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« Reply #135 on: December 06, 2015, 05:20:49 PM »
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In the meantime, I will seek the original DZ post by Ckret, continue to clarify the confusion between KING 5 and KIRO 7 TV, and search for other tidbits that might reveal DB Cooper's actual identity.


For everyone's information, WSHM has a file of Ckret's posts on DZ available for downloading in their Cooper files.

Print it out and it will probably save you quite a bit of searching for specific posts as well as enlightening everyone on what Ckret actually posted on DZ.
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #136 on: December 06, 2015, 07:49:01 PM »
This is great. Thanks, R99-
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #137 on: December 06, 2015, 07:56:36 PM »
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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #138 on: December 06, 2015, 11:09:13 PM »
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Superb, Shutt. Thanks.

BTW: Why yellow?
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #139 on: December 06, 2015, 11:23:59 PM »
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Superb, Shutt. Thanks.

BTW: Why yellow?

Because yellow is between Indigo and Infrared.  :-X
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #140 on: December 07, 2015, 12:27:58 AM »
I also noticed that there was a lot of variations on the posts. Heavy in the December 2007 - January 2008 period. Very light after that, and zip past March 2008. Are they at WSHM? In another installment? Another archive?
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #141 on: December 07, 2015, 02:23:37 PM »
For Shutter only:

Shutter, in 2013 you posted the below to DZ saying:

the DNA came from the tie clip, not the tie itself. Carr always had gloves on when presenting the evidence. if not mistaken the clip was taken off early in the investigation and put back on. (Shutter 2013)

Where did you get this about the dna coming from the tie clasp/clip and not the tie itself ?

What was your source for this, back in 2013?

Smith please let Shutter answer for himself. Butt out!

 [edit] Carr never made any posts to DZ that I can find, where he said the tie clasp was the source of the FBI's dna. Larry always spoke about the dna having come off "the tie". And everyone including me followed his lead. Then suddenly in 2013 you surfaced with your post above. Smith followed that up in 2014 posting: "Larry told me epithelial cells from the fingers on the clasp." Sailshaw then began posting the same copy you and Smith. You, Smith, and Sailshaw are the only people to claim the dna came off the tie clasp. Everyone else followed Carr's posted info that the dna came off the tie.

Please clarify what your source was.   
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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #142 on: December 07, 2015, 03:49:24 PM »
The only place I have found this is on Bruce's site "The Mountain News"

my post was made in August, 2013...the article on the Mountain News was done in February of 2013...

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Nevertheless, Carr jumped into the breech and submitted Cooper’s clip-on tie for DNA testing.  Carr told me in 2008 that the Bureau had obtained a “partial” DNA profile using epithelial cells – skin tissue – found on the metal clip.

So far, it appears I got it from reading that article.....

It's possible I thought it was the tie clip...don't know, was a while back.
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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #143 on: December 07, 2015, 04:12:41 PM »
2011, Jo states this....

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The story on the DNA puzzles me because - there were conflicting story. Before we heard it was on the clip and now we hear it is around the top. Why would there not be DNA all over it?
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #144 on: December 07, 2015, 04:14:21 PM »
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The only place I have found this is on Bruce's site "The Mountain News"

my post was made in August, 2013...the article on the Mountain News was done in February of 2013...

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Nevertheless, Carr jumped into the breech and submitted Cooper’s clip-on tie for DNA testing.  Carr told me in 2008 that the Bureau had obtained a “partial” DNA profile using epithelial cells – skin tissue – found on the metal clip.

So far, it appears I got it from reading that article.....

It's possible I thought it was the tie clip...don't know, was a while back.

OK, noted. So Smith is the source of all of this.

Carr never said this on DZ - he always referred to the tie. In fact he spoke of techs looking for stains etc "on the tie". The clasp was never mentioned.

And he states 'epithelial' (skin) cells as opposed to 'dermal' cells (fingers as in touch dna).

The fragments  ;) are beginning to connect. More later -

Thanks.

 
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #145 on: December 07, 2015, 04:18:20 PM »
Sailshaw.....2011

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Farflung: Good thinking about the DNA as that would have not been a concern of DB's as it was not used in those days by the FBI. The DNA from the tie clasp could have been from DB's girl friend that dressed him the morning of the skyjacking. She could have placed the tie clasp in her mouth while putting the clip-on tie in place and then finally placing the tie clasp in place on the tie. DB could have possibly not touched the clasp and it would not have his DNA.
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #146 on: December 07, 2015, 04:18:59 PM »
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2011, Jo states this....

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The story on the DNA puzzles me because - there were conflicting story. Before we heard it was on the clip and now we hear it is around the top. Why would there not be DNA all over it?

Jo has a valid point. Epithelial cells would spread ... dermal less so specific to touch. In any case its the tie and so far not cigarette butts or anything else. And epithelial fragmentary (nonnucleated) dna makes sense vs dermal. The nature of epithelial cells connects better to a partial vs dermal cells, although both usually contain only non-nucleated fragmentary dna strands leading to a partial ....

more later.   must run -
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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #147 on: December 07, 2015, 04:20:54 PM »
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Sailshaw.....2011

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Farflung: Good thinking about the DNA as that would have not been a concern of DB's as it was not used in those days by the FBI. The DNA from the tie clasp could have been from DB's girl friend that dressed him the morning of the skyjacking. She could have placed the tie clasp in her mouth while putting the clip-on tie in place and then finally placing the tie clasp in place on the tie. DB could have possibly not touched the clasp and it would not have his DNA.

Sailshaw is copying from you and Smith. Sailshaw has no source except you guys and the forum.
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #148 on: December 07, 2015, 04:27:14 PM »
Sailshaw posted in July of 2011, I wasn't on the forum until December of 2011...
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #149 on: December 07, 2015, 04:28:17 PM »
Yup. Larry told me that his source for DNA was epithelial cells found on the clip/clasp of the tie. 2008 phone conversation. I probably posted that news on the DZ, circa 2008. It is certainly at the Mountain News in early 2011, and in my book.

I didn't know there was any controversy on this, or any thought that DNA could come from the tie itself. I suppose the tie could NOW be tested for "touch DNA" off the cloth, but that is a recent development. But Larry specifically talks in the DZ posts how DNA can not be retrieved from most cloths, circa 2007-2009. I just read it in the Ckret posts linked to, above.
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