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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4665 on: February 17, 2020, 03:21:15 AM »
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New developments!  Fly Jack came up with a second book talking about seasonal variation in the Columbia. This time I was able to dig up the reference they used for that statement and now we actually have some hard data. The attached graph shows the predominant species and what months they found them. Unfortunately they did not seem to sample every month so things are a bit jagged. What this clearly shows is than in Nov and Feb there is zero activity for our A. formosa species of interest. At the peak in July, formosa is dominant (as it is on the bill) but there are other species as well. I BELIEVE I have identified all of the other July species as present on the bill at least to the genera level. I did not find any other species other than these on the bill.  The color was added by me.

So now this info suggests:
The money got wet around July and was then buried.
The money find does NOT support the western flight path
It does not support Cooper digging a hole on the beach on his way out of town.
It brings the dredge theory back into play (but it is still weak in that you can't get bundles intact through a dredge)
It suggests that the money event happened in a displaced time frame from the jump event.

I think this gives us much to think about. Let's try and make some progress instead of arguing with each other.

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The study is good but - maybe 1983 is a good medium.

So are you saying the money had to have been exposed to diatoms for one full yearly cycle,  in the July to Nov 1979 period, to show the collection of genera and conditions shown by Feb 1980 when the money was found. In other words the money was only exposed to water at TBar for one year, 1979ish to Feb 1980?

I am still troubled at the lack of any full bloom (or even partially joined) formosa which would indicate the money was exposed to a full yearly cycle of formosa?   All I see are a lot of broken pieces and parts of old formosa from some previous bloom ?

Let's say the money had been buried deep and finally reached the surface and full water exposure through erosion by say 1979 - leaving one year of diatom exposure?  How could we know if that was the case or not?

*edit>  have you made a count of the total number of diatoms or parts of tom's on that bill, or any percentage of the area of the bill? Any reference to counts per some standard area, in that pdf FJ found? In other words, is our bill within some standard count-exposure average for some defined area... like a cell cytology count ?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4666 on: February 17, 2020, 05:36:12 AM »
New Topic - Packets and paper straps ?

If the money delivered to Cooper was in socalled "packets" secured with paper straps, what was the name of the bank on the paper straps?  How come nobody noticed?
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« Reply #4667 on: February 17, 2020, 05:39:52 AM »
New Topis - Termites ate the money and account for the condition of the money.

Does Tom Kaye agree with FJ's claim? Does Tom Kaye see evidence of termite eating on the money?
 

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« Reply #4668 on: February 18, 2020, 03:50:47 AM »
Given the latest diatom evidence my theory makes the most sense. The money was dropped in a waterway near tbar in the summer of 80 by cooper and washes up there at some point and is found by the Ingrams in February. Flyjack’s termite theory is viable imo, the money could of been sitting near wood or in a wooden chest where termites could of got to it before being removed and dropped somewhere in the Columbia by coop himself. This is also further evidence that I think points to this not being about the money at all. There for most of these suspects or the profile that entailed being desperate for money mula, you can throw  them out the window. We’ve had the wrong profile here folks that’s why the fbi and cooperites alike have never identified him. This was not an act of desperation. Everything known about coopers behavior supports this.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4669 on: February 18, 2020, 11:35:48 AM »
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Given the latest diatom evidence my theory makes the most sense. The money was dropped in a waterway near tbar in the summer of 80 by cooper and washes up there at some point and is found by the Ingrams in February. Flyjack’s termite theory is viable imo, the money could of been sitting near wood or in a wooden chest where termites could of got to it before being removed and dropped somewhere in the Columbia by coop himself. This is also further evidence that I think points to this not being about the money at all. There for most of these suspects or the profile that entailed being desperate for money mula, you can throw  them out the window. We’ve had the wrong profile here folks that’s why the fbi and cooperites alike have never identified him. This was not an act of desperation. Everything known about coopers behavior supports this.

