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[Shutter]

Just looking at a potential relationship between the placard location and jump.. 

IMO it is probable the Placard exited the plane when Cooper descended the Airstairs right after talking to crew at about 8:05. So, with some math using the Placard location we might be able to determine a jump point and LZ.

If the Placard exited at 8:05 was found at X and Cooper exited at 8:10, where did he land?

Unless you can prove the time stamps are incorrect, you have zero to go on...they would of known if Cooper started down the stairs at 8:05, 06, 07 etc..no colored light will help this either..they felt the oscillation and reported it, and it wasn't at, or around 8:05..the transcripts would read "8:07, we are getting oscillations in the cabin, he must be doing something with the stairs" end message...nothing implies a time several minutes after his last contact.

The main concern seems to be the difference between the oscillation vs a pressure bump..the other problem seems to be the failure to pinpoint the location..

You always have to go with the known evidence, unless you can prove the evidence inaccurate, or wrong...time stamps are hard to beat..how do you know it left the plane at 8:05?


Is the current going to be the same on the bottom?

[dcmey]

Lewis River upstream to TBAR??

Years ago I looked at this. Hydrologist Fread, DL claimed up to a 106 mi flow reversal on the Columbia River, that would include TBAR..  Lake Merwin > Lewis River > TBAR..  possible?

Topographical charts for the Portland/Vancouver area state that the maximum tidal effect is between 1 and 2 feet.  This is relatively insignificant.

What about flow, Fread suggests Columbia flow reversal upstream beyond TBAR.. can flow reversal move an object from the Lewis River up to TBAR??  Need to find cited papers..

I can attest to the fact that the tidal flow can sometimes reverse upstream of Tina Bar. I have fished and water skied up and down most every mile upstream almost to bonneville dam. The tidal reversal goes up the Willamette river as far as Willamette Falls in Oregon City. For those that aren’t locals, the Willamette flows into the Columbia a short distance from Tina Bar.

Trying to identify the current or tidal affect that placed Cooper money at Tina Bar is about like looking for the asteroid that put life on the Earth. Was it an interstellar asteroid, something within our own solar system, or planted here by the Tidal Masters and Flow Controllers of the Universe who also conducted the Big Bang!? 

Whatever is responsible must account for the morphology of the money find at TBar. Until that is resolved everything else is guesswork.

That money was planted there, not long that long before the people found it to try and make it look like Cooper drowned.

[Shutter]

That money was planted there, not long that long before the people found it to try and make it look like Cooper drowned.

pieces of money were found at different depths..a plant is no longer an option..

[georger]

Just looking at a potential relationship between the placard location and jump.. 

IMO it is probable the Placard exited the plane when Cooper descended the Airstairs right after talking to crew at about 8:05. So, with some math using the Placard location we might be able to determine a jump point and LZ.

If the Placard exited at 8:05 was found at X and Cooper exited at 8:10, where did he land?

Unless you can prove the time stamps are incorrect, you have zero to go on...they would of known if Cooper started down the stairs at 8:05, 06, 07 etc..no colored light will help this either..they felt the oscillation and reported it, and it wasn't at, or around 8:05..the transcripts would read "8:07, we are getting oscillations in the cabin, he must be doing something with the stairs" end message...nothing implies a time several minutes after his last contact.

The main concern seems to be the difference between the oscillation vs a pressure bump..the other problem seems to be the failure to pinpoint the location..

You always have to go with the known evidence, unless you can prove the evidence inaccurate, or wrong...time stamps are hard to beat..how do you know it left the plane at 8:05?


Is the current going to be the same on the bottom?

Quote:

Rataczak added that at no time did he have any direct contact with or talk to or observe the hijacker, so could furnish nothing to the physical description.

Anderson added that no member of the crew went back to check on the presence of the hijacker immediately following the ‘oscillations’ the crew encountered. When the subject let hostess Mucklow go to the cockpit she locked the door behind her.

Anderson added, it had not occurred to them at the time to pinpoint their exact location at the time of the oscillation … 

[377]

That money was planted there, not long that long before the people found it to try and make it look like Cooper drowned.

pieces of money were found at different depths..a plant is no longer an option..

Agree. No plant. That news video was invaluable.

377

[georger]

Lewis River upstream to TBAR??

Years ago I looked at this. Hydrologist Fread, DL claimed up to a 106 mi flow reversal on the Columbia River, that would include TBAR..  Lake Merwin > Lewis River > TBAR..  possible?

Topographical charts for the Portland/Vancouver area state that the maximum tidal effect is between 1 and 2 feet.  This is relatively insignificant.

What about flow, Fread suggests Columbia flow reversal upstream beyond TBAR.. can flow reversal move an object from the Lewis River up to TBAR??  Need to find cited papers..

I can attest to the fact that the tidal flow can sometimes reverse upstream of Tina Bar. I have fished and water skied up and down most every mile upstream almost to bonneville dam. The tidal reversal goes up the Willamette river as far as Willamette Falls in Oregon City. For those that aren’t locals, the Willamette flows into the Columbia a short distance from Tina Bar.

