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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4455 on: December 03, 2019, 11:42:58 PM »
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How high was the "60-feet from the water's edge" money find location above the river water surface level when you recently visited it?

Meyer Louie and I were told a few years ago that the river water level during a typical spring run off could reach to within a few feet of the Tina Bar gate.  Did you notice a railroad tie embedded in the west bank of the containment pond and about 20 feet horizontally from the gate?  The individual that Meyer and I talked to said that he had seen the river water as high as that railroad tie.

The point is that the money find location could easily be under 10 to 20 feet of water during a normal spring run off.

I would estimate that the level of the river when I was there about 10 days ago was approximately 6 feet BELOW the level of the Tena Bar money find spot as it existed in 1980.

I will state unequivocally that the Tina Bar sign almost never has water reach it. Richard Fazio told me that the water reached near the sign one time only in 1996. The water level crested at just over 27 feet. The previous time it reached that level was 40 years earlier in 1956.

The money find spot as it existed in 1980 would almost never be under 10 feet of water. From 1971 to 1980 there were two times--1972 and 1974--where water covered the spot with a few feet of water.

You are stating for all practical purposes that the money find elevation was about the same distance above the river surface as the road adjacent to the very northwest corner of the containment pond.

No, I’d estimate that the money find is a few feet lower than that point.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4456 on: December 04, 2019, 01:54:22 AM »
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You keep noting the high erosion rate at Tena Bar, and at every shoreline along the Columbia. True.

Where does that eroded material go?  That material generally flows north from its original location(s), in the same direction as the flow of the river. No surprise. The dominant force present in the Columbia system is the flow of the river water. No surprise. The river is "a river"! The river flows: from south to north.

The Ingram find was found NORTH of both 1974 dredging spoil sites. In the same direction the river flows.

The river sand does not flow north on or near the beach. Rather, it primarily flows back into the Columbia River channel.

The center of the river is approximately 40 feet deep. The shoreline next to Tena Bar is only a few feet deep as far as 50 feet or so from the water's edge. The river then gets deep quickly as you enter the channel which is nearer the center of the river.

What this means is that the center of the Columbia lumbers along in a northerly direction at a few feet per second. On the other hand, the water near the shore is quite placid. In fact, water movement is unrecognizable near the shoreline until a ship moves by. At those times the action of the water is one that essentially strips beach sand directly into the river.

Anecdotally, I have not seen any activity whereby the river is noticeably moving north close to the beach--unless, of course, a ship goes by or the wind is blowing in that direction.

Therefore, the notion of paper currency self-burying itself 60-feet from the water's edge some 400 feet north of the 1974 dredge spoils is not believable.

Who can argue with the expert!

I sense manifest destiny at work!  :chr2:

*you have made a remarkable number of factual assertions above that need to be checked out - doing so will take some time. I can almost predict that people will laugh about your assertion about money not self burying at Tina Bar. I think this a waste of time but what the hell.  O0   
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4457 on: December 04, 2019, 02:42:37 PM »
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You keep noting the high erosion rate at Tena Bar, and at every shoreline along the Columbia. True.

Where does that eroded material go?  That material generally flows north from its original location(s), in the same direction as the flow of the river. No surprise. The dominant force present in the Columbia system is the flow of the river water. No surprise. The river is "a river"! The river flows: from south to north.

The Ingram find was found NORTH of both 1974 dredging spoil sites. In the same direction the river flows.

The river sand does not flow north on or near the beach. Rather, it primarily flows back into the Columbia River channel.

The center of the river is approximately 40 feet deep. The shoreline next to Tena Bar is only a few feet deep as far as 50 feet or so from the water's edge. The river then gets deep quickly as you enter the channel which is nearer the center of the river.

What this means is that the center of the Columbia lumbers along in a northerly direction at a few feet per second. On the other hand, the water near the shore is quite placid. In fact, water movement is unrecognizable near the shoreline until a ship moves by. At those times the action of the water is one that essentially strips beach sand directly into the river.

Anecdotally, I have not seen any activity whereby the river is noticeably moving north close to the beach--unless, of course, a ship goes by or the wind is blowing in that direction.

Therefore, the notion of paper currency self-burying itself 60-feet from the water's edge some 400 feet north of the 1974 dredge spoils is not believable.

I think you have built a false narrative here. I dont think anyone here wants to have to spend the time unraveling your assertions - you seem to be the latest-greatest and have a lot of social support regardless of the merit of your claims so I see this as a nearly hopeless cause, a kind of social media manifest destiny unfolding, until you are replaced by the next latest-greatest whatever ..... in the DB Cooper Vortex.

1. In your narrative was the Ingram money covered or not when found? I think you have basically suggested it was not covered but just sitting on the top of sand waiting for a small kid to find it? Other reports say under 2-3 inches or sand. T Kaye says: "While scooping out the sand for a fire pit, he uncovered three bundles of decomposed cash." so Kaye's claim is the bills were buried or at least covered with sand. What is your exact claim?