The "summer of 80" won't work since the money was found in mid-February 1980.  Cooper's reactions on getting his hands on the money are documented and indicate that the money was very important to him.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4670 on: February 18, 2020, 01:13:57 PM »
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All,

New developments!  Fly Jack came up with a second book talking about seasonal variation in the Columbia. This time I was able to dig up the reference they used for that statement and now we actually have some hard data. The attached graph shows the predominant species and what months they found them. Unfortunately they did not seem to sample every month so things are a bit jagged. What this clearly shows is than in Nov and Feb there is zero activity for our A. formosa species of interest. At the peak in July, formosa is dominant (as it is on the bill) but there are other species as well. I BELIEVE I have identified all of the other July species as present on the bill at least to the genera level. I did not find any other species other than these on the bill.  The color was added by me.

So now this info suggests:
The money got wet around July and was then buried.
The money find does NOT support the western flight path
It does not support Cooper digging a hole on the beach on his way out of town.
It brings the dredge theory back into play (but it is still weak in that you can't get bundles intact through a dredge)
It suggests that the money event happened in a displaced time frame from the jump event.

I think this gives us much to think about. Let's try and make some progress instead of arguing with each other.

Tom Kaye


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PER TOM KAYE

I sent Tom Kaye an email regarding his comments about the July diatoms and his assertions listed above. Tom responded and asked me to post my argument online. Per Tom’s request, here is the essence of my argument:

I believe Tom’s conclusions regarding the Tena Bar money burial are incorrect, in part, because a July burial simply doesn’t make sense given the evidence.
 
Specifically, one of the things I learned/verified by virtue of identifying the precise money find spot was that it was buried 50-60 feet from the water’s edge. Most importantly the spot was several feet above the mean Columbia River water level from 1971-1980.

This means—and can only mean—that the money being buried dry could only acquire diatoms by virtue of the river water level being exceptionally high in order to reach the point on the beach where the money was buried. There were only TWO such events/opportunities from 1971-1980.

My study of historic water levels for the Columbia River in the Tena Bar area determined that the river actually reached the money on and around June 12, 1972 (17th highest recorded river level), as well as on and around June 22, 1974 (18th highest recorded river level).

Therefore, the diatoms deposited on the bills could only have occurred during one of these two high-water events—in fact, the June 22, 1974 event being the most likely.

Moreover, given that the river level only twice reached the spot where the money was ultimately discovered, there are also only two possible periods that the money could have been naturally deposited and self-buried on Tena Bar—the aforementioned June 12, 1972 and June 22, 1974 events. The problem here, of course, is that the rubber bands could not have survived that long in either case, and paper currency isn’t going to bury itself like a piece of metal for several years.

The three individual packets were buried dry, by a human being shortly after the jump. The diatoms were deposited on the bills on or around June 22, 1974 when the river level actually reached the burial spot. While the diatoms probably couldn’t have migrated more than several inches below the surface of the sand, it appears all but certain that when the money find spot was covered with river water during the late June 1974 high-water event for multiple days that some of these diatoms made their way onto the yet-to-be-discovered Cooper twenties.

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4671 on: February 18, 2020, 03:22:58 PM »
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All,

New developments!  Fly Jack came up with a second book talking about seasonal variation in the Columbia. This time I was able to dig up the reference they used for that statement and now we actually have some hard data. The attached graph shows the predominant species and what months they found them. Unfortunately they did not seem to sample every month so things are a bit jagged. What this clearly shows is than in Nov and Feb there is zero activity for our A. formosa species of interest. At the peak in July, formosa is dominant (as it is on the bill) but there are other species as well. I BELIEVE I have identified all of the other July species as present on the bill at least to the genera level. I did not find any other species other than these on the bill.  The color was added by me.

So now this info suggests:
The money got wet around July and was then buried.
The money find does NOT support the western flight path
It does not support Cooper digging a hole on the beach on his way out of town.
It brings the dredge theory back into play (but it is still weak in that you can't get bundles intact through a dredge)
It suggests that the money event happened in a displaced time frame from the jump event.