Trying to identify the current or tidal affect that placed Cooper money at Tina Bar is about like looking for the asteroid that put life on the Earth. Was it an interstellar asteroid, something within our own solar system, or planted here by the Tidal Masters and Flow Controllers of the Universe who also conducted the Big Bang!? 

Whatever is responsible must account for the morphology of the money find at TBar. Until that is resolved everything else is guesswork.

That money was planted there, not long that long before the people found it to try and make it look like Cooper drowned.

OK ........ Roger Wilko ................. 

[dcmey]

That money was planted there, not long that long before the people found it to try and make it look like Cooper drowned.

pieces of money were found at different depths..a plant is no longer an option..

I saw a video on youtube suggesting that the money was on top of dredged layers of soil, and they thought that it had been there within a year of it being found. This suggests that it was planted. Do you have more info suggesting that it wasn't planted? I have heard about rumors about fisherman alleging that they found some Cooper money.

[Shutter]

most of us are aware of the person in that video...the video is rather old and new information as come to light...

pieces of money were found at depths of 3 feet...this rules out any chance of a plant..a video with the FBI at Tina bar explain, and show pieces at different depths..

Don't you think it would of been easier having a chute floating around instead of planting money if one was to make it appear they drown?

[Shutter]

The FBI believed Cooper died in the jump for over 3 decades..it would be kind of dumb to shake that theory up, no? others claim the money was planted to tell the FBI he made it...neither make sense to me...

If I did this and was watching the news with them saying they believed I died..I wouldn't do a thing...if I wanted to play with them, I would send them a 20 dollar bill...proof positive....

[Bruce A. Smith]

Good ol' Safecracking. It's been awhile.

[FLYJACK]

Just looking at a potential relationship between the placard location and jump.. 

IMO it is probable the Placard exited the plane when Cooper descended the Airstairs right after talking to crew at about 8:05. So, with some math using the Placard location we might be able to determine a jump point and LZ.

If the Placard exited at 8:05 was found at X and Cooper exited at 8:10, where did he land?

Unless you can prove the time stamps are incorrect, you have zero to go on...they would of known if Cooper started down the stairs at 8:05, 06, 07 etc..no colored light will help this either..they felt the oscillation and reported it, and it wasn't at, or around 8:05..the transcripts would read "8:07, we are getting oscillations in the cabin, he must be doing something with the stairs" end message...nothing implies a time several minutes after his last contact.

The main concern seems to be the difference between the oscillation vs a pressure bump..the other problem seems to be the failure to pinpoint the location..

You always have to go with the known evidence, unless you can prove the evidence inaccurate, or wrong...time stamps are hard to beat..how do you know it left the plane at 8:05?


Is the current going to be the same on the bottom?

First, reasoned assumptions..

Cooper did not descend the Airstairs prior to last conversation with crew as comms are at top. He wouldn't go down and back up.
The placard did not exit the plane until the Airstairs were opened beyond 20 degrees. There is no wind at 20 degrees and the opening is small at the end. That had to be after the last conversation with the crew.



Now, the key is not the timestamp as it is not precise to events, but the time spread between events is more accurate. The timestamp itself is irrelevant, I used the time spread between two events and added it to the location of the plane when the placard left it based on drift and found location.

Take placard find GPS
Adjust for drift = plane location when it exited plane (it just happens to be close to the 8:05 mark on FBI flight path but slightly West)
Take speed of plane x 5 min = Oscillation > where Cooper left plane
Adjust for drift = Cooper LZ

I used 5 minutes time spread but even at 4-7 minutes, the LZ will be close.

[Shutter]

You fail to understand that the crew would have known if Cooper was on the stairs at any point. you can't say when the card left the plane. have you tested this theory? who told you it couldn't get out?

you are going against time stamps, and common knowledge of what occurs when the stairs go down, even partially..

nobody can even prove the card stayed in the same position for 7 years....

[FLYJACK]

You fail to understand that the crew would have known if Cooper was on the stairs at any point. you can't say when the card left the plane. have you tested this theory? who told you it couldn't get out?

you are going against time stamps, and common knowledge of what occurs when the stairs go down, even partially..

nobody can even prove the card stayed in the same position for 7 years....

Where am I going against time stamps? I am not using time stamps, I am using event time spread.

The GPS location of the placard adjusting for drift confirms an 8:05 exit.

[Shutter]

5-10 minutes after the last contact...they never tell how long this lasted. that's why they believe he was on the stairs for a period of time. 4 minutes, is not in the time frame..that's you putting this in place. why not just say, 2 minutes, or 3?

[Shutter]

where was the placard on the stairs...you must know? nobody tested how much wind was on the stairs. it blocks a lot of it, but not all of it..even when the steps are almost up..it wouldn't take much to send it off if it was towards the bottom of the stairs..or if he ripped it off and threw it...


Might as well do like the money and say Cooper planted it?