2. You keep using the term "self burying". What do you mean by that phrase?

3. You say the Ingram find was 'a long long long way' from dredging spoils. You say 400 feet! That is a little more than a football field. At the rate of flow you gave for the river (2 fps) 400 feet is only 200 seconds distance. Given that we are talking weeks, months, and possibly years ... 200 seconds is nothing!

4. You say there is no strong or fast current right next to the beach. Bruce Smith says that is not true. He has tried to swim off of Tina Bar. Others including fishermen say the same thing. Who is correct? You or them?

5. As you know there are artifacts buried under the sand at Tina or Tena Bar. How is it these artifacts can and are buried under sand but you say "money is not self burying"?

6. You mention the speed of current at different places in the river off Tina Bar. Have you considered the notion of "force" ... volume of water x velocity?  The Columbia is a  massive river generating a lot of force. It move huge trees or and off sand bars. You leave the impression that water running over Tina Bar has practically no 'force' or velocity associated with it, but then you say erosion at Tina Bar is massive and fast. Isn't that a contradiction in your narratives?   
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4458 on: December 04, 2019, 09:45:15 PM »
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I think you have built a false narrative here. I dont think anyone here wants to have to spend the time unraveling your assertions - you seem to be the latest-greatest and have a lot of social support regardless of the merit of your claims so I see this as a nearly hopeless cause, a kind of social media manifest destiny unfolding, until you are replaced by the next latest-greatest whatever ..... in the DB Cooper Vortex.


I'm not sure where you're coming up with me suggesting that the money was found on the surface.

Also, my observations concerning Tena Bar shouldn't be controversial.

The rest of your questions lend themselves to answers that are self evident.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4459 on: December 04, 2019, 09:53:48 PM »
My experiences with Columbia River currents needs to be kept in context of its location. When I went swimming in 2011, the spot was the "old" discovery spot - just below the Tina Bar sign - and the shoreline into the water was very steep. I was up to my hips with about 3-4 steps into the water. The flow rate was VERY strong, and I was afraid for the currents sweeping me into the shipping channel. I wasn't alone in that concern as the lifeguards at the Frenchman's Bar Park were posted on jet skis about 50 feet from the shoreline to assist swimmers in trouble.

The recent pix from Eric at the "new" discovery spot show a very shallow shoreline. It's easy to assume that the current was much slower than my 2011 experience.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4460 on: December 04, 2019, 10:19:24 PM »
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My experiences with Columbia River currents needs to be kept in context of its location. When I went swimming in 2011, the spot was the "old" discovery spot - just below the Tina Bar sign - and the shoreline into the water was very steep. I was up to my hips with about 3-4 steps into the water. The flow rate was VERY strong, and I was afraid for the currents sweeping me into the shipping channel. I wasn't alone in that concern as the lifeguards at the Frenchman's Bar Park were posted on jet skis about 50 feet from the shoreline to assist swimmers in trouble.

The recent pix from Eric at the "new" discovery spot show a very shallow shoreline. It's easy to assume that the current was much slower than my 2011 experience.

Bruce, the shipping channel, with its 40 foot depth, is very close to the Oregon side of the river in the Tina Bar area.

And as EU has pointed out, it is not at all unusual for the river current adjacent to the shore lines to be "upstream" rather than downstream.  This is simply a factor of the river current acting with the stream boundaries.  It is a common fluid flow event.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4461 on: December 04, 2019, 10:36:40 PM »
As noted on a previous post of mine, I added three new pics from Tena Bar last week at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login .

The very last picture (Image 9) is of the money find spot itself. You can see quite clearly how the water there is very calm.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4462 on: December 04, 2019, 11:40:55 PM »
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I think you have built a false narrative here. I dont think anyone here wants to have to spend the time unraveling your assertions - you seem to be the latest-greatest and have a lot of social support regardless of the merit of your claims so I see this as a nearly hopeless cause, a kind of social media manifest destiny unfolding, until you are replaced by the next latest-greatest whatever ..... in the DB Cooper Vortex.


I'm not sure where you're coming up with me suggesting that the money was found on the surface.

Also, my observations concerning Tena Bar shouldn't be controversial.

The rest of your questions lend themselves to answers that are self evident.

So you arent going to answer the questions.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4463 on: December 04, 2019, 11:43:04 PM »
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My experiences with Columbia River currents needs to be kept in context of its location. When I went swimming in 2011, the spot was the "old" discovery spot - just below the Tina Bar sign - and the shoreline into the water was very steep. I was up to my hips with about 3-4 steps into the water. The flow rate was VERY strong, and I was afraid for the currents sweeping me into the shipping channel. I wasn't alone in that concern as the lifeguards at the Frenchman's Bar Park were posted on jet skis about 50 feet from the shoreline to assist swimmers in trouble.

The recent pix from Eric at the "new" discovery spot show a very shallow shoreline. It's easy to assume that the current was much slower than my 2011 experience.