I think this gives us much to think about. Let's try and make some progress instead of arguing with each other.

Tom Kaye


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PER TOM KAYE

I sent Tom Kaye an email regarding his comments about the July diatoms and his assertions listed above. Tom responded and asked me to post my argument online. Per Tom’s request, here is the essence of my argument:

I believe Tom’s conclusions regarding the Tena Bar money burial are incorrect, in part, because a July burial simply doesn’t make sense given the evidence.
 
Specifically, one of the things I learned/verified by virtue of identifying the precise money find spot was that it was buried 50-60 feet from the water’s edge. Most importantly the spot was several feet above the mean Columbia River water level from 1971-1980.

This means—and can only mean—that the money being buried dry could only acquire diatoms by virtue of the river water level being exceptionally high in order to reach the point on the beach where the money was buried. There were only TWO such events/opportunities from 1971-1980.

My study of historic water levels for the Columbia River in the Tena Bar area determined that the river actually reached the money on and around June 12, 1972 (17th highest recorded river level), as well as on and around June 22, 1974 (18th highest recorded river level).

Therefore, the diatoms deposited on the bills could only have occurred during one of these two high-water events—in fact, the June 22, 1974 event being the most likely.

Moreover, given that the river level only twice reached the spot where the money was ultimately discovered, there are also only two possible periods that the money could have been naturally deposited and self-buried on Tena Bar—the aforementioned June 12, 1972 and June 22, 1974 events. The problem here, of course, is that the rubber bands could not have survived that long in either case, and paper currency isn’t going to bury itself like a piece of metal for several years.

The three individual packets were buried dry, by a human being shortly after the jump. The diatoms were deposited on the bills on or around June 22, 1974 when the river level actually reached the burial spot. While the diatoms probably couldn’t have migrated more than several inches below the surface of the sand, it appears all but certain that when the money find spot was covered with river water during the late June 1974 high-water event for multiple days that some of these diatoms made their way onto the yet-to-be-discovered Cooper twenties.

I have no idea how you can mind-meld where the money was 'actually found'.

Harold identified where the money was found, a stake was driven, and when the Fazios were brought down one remarked (and repeated ever after including to news media) - 'the money was found on the high tide line'. If true then the money was exposed to river water directly with every high tide.

You say you are friends with the Fazios. Maybe the reason your friends have never told you this is because the Fazio that said it is dead.  :)  When that Fazio was still living he was still telling people the same thing including Larry Carr, Jerry Thomas, etc.

The location of the money find was where Harold and the FBI staked it out!  Since you weren't there I guess that allows you to claim another location. Like the Mormons claim Moroni knew Jesus and had a golden tablet given by an Angel?   ;)

*On the chance Crystal was right and Harold was lying, and photos of Brian were staged, Crystals puts the money find close to the river's edge, which means both Harold's and EU's claims are wrong.

** When the Ingrams found the money they said it was wet.     
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4672 on: February 18, 2020, 03:27:03 PM »
As long as I am here - others have already began collecting diatoms in the yearly research efforts conducted every year along the Columbia .. so Tom may be late to the party.

Two new Cooper projects were started a month ago on the Columbia.

New people are also going to hopefully look at 'anything and everything' on Cooper money, soon. This will involve people never before associated with any Cooper forum or the Vortex, socalled.  Its time for some fresh eyes and attitudes. Proof of this may surface very quickly, we hope. :chr2:

What amazes me is how many instant diatom experts there are - on a moment's notice - in Cooper forums. Pick any subject and experts emerge - instantly - ready to inform and appraise. A viewer of "Gold Dirt" asks: How much is a Cooper diatom worth in the open market?  :-*
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« Reply #4673 on: February 18, 2020, 04:23:24 PM »
As I have said in the past, every theory needs a champion so it can be evaluated by all. Here was my response to Eric:

If it was any other diatom species besides Asterionella you might have an argument. There are actually scientific studies of diatoms in sand and their results show that the sand grains act like boulders against the glass structures of the diatoms. Only the smallest diatoms that can fit in the crevices' of the sand grains can survive intact.  The star like spindles of Asterionella coincidentally make it the most vulnerable of all the genera.

