.

I don't know what to make of the letters but I don't really believe they came from DBC. If the cops were assuming or at least putting the theory around he was likely dead, who would risk arrest stating otherwise? There's nothing in his behaviour on the plane to indicate he was mentally disturbed enough to do that. It would be a stupid thing to do, and he didn't do one stupid thing on that plane.
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by Lynn on November 30, 2020, 03:44:46 PM »
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Thanks, Shutter.

Georger also provided me with some information that he is privy to that puts the pressure bump AFTER the oscillations- perhaps several minutes after.

Bottom line is that the oscillations reported by the crew at around 8:11 ARE NOT the same event as the pressure bump which is assumed to be the time Cooper jump. Thus, one can conclude that Cooper likely jumped some time after 8:12. How long after is uncertain.

Chaucer, regardless of what Georger has told you, the pressure bump took place in connection with the oscillations.  There were probably several small oscillations if Cooper walked down the stairs a couple of steps from their pivot point to throw items such as the briefcase, bomb, etc., out of the aircraft.

But the biggest oscillation of all would occur when Cooper walked down to the bottom of the stairs and jumped.  The pressure bump would then be caused by the stairs slamming shut.  There is no evidence to suggest that the stairs slammed shut more than once.  And Cooper jumping from the bottom of the stairs would cause them to slam shut as plainly shown in the FBI sled tests.

In the You Tube documentary that Shutter has posted above, Rataczak plainly states that when the stairs slammed shut the crew experienced a "pressure bump" (Rataczak's term) in their ears.  There is nothing to suggest that there was a second pressure bump of any kind.  And based on all available evidence, that pressure bump was the result of Cooper jumping.

Georger is just blow smoke and apparently does not have any knowledge or understanding of aerodynamics or flight dynamics.   
Thank you, Robert, for your always clear responses. Nothing really mysterious about the oscillations and it doesn't change the estimate of when the pressure bump happened. One question regarding Victor 23: can we assume, as this is a route suitable for low-level flying, that this section of the PNW has considerable amounts of flat or at least less treacherous terrain? Wouldn't this also increase Cooper's chances of a safe landing, while not guaranteeing it? And wouldn't knowing this is the likely flight path mean that if Cooper were of a survivalist/orienteering ilk, he would only need to get to know that one section (however vast) of the route well, not the entire forested area between points A and B?
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by Shutter on November 30, 2020, 03:43:36 PM »
Look on the Flight Path page. might be the last one or one before that has the documentary on the thread.
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