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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #45 on: May 20, 2015, 11:53:43 PM »
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Someone says: "Considering DNA can't be guaranteed if it came from the hijacker, finger print should make a better point."

Well the first part is virtually untrue. How you ask?  Do some reading about dna/mtdna analysis.

Yepper comrade!  :)

According to this story on the Oklahoma news, the FBI has a new fingerprint system in place.

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" AFIS on steroids; a fingerprinting system that is three times more accurate than the old one and can also match palm prints, and it's helping solve old cases.

The Next Generation Identification system, or NGI, is a major upgrade to the FBI's fingerprint system...."


After I read the story...I looked here...You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

C'mon FBI...Run the unknown latents from the plane!!!
You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2015, 01:04:06 AM »
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Someone says: "Considering DNA can't be guaranteed if it came from the hijacker, finger print should make a better point."

Well the first part is virtually untrue. How you ask?  Do some reading about dna/mtdna analysis.

Yepper comrade!  :)

According to this story on the Oklahoma news, the FBI has a new fingerprint system in place.

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" AFIS on steroids; a fingerprinting system that is three times more accurate than the old one and can also match palm prints, and it's helping solve old cases.

The Next Generation Identification system, or NGI, is a major upgrade to the FBI's fingerprint system...."


After I read the story...I looked here...You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

C'mon FBI...Run the unknown latents from the plane!!!

+1 ;)
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2015, 07:04:47 AM »
If the show Atlas is trying to promote gets off the ground, it would be a good avenue to possible wake the FBI up if any of them end up watching the program..?
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2015, 03:58:40 PM »
Blevins has recently proclaimed:

THEY replied they wanted to see the video first, and thanked me for making it public at YouTube. After several agents viewed it, they told me to go ahead and send them the printed report, but NOT the Lyle Christiansen DNA stuff. I did as they asked, but included a DVD containing all investigative files created from the start on Kenny and Company, up to the present day.

On top of that, if I have this right, Blev is also saying: Cooper left the tie behind: because he knew any forensic evidence on the tie would point away from him! That includes dna according to Rev. Blevins!  :)

Well, here we go again.

The primary forensic tool in the 1970s was finger print analysis, not dna. There would have been no basis in reality for Mr. Cooper to be concerned about his dna in 1971, any more than he would have been concerned about his Buddhist Assprint in the Fifteenth Dimension! So, Blevins is inventing a straw man once again.

And, it was a well known fact (and still is) that lifting fingerprints off fabric, is a difficult at best.

Moreover, attributing such lofty thinking to Blevin's candidate Kenny Christiansen is a leap of faithe not even The Lofty Rev. Blevins can make, from his his podium in obscurity!  :)

As for the rest of Blevin's 'gobblewobble', ... who can believe anything Mr. Sham-Wow Blevins says?

Mister Blevins should stick to dominoes and tiddlywinks and leave the heavy lifting in the Cooper case to children.

 :-\ :-* :P 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2015, 04:41:08 PM »
It appears that he is trying to keep the story going. if he knew the DNA wasn't any good why did he go through the hoops? if they told him not to give them the DNA, why does he show it as part of his evidence? did he even go into the FBI office? I  said a while back he would use some sort of clause to get around this!!

The best one I liked reading was the bullshit story about bullet fragments in his arm (recently) even though you can spot the bump on his arm from over a year ago. when bullets ricochet it doesn't split up into pieces. the mushroom ball comes at you, but not at the speed of breaking skin (close range or rifle different story). we were testing bulletproof glass at a pawnshop I worked at in the 80's. several times the bullet bounced back just above our heads. this is just another whopper story just like the motorcycle accident...(lies)

He also confesses about how many people really came to his little show at the theater on Auburn Days. he went on and on about packing the house while on the DZ, but now admits only about 50 people showed up out of over 200. 

He is down to one poster over there (public has spoken) and that's his moderator who is supposed to control hatred, name calling, trolling etc. but calls people "scumbag, low life's etc. his "most prolific poster" is now gone. he must of left in "a quick-fast New York hurry"  :) that poster didn't work both sides, he was honest with his opinions. they don't fit in over there.