Since we find multiple stems associated in one place on the bill, it shows that it was not random bits that worked their way down through the sand. In fact just last night I found in intact joint between two stems still on the bill. It would be very hard to argue that an intact V structure worked its way through the sand. Even if the money was just slightly below the sand, the movement of the sand grains with the water would destroy the structures.

If the diatoms did work their way through the sand the way you say, they would only show up on the outside bills. We have found diatoms on all the bills I have looked at. So again your theory might be plausible with a different set of diatoms. We lucked out with this particular group since it allows us to constrain the environments they could be found in.  I have CC's Mark on this because I am keeping him in the research loop.

As usual I support peoples different views on this stuff and I think your line of inquiry is very reasonable.  You should probably post it somewhere and I will respond with the above stuff and it can be out in the open for consideration.

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« Reply #4674 on: February 18, 2020, 04:45:16 PM »
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As I have said in the past, every theory needs a champion so it can be evaluated by all. Here was my response to Eric:

If it was any other diatom species besides Asterionella you might have an argument. There are actually scientific studies of diatoms in sand and their results show that the sand grains act like boulders against the glass structures of the diatoms. Only the smallest diatoms that can fit in the crevices' of the sand grains can survive intact.  The star like spindles of Asterionella coincidentally make it the most vulnerable of all the genera.

Since we find multiple stems associated in one place on the bill, it shows that it was not random bits that worked their way down through the sand. In fact just last night I found in intact joint between two stems still on the bill. It would be very hard to argue that an intact V structure worked its way through the sand. Even if the money was just slightly below the sand, the movement of the sand grains with the water would destroy the structures.

If the diatoms did work their way through the sand the way you say, they would only show up on the outside bills. We have found diatoms on all the bills I have looked at. So again your theory might be plausible with a different set of diatoms. We lucked out with this particular group since it allows us to constrain the environments they could be found in.  I have CC's Mark on this because I am keeping him in the research loop.

As usual I support peoples different views on this stuff and I think your line of inquiry is very reasonable.  You should probably post it somewhere and I will respond with the above stuff and it can be out in the open for consideration.

Tom Kaye

How deep can diatoms be found in soil or sand?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4675 on: February 18, 2020, 05:02:24 PM »
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As I have said in the past, every theory needs a champion so it can be evaluated by all. Here was my response to Eric:

If it was any other diatom species besides Asterionella you might have an argument. There are actually scientific studies of diatoms in sand and their results show that the sand grains act like boulders against the glass structures of the diatoms. Only the smallest diatoms that can fit in the crevices' of the sand grains can survive intact.  The star like spindles of Asterionella coincidentally make it the most vulnerable of all the genera.

Since we find multiple stems associated in one place on the bill, it shows that it was not random bits that worked their way down through the sand. In fact just last night I found in intact joint between two stems still on the bill. It would be very hard to argue that an intact V structure worked its way through the sand. Even if the money was just slightly below the sand, the movement of the sand grains with the water would destroy the structures.

If the diatoms did work their way through the sand the way you say, they would only show up on the outside bills. We have found diatoms on all the bills I have looked at. So again your theory might be plausible with a different set of diatoms. We lucked out with this particular group since it allows us to constrain the environments they could be found in.  I have CC's Mark on this because I am keeping him in the research loop.

As usual I support peoples different views on this stuff and I think your line of inquiry is very reasonable.  You should probably post it somewhere and I will respond with the above stuff and it can be out in the open for consideration.

Tom Kaye

If I understand correctly, Tom is asserting that the type of diatom found on 377's bill cannot migrate down through sand, even underwater, because they're too fragile and would shatter. Essentially, we are to believe that immediately below the surface of the sand the sand itself becomes sterile of this type of diatom.