Fishermen have told me the current is very strong off Tina Bar. Leave it up to Eric to find the one place where there is no current and where objects arent self burying, whatever that means!  :rofl:

I am fast coming to the realisation that the only two true experts on Tina Bar and the Columbia River,  are two guys ... the rest of us are just uninformed and stupid.  :congrats:
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4464 on: December 04, 2019, 11:49:10 PM »
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As noted on a previous post of mine, I added three new pics from Tena Bar last week at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login .

The very last picture (Image 9) is of the money find spot itself. You can see quite clearly how the water there is very calm.

We have been handed a large problem ... where does dredging stuff go except back in the river (gravity) and flow. Since you say there is no "flow" especially north, and no current, then we are left with an enigma.  UFOs.

And since you wont even answer basic questions .............. you might as well be Tom Kaye or Tickets to the Opera@!  :rofl:
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4465 on: December 05, 2019, 12:53:55 AM »
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My experiences with Columbia River currents needs to be kept in context of its location. When I went swimming in 2011, the spot was the "old" discovery spot - just below the Tina Bar sign - and the shoreline into the water was very steep. I was up to my hips with about 3-4 steps into the water. The flow rate was VERY strong, and I was afraid for the currents sweeping me into the shipping channel. I wasn't alone in that concern as the lifeguards at the Frenchman's Bar Park were posted on jet skis about 50 feet from the shoreline to assist swimmers in trouble.

The recent pix from Eric at the "new" discovery spot show a very shallow shoreline. It's easy to assume that the current was much slower than my 2011 experience.

Fishermen have told me the current is very strong off Tina Bar. Leave it up to Eric to find the one place where there is no current and where objects arent self burying, whatever that means!  :rofl:

I am fast coming to the realisation that the only two true experts on Tina Bar and the Columbia River,  are two guys ... the rest of us are just uninformed and stupid.  :congrats:

I have seen any number of pleasure boats stopped in the river off Tina Bar.  They were not anchored to anything and they were not doing any noticeable drifting.

It is almost exactly 100 Columbia River miles from the Portland area to the Pacific Ocean.  And the nominal river surface at Portland is only about five feet above sea level.  This translates to the Columbia River descending about one foot for ever 15 to 20 river miles.

Compare this to the fact that the elevation of Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN is 800 feet above sea level and the Mississippi River miles from there to the Gulf of Mexico is about 800 miles.  That translates to about one foot per river mile.

So the Mississippi River is a raging torrent downstream from Minneapolis-St. Paul compared to the Columbia River downstream from Portland.

If you want to see a really raging torrent, you should visit Phoenix during water releases from the upstream dams on the Gila River.  That water descends about 15 feet per mile during those releases and takes out just about everything in its path including Interstate Highway bridges.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4466 on: December 05, 2019, 04:49:23 PM »
When I was swimmin' in da River, I saw a freighter go by. It looked to be equi-distant between shorelines - WA and OR.

BTW: I didn't think I was swimming in the channel, but I was concerned that I might be swept into it.
 

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« Reply #4467 on: December 05, 2019, 05:24:50 PM »
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When I was swimmin' in da River, I saw a freighter go by. It looked to be equi-distant between shorelines - WA and OR.

BTW: I didn't think I was swimming in the channel, but I was concerned that I might be swept into it.

There is no erosion model for Tina Bar. Palmer didnt provide one and nobody else has either. So since there are calm non-moving waters all around Tina Bar, and Columbia only crawls along, shoreline erosion at Tina Bar is due to the activity of cow mutilators in ufos. Evidently, the ufo people need sand on their home planet.  ;) 

And if someone suddenly provides an erosion model for Tina Bar, it will only apply for a few hours. Two hours later they will only say they never said that! So, there is no erosion model for Tina Bar and there never will be one.   
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« Reply #4468 on: December 05, 2019, 11:42:06 PM »
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When I was swimmin' in da River, I saw a freighter go by. It looked to be equi-distant between shorelines - WA and OR.

BTW: I didn't think I was swimming in the channel, but I was concerned that I might be swept into it.

There is no erosion model for Tina Bar. Palmer didnt provide one and nobody else has either. So since there are calm non-moving waters all around Tina Bar, and Columbia only crawls along, shoreline erosion at Tina Bar is due to the activity of cow mutilators in ufos. Evidently, the ufo people need sand on their home planet.  ;) 

And if someone suddenly provides an erosion model for Tina Bar, it will only apply for a few hours. Two hours later they will only say they never said that! So, there is no erosion model for Tina Bar and there never will be one.

Any new reports of shoreline and sand mutilation at Tina Bar? Have the perps been caught?  :o
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4469 on: December 10, 2019, 05:41:24 PM »
Georger wrote: : "...sand mutilation at Tina Bar?"

The whole baffling case can be explained if we simply accept that it was a special ops exercise by aliens. Maybe even a joint exercise with the CIA.

900 confessions? Easy for aliens using mind control apps.

Those aliens just can't resist doing cattle surgery even though it leaves such obvious clues.

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