I don't mind discussing him every once in a while, but he loves to fill his forum up with his hatred, and for a lack of a better word, I'll use his famous word... lies!

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2015, 05:01:07 PM »
Shutter:  I believe DB used airplane cement over his fingerprints so they would not leave any prints behind on the plane. However, I believe this case can be solved by looking at the DNA FROM UNDER THE ENVELOPE FLAPS AND STAMPS ON THE FOUR LETTERS SENT TO THE FOUR NEWSPAPERS JUST FOLOWING NORJAK. AND COMPARING WITH WHAT THE FBI HAS OF SHERIDAN PETERSON, THEY WILL HAVE THEIR MATCH AND THE CASE WILL BE BLOWN WIDE OPEN. So close and simple to do.

PS Kenney C. was only 5ft 8in and too short to be Cooper.

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2015, 07:29:05 PM »
I don't know sailshaw, I'm not sold on the letters coming from Cooper. I would tend to think he would sign them by Dan Cooper...
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #52 on: August 23, 2015, 07:55:14 PM »
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The primary forensic tool in the 1970s was finger print analysis, not dna

Most criminals don't look that far ahead wondering what will get them 40 years down the road. I seriously doubt the FBI is ruling out the tie because it might not be his. they might question if it's his DNA (one of the donors) but I doubt they dismiss the clip due to it possibly not being his.

If this was the case, why did they check DNA on Marla's case, or any other suspect. all of the sudden they stopped when KC comes pulling in?
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2015, 11:31:44 PM »
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The primary forensic tool in the 1970s was finger print analysis, not dna

Most criminals don't look that far ahead wondering what will get them 40 years down the road. I seriously doubt the FBI is ruling out the tie because it might not be his. they might question if it's his DNA (one of the donors) but I doubt they dismiss the clip due to it possibly not being his.

If this was the case, why did they check DNA on Marla's case, or any other suspect. all of the sudden they stopped when KC comes pulling in?

Obviously the FBI has a partial CODIS profile of someone, or some thing!  :)   8)




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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2015, 11:40:31 PM »
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The primary forensic tool in the 1970s was finger print analysis, not dna

Most criminals don't look that far ahead wondering what will get them 40 years down the road. I seriously doubt the FBI is ruling out the tie because it might not be his. they might question if it's his DNA (one of the donors) but I doubt they dismiss the clip due to it possibly not being his.

If this was the case, why did they check DNA on Marla's case, or any other suspect. all of the sudden they stopped when KC comes pulling in?

Obviously the FBI has a partial CODIS profile of someone, or some thing!  :)  Maybe its The Mad Banshee from Ulan Bator or the Wild Man of Borneo who may have a relative at Auburn, WA?  :-* :o


Basically, we dismiss the description, and the DNA....they have there man  ;D ;D ;D ;D he has wrapped this crime up. it's my understanding he will also solve the Cossey murder. personally, I would like to see him on the Hoffa case, and Jack the Ripper. with some luck he can resolve that pesky JFK problem too....maybe even help the Marshal's close the Alcatraz case. he's wasting his talent with two part time jobs when he could be America's cold case crime solver  :D ;) :)
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2015, 11:45:05 PM »
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It appears that he is trying to keep the story going. if he knew the DNA wasn't any good why did he go through the hoops? if they told him not to give them the DNA, why does he show it as part of his evidence? did he even go into the FBI office? I  said a while back he would use some sort of clause to get around this!!

The best one I liked reading was the bullshit story about bullet fragments in his arm (recently) even though you can spot the bump on his arm from over a year ago. when bullets ricochet it doesn't split up into pieces. the mushroom ball comes at you, but not at the speed of breaking skin (close range or rifle different story). we were testing bulletproof glass at a pawnshop I worked at in the 80's. several times the bullet bounced back just above our heads. this is just another whopper story just like the motorcycle accident...(lies)

He also confesses about how many people really came to his little show at the theater on Auburn Days. he went on and on about packing the house while on the DZ, but now admits only about 50 people showed up out of over 200. 

He is down to one poster over there (public has spoken) and that's his moderator who is supposed to control hatred, name calling, trolling etc. but calls people "scumbag, low life's etc. his "most prolific poster" is now gone. he must of left in "a quick-fast New York hurry"  :) that poster didn't work both sides, he was honest with his opinions. they don't fit in over there.