Here is the flaw with that assertion as I see it:

If the money wasn't buried upon Tena Bar via human intervention, it could have only arrived by one other method--via the river and self-buried.

Now, it is well-established that the river only reached a level that could bring the money to its burial spot twice between the night of the skyjacking in 1971 and when the money was found in 1980. Those high-river level periods center around June 12, 1972 and June 22, 1974. That's it.

Okay, it has already been established that among other things, the rubber bands lose their integrity within three months when exposed to the elements. Therefore, the rubber bands could not have survived the 7 months until June 1972 or 31 months until June 1974.

Moreover, the notion of three independent packets self-burying one on top of the other as if they were made of metal and attached by magnetism is also too unbelievable to seriously consider.

But beyond that, the self-burying process itself would be quite violent. Sand-laden water would be whipping the bills back and forth all the while the bills are being pushed further into a watery and sandy grave to lay undisturbed for another 6 or 8 years. How are the diatoms supposed to survive this abrasive process? Why wouldn't the diatoms shatter when being assaulted during this process?

Indeed, my alternative--the only alternative--involves a much more gentle process whereby the diatoms simply migrate down a handful of inches over the course of multiple days as the river crests at a level that saturates the bills. Remember, this only happened twice. Not coincidentally in the month of June both times. In fact, the second time may have actually lasted into the month of July.
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« Reply #4676 on: February 18, 2020, 05:21:46 PM »
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Given the latest diatom evidence my theory makes the most sense. The money was dropped in a waterway near tbar in the summer of 80 by cooper and washes up there at some point and is found by the Ingrams in February. Flyjack’s termite theory is viable imo, the money could of been sitting near wood or in a wooden chest where termites could of got to it before being removed and dropped somewhere in the Columbia by coop himself. This is also further evidence that I think points to this not being about the money at all. There for most of these suspects or the profile that entailed being desperate for money mula, you can throw  them out the window. We’ve had the wrong profile here folks that’s why the fbi and cooperites alike have never identified him. This was not an act of desperation. Everything known about coopers behavior supports this.

The "summer of 80" won't work since the money was found in mid-February 1980.  Cooper's reactions on getting his hands on the money are documented and indicate that the money was very important to him.

Thanks for the correction Robert summer of 79... but Offering Tina a couple bundles would indicate that it wasn’t and so does the latest diatom evidence.
 

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« Reply #4677 on: February 18, 2020, 05:38:39 PM »
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As I have said in the past, every theory needs a champion so it can be evaluated by all. Here was my response to Eric:

If it was any other diatom species besides Asterionella you might have an argument. There are actually scientific studies of diatoms in sand and their results show that the sand grains act like boulders against the glass structures of the diatoms. Only the smallest diatoms that can fit in the crevices' of the sand grains can survive intact.  The star like spindles of Asterionella coincidentally make it the most vulnerable of all the genera.

Since we find multiple stems associated in one place on the bill, it shows that it was not random bits that worked their way down through the sand. In fact just last night I found in intact joint between two stems still on the bill. It would be very hard to argue that an intact V structure worked its way through the sand. Even if the money was just slightly below the sand, the movement of the sand grains with the water would destroy the structures.

If the diatoms did work their way through the sand the way you say, they would only show up on the outside bills. We have found diatoms on all the bills I have looked at. So again your theory might be plausible with a different set of diatoms. We lucked out with this particular group since it allows us to constrain the environments they could be found in.  I have CC's Mark on this because I am keeping him in the research loop.

As usual I support peoples different views on this stuff and I think your line of inquiry is very reasonable.  You should probably post it somewhere and I will respond with the above stuff and it can be out in the open for consideration.

Tom Kaye

If I understand correctly, Tom is asserting that the type of diatom found on 377's bill cannot migrate down through sand, even underwater, because they're too fragile and would shatter. Essentially, we are to believe that immediately below the surface of the sand the sand itself becomes sterile of this type of diatom.

Here is the flaw with that assertion as I see it:

If the money wasn't buried upon Tena Bar via human intervention, it could have only arrived by one other method--via the river and self-buried.

Now, it is well-established that the river only reached a level that could bring the money to its burial spot twice between the night of the skyjacking in 1971 and when the money was found in 1980. Those high-river level periods center around June 12, 1972 and June 22, 1974. That's it.

Okay, it has already been established that among other things, the rubber bands lose their integrity within three months when exposed to the elements. Therefore, the rubber bands could not have survived the 7 months until June 1972 or 31 months until June 1974.

Moreover, the notion of three independent packets self-burying one on top of the other as if they were made of metal and attached by magnetism is also too unbelievable to seriously consider.

But beyond that, the self-burying process itself would be quite violent. Sand-laden water would be whipping the bills back and forth all the while the bills are being pushed further into a watery and sandy grave to lay undisturbed for another 6 or 8 years. How are the diatoms supposed to survive this abrasive process? Why wouldn't the diatoms shatter when being assaulted during this process?

Indeed, my alternative--the only alternative--involves a much more gentle process whereby the diatoms simply migrate down a handful of inches over the course of multiple days as the river crests at a level that saturates the bills. Remember, this only happened twice. Not coincidentally in the month of June both times. In fact, the second time may have actually lasted into the month of July.

So Al Fazio and the agents were lying - the money was not on the high tide line? Are you saying the agents and Fazio are liars?

You can keep ignoring it (me) but the truth aint going away. Its in the public record for those who care to read it!

If diatoms must wait for the two high water periods per decade you cite only - then there would be years with no living diatoms on Tina Bar!  :rofl:

Are you saying there is no rain or snow melt on Tina Bar - ever?

How about sunshine and air?

How does sand get on Tina Bar ... if it waits for high water only twice every decade?

 
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« Reply #4678 on: February 18, 2020, 06:02:07 PM »
Using Occam’s razor the scenario which is more likely then not is cooper depositing the money into the Columbia River in or around July of 79 with the intention of it being found. Eric is married to his western flight path which I never thought had a high probability to begin with but now I think we can pretty much put it to bed. With the latest diatom evidence compiled with the evidence we already have being the rubber bands still in tact, the placard find in castle rock, the testimony of people who lived on victory 23 and heard the plane that night, the sighting on lewis river road of a man walking in all black carrying something and the break in that night at the Heisson store in battle ground fitting the timeline. I see no reason to dispute the FBI DZ any further.
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« Reply #4679 on: February 18, 2020, 06:40:52 PM »
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Using Occam’s razor the scenario which is more likely then not is cooper depositing the money into the Columbia River in or around July of 79 with the intention of it being found. Eric is married to his western flight path which I never thought had a high probability to begin with but now I think we can pretty much put it to bed. With the latest diatom evidence compiled with the evidence we already have being the rubber bands still in tact, the placard find in castle rock, the testimony of people who lived on victory 23 and heard the plane that night, the sighting on lewis river road of a man walking in all black carrying something and the break in that night at the Heisson store in battle ground fitting the timeline. I see no reason to dispute the FBI DZ any further.

Nicky, I would love to hear your explain how in the so-called FBI Flight Path, and it is highly unlikely that the FBI actually prepared that flight path, it is possible for the airliner to fly 3 nautical miles in one minute, 6 nautical miles in the very next minute, and then another 3 nautical miles in the third minute.  Other such nonsense is readily viewable in that flight path.  In fact, an experienced aviator would probably reject the FBI flight path by simple inspection.  That flight path does not make sense - period.

Why would Cooper deposit anything in the Columbia River in July 1979, almost eight full years after the hijacking?  The FBI had not come knocking since the hijacking so for all practical purposes Cooper had gotten away with the hijacking and money.  And what is the probability of anyone finding buried money at Tina Bar in the first place?  You may as well claim that the elder Ingram was Cooper.   
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