I don't mind discussing him every once in a while, but he loves to fill his forum up with his hatred, and for a lack of a better word, I'll use his famous word... lies!

Robert M Blevins has managed to make a laughing stock out of the City of Auburn, Washington. Auburn now clearly ranks as an educationally deprived gulag where any schmuck can stand up in front of the world and spout total bullshit .... for longer than five micro-seconds!

Congrats to the City of Auburn WA for firmly establishing its seedy underbelly ! 

Maybe we can send a UNESCO mission to Auburn to help those deprived people out!?

Shame on Auburn WA and their homeboy, Robert M. Blevins!  >:(
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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #56 on: August 24, 2015, 12:09:37 AM »
So, what's next, the removal of the partial fingerprints? why didn't they mention that?

1) remove DNA
2) Description probably wrong (shorter guy)
3) Fingerprints are partials...they need to disappear too (possibility of a false hit)

They should be able to narrow it down to people missing that crazy day. if you don't match the description what so ever, and were possibly missing during that time period, you should be in the front of the line as a Cooper suspect. seems logical to me?
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #57 on: August 24, 2015, 01:03:16 AM »
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So, what's next, the removal of the partial fingerprints? why didn't they mention that?

1) remove DNA
2) Description probably wrong (shorter guy)
3) Fingerprints are partials...they need to disappear too (possibility of a false hit)

They should be able to narrow it down to people missing that crazy day. if you don't match the description what so ever, and were possibly missing during that time period, you should be in the front of the line as a Cooper suspect. seems logical to me?

Imho, its pointless to even speculate about any of this, without more credible data from somewhere and the only source that matters would be the FBI - which may never be forthcoming. Even informed speculation is pointless.

One thing is almost dead-certain, however:  in 1971 there were only a handful of people in the USA who had any credible familiarity with the whole subject of human genetics, and dna in particular, such that dna was NOT in the forensic arsenal of any law enforcement agency much less involved in the DB Cooper case until many years after the fact of the crime.

With that factual reality it would have been virtually impossible for Cooper to have based decisions about his tie based on dna, as Blevins contends! That is preposterous. Just one more Blevins 'preposterous posturing'.  It's crazy on it's face and only points once again to how uninformed and unrealistic Mr. Blevins is. It's total nonsense.

Tom Kaye must be laughing his ass off at Blevins' latest theatre of the absurd.

Let's put this issue in broader factual perspective: Cooper left all kinds a of evidence not just his tie! He left his prints on a number of objects in a number of places. He left physical evidence of himself - period. He left his cigarette butts! Cooper left evidence all over the God damned place!@  Whether law enforcement did a good job collecting it, preserving it, and testing it - is a separate matter entirely.

So, Mr. Blevins is just blowing more smoke here. His contentions and conjectures are based on total fiction. Just like everything else he has either said, made up, or lied about.

Cooper did not leave his tie behind as a 'plant' intended to derail investigators, while also leaving other viable evidence of himself. Anything and everything Cooper left behind, whether intentional or otherwise, is evidence of Mr. DB Cooper himself! Who he was, where he has been, et cetera ... all of which goes back to Cooper's personal identity in the world. If law enforcement/investigators screwed that up and failed to arrest an prosecute Cooper, then that is their story to explain.

Case closed.


 

 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #58 on: August 24, 2015, 03:37:40 AM »
CODIS (Combined DNA Index System) is the FBI's program that allows forensic DNA laboratories to create and search databases of DNA profiles. The federal DNA Identification Act of 1994 authorized the FBI to create CODIS and set national standards for forensic DNA testing, 23 years after the DB Cooper Hijacking.
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #59 on: August 24, 2015, 06:23:28 AM »
If Cooper was that careful about leaving evidence behind the butts would have been retrieved as well as the cup he drank from. I'm sure he had no clue that the future could get him with those items. with the exception of the tie, I think that he left with everything he entered the plane with. the notes, briefcase, went out the back of the plane with, or without him at some point in time. when and where seems to be the best evidence yet to be found!

Mr. Blevins claims to give it to you straight from the source? perhaps he's right. it comes straight from him